Sacrifice Cult, quote

[Prak, the Mad]

I didn't want to do this publicly, but I found no ready means to do it privately.

The quote for sacrifice cult, while I'm sure it exists, is wrong. The actual religion of satanism does not perform sacrifice. It admits there is energy in the life force which could be acquired through sacrifice of an animal or person, but considers it feeble when compared to the life force exercised by the practitioner giving himself over to an emotion which resonates with the purpose of a performed ritual, whether anger for destruction, lust for sex, or charity/sorrow for a compassion ritual.

Certainly there are likely individuals who worship the christian entity satan who kill things in a deluded belief that they are sacrificing to perform magic in an attempt to live with them self after killing a being in cold blood. Adherents of the actual religion called satanism, however, believe that animals and children are sacred due their innocence and purity, never harm children, and would only harm animals in self defense or for food. The quote is similar to stories of the fiction of Satanic Ritual Abuse, damaging to a religion of, ultimately, misguided individuals who've grown a thick shell to repel an all to often painful life. I use to use the term my self, thus why I feel the need to explain this and make the following request.

Please, Afforess, find another quote for Sacrifice Cult. There are plenty of religions which do practice sacrifice, you could even quote the story of Cain and Abel. The chosen quote perpetuates a harmful and insulting stereotype.

So as to not make this entirely bad, I truly do like the mod. I had more fun playing Civ today than I have in the past year, at least. I just felt a slight twinge when I heard that quote.

-Prak

 

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Back to topic now.

 

[Prak, the Mad]

First, I doubt the perpetrators of those acts are actually satanists in any real way. Plenty of poorly patented teenagers in america get wasted and kill cats, calling it satanic decisive, but it does not make it so. A person sacrificing something in the name of satan is about as pious as a christian who bombs abortion clinics in the name of god, or decapitates "infidels" in the name of Yahweh. The only difference is that the latter two examples are examples of religious fervour regretably mixed with hatred, where as supposed "satanic sacrifice" is reprehensible monsterdom with a thin veneer of failed attempt at justification.

 

[Afforess]

I did not chose the quote, it's reused from ROM.

 

[Prak, the Mad]

ah, ok, my mistake. Sorry about that.

On a more reasonable note, how easy would it be for me to just go in and change the quote for my game?

 

[Afforess]

Easy. Use a search utility (I recommend NotePad++'s search feature - can search through entire directories on the Text folder and find the text entry. Then edit, and restart the game.

 

[Prak, the Mad]

What's the name of the file with the Tech quotes in it?

 

[vincentz]

What's the name of the file with the Tech quotes in it?

RoM_Civilopedia_Quotes.xml

TXT_KEY_TECH_BLOOD_CULT_QUOTE

I never liked that one either. It just not fit. Rather have a : Arrrggghhh!!! Jack Sparrow

But looked for good quotes and couldnt find any (short) fitting quotes (for my own mod that uses ROM techtree), so please send me a pm with your new suggestion.
It can only be better than :
"In hard core satanic groups they believe the best way to raise the energy are either the sexual act or by murdering something, either an animal or a person...an enormous amount of energy is released...with a human beingthere is even more energy released...if you want to raise the ultimate kind of power you sacrifice someone. The first is the baby as there is a huge amount of life energy, next is the virgin, and finally anybody." - Bill Schnoebelen


Tried to look again : How about

“Whatever you do, make it an offering to me -- the food you eat, the sacrifices you make, the help you give, even your suffering.”Bhagavad Gita

or

“Sacrifice still exists everywhere, and everywhere the elect of each generation suffers for the salvation of the rest.” Henri Frederic Amiel

or

“A good sacrifice is one that is not necessarily sound but leaves your opponent dazed and confused” Nigel Short
(I used this one. N.S. is a grandmaster in chess, so drawing parallel with the game I think its somehow entertaining.)

 

[Arkatakor]

The actual religion of satanism does not perform sacrifice.

This is where I stopped reading. Yes it does. When I visited Rome, I spoke to one of the Catholic Church's most renowned exorcists; He mentioned that satanists there used specific knives for sacrifice rituals (the "victims" were also satanists and in such a state of trance they did not have any qualms about being killed).

Anyway the specifically designed knifes used to kill people in these satanic rituals that have been confiscated by police in Italy and are illegal there as they are used only for that purpose. Its just a shame that these events dont really make mainstream news. News media are always hush hush about religious things, unless its the pope preaching anti contraception.

 

[Prak, the Mad]

This is where I stopped reading. Yes it does. When I visited Rome, I spoke to one of the Catholic Church's most renowned exorcists

This is where I stopped reading. The catholic church, while they do have exorcists, does not frequently perform exorcisms, and thus their most renowned exorcists are likely no longer alive. Furthermore, no. The actual satanic church does not perform sacrifices. Cults which worship satan, and are thus technically christian sub-cults, perhaps, but those are exceedingly rare, and there is no actual evidence of any real, large spread cult of people who worship anything called satan. And sorry, but I trust a law enforcement agency (the FBI) over people who make their money by scaring people with bogeymonster stories (the church).

 

[bill2505]

This is where I stopped reading. The catholic church, while they do have exorcists, does not frequently perform exorcisms, and thus their most renowned exorcists are likely no longer alive. Furthermore, no. The actual satanic church does not perform sacrifices. Cults which worship satan, and are thus technically christian sub-cults, perhaps, but those are exceedingly rare, and there is no actual evidence of any real, large spread cult of people who worship anything called satan. And sorry, but I trust a law enforcement agency (the FBI) over people who make their money by scaring people with bogeymonster stories (the church).

the reason i get mad with this guy is becose he things that this <<religion>> ,sect or whattever is the actuall satanic church
and when someone speaks about this matters refers to them

 

[Prak, the Mad]

the reason i get mad with this guy is becose he things that this <<religion>> ,sect or whattever is the actuall satanic church
and when someone speaks about this matters refers to them

Well that's the only satanic organized religion that exists

 

[Afforess]

Please stop - everyone. How to change the text has been posted. I will attempt to get a mod to close it if negative discussion continues.

The actual satanic church does not perform sacrifices

How would you know tha... no, rather, don't tell me. Ignorance is bliss.

 

[Prak, the Mad]

I'm going to try to resist further urges towards satanic apologetics, .

Afforess: there is an actual church of Satan, founded in the late sixties by Anton LaVey, who wrote a book, the Satanic Bible. It actually condemns sacrifice in preference of the life energy produced by strong emotion, ideally an emotion in resonance with the purpose of the ritual performed, as it flows unchecked from the ritualist.

 

[bill2505]

I'm going to try to resist further urges towards satanic apologetics, .

Afforess: there is an actual church of Satan, founded in the late sixties by Anton LaVey, who wrote a book, the Satanic Bible. It actually condemns sacrifice in preference of the life energy produced by strong emotion, ideally an emotion in resonance with the purpose of the ritual performed, as it flows unchecked from the ritualist.

xaxaxa

 

[Prak, the Mad]

I have a fun idea, Bill, how about you tell us your religion so we can laugh at what you believe for a change?

Every damned thing I've said in this thread is true.

 

[bill2505]

I have a fun idea, Bill, how about you tell us your religion so we can laugh at what you believe for a change?

Every damned thing I've said in this thread is true.

i dont laught with your religion (at least not on this forum)
i laught when the people like you something so much old like christianity(and satanism) you claim it yours .cristianity along with the satan figure is 2000 old more or less and an small organization like yours claim something big like that . its like i create a <<church>> with 40000 people and i call it the true church specially when something more old and influential exists like the orthodox or catholic church

 

[youmakemefart]

could someone please delete this thread?

 

[Prak, the Mad]

i dont laught with your religion (at least not on this forum)
i laught when the people like you something so much old like christianity(and satanism) you claim it yours .cristianity along with the satan figure is 2000 old more or less and an small organization like yours claim something big like that . its like i create a <<church>> with 40000 people and i call it the true church specially when something more old and influential exists like the orthodox or catholic church

Yes, the christian theology is roughly 2000 years old, and the figure of satan quite a bit older. Prior to LaVey's Church of Satan, however, there was no organized satan worshipping religion. There aren't even satanic cults. At worst, there are individual lunatics worshipping a fictional character. Saying Satanists perform sacrifices is akin to saying that christians blow up hospitals that perform abortions. Which is to say, technically accurate*, but misleading


*though there is yet to be any real evidence that any sacrifices have ever been performed to worship satan. "Satan told me to" murderers not withstanding.

could someone please delete this thread?

How about moving the "Satanic Sacrifices" part, is there an off topic board?

 

[bill2505]

Yes, the christian theology is roughly 2000 years old, and the figure of satan quite a bit older. Prior to LaVey's Church of Satan, however, there was no organized satan worshipping religion. There aren't even satanic cults. At worst, there are individual lunatics worshipping a fictional character. Saying Satanists perform sacrifices is akin to saying that christians blow up hospitals that perform abortions. Which is to say, technically accurate*, but misleading


*though there is yet to be any real evidence that any sacrifices have ever been performed to worship satan. "Satan told me to" murderers not withstanding.


How about moving the "Satanic Sacrifices" part, is there an off topic board?

yeah yeah whatever