SCENARIO: High Middle Ages

[Ozymandias]

Originally posted by Trip
The game for small states is EU2, not Civ.

If you're playing, say, France, then it would be a piece of cake to suck up the entire HRE. I want to keep the permanent alliances in this game to a minimum.

If you're playing France you're surrounded by English on the Continent, the HRE, Aragon & Navarre, and Provence-Barcelona.

-Oz

 

[Xen]

I dont have EU2- so there

 

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by ozymandias


If you're playing France you're surrounded by English on the Continent, the HRE, Aragon & Navarre, and Provence-Barcelona.

-Oz

And knowing the Civ 3 AI, you could probably get them all to ally with you against the 1-civ minor you're trying to take over with hardly a bead of sweat...

 

[Cuivienen]

A bit more on Genoa -- Genoa controlled the Crimea and much of the northern Baltic coast for much of the Middle Ages. Just a little-known fact.

 

[Johann MacLeod]

what years are this scenaario? because i just updated mine which starts in 1160.

 

[Ozymandias]

Originally posted by Johann MacLeod
what years are this scenaario? because i just updated mine which starts in 1160.

My own starts in 1171 CE and goes to 2050.

 

[Jon Shafer]

I was thinking of starting things just after the successes of the Crusades (1100 AD), but I'm not entirely sure yet.

On vacation now, work is somewhat temporarily paused, will resume work on Sunday.

 

[Gladi]

Bright day Trip
Bohemian advocate here. Kingdom of Bohemia might have been part of Holy Roman Empire but that HRE was not HRE of Ottonian Emperors or Barbarossa. Premyslids ruled already large country and in 13th century they expanded considerably. Though few gains were pernamnet for Kingdom just as Chebsko and Zitavsko, most gains Premyslids and later dynasties secured were lost as Silesia 1329-1750, Lusatia 1200-1220/1319-1478/1490-1635, Beandenburg 1372-1415, Austria 1251-1276, Falz 1353-1373, Carinthia 1269-1276, Kladsko 10th century to 1750.
May all your dasy be bright.

 

[Xen]

a question- first off, I think I convinced aaglo to make some "what if" units from leonardo Di Vincis many weapon designs, such as the ever fmous tank, and glider (well the glider wasnt a weapon, but it could be utilized as one)- so is there any chance tha th esuper weapons of the itallian renaissance will come into play at the very end of the scenario?

 

[tavi_the_dacian]

You may want to include some form of representing the Mongol invasion of the 1240's. Russian principalities were continuously struggling against states such as the Golden Horde until the late 1500's. The Mongols also invaded and devastated Poland, Lithuania, Hungary, and even fought with the Teuton Knights. To represent them, you may want to give them a couple of cities between the Ural mountains and the Caspian Sea, as well as a tech tree only they can access. The tech tree should be short and result in an UU based on the Keshik. Make it relatively cheap, requiring only horses, give them some bombard power to represent mounted archers and very fast. This way, the mongol kingdom would grow in importance quite qucikly once they acquire this unit. However, you should make them completely technologically backwards otherwise and lacking in culture, so they have great problems in a) keeping citizens happy; b) making money; c) doing scientific research. Thus, while very dangerous, they can eventually succumb to more advanced civs.
I suggest calling them The Golden Horde, making the UU 4/1/3 (3)
, cost 40 shields, require horses only (these stats would make sense in the epic game).

 

[JazzToucan]

While I love the idea of tons of civs from a historical perspective, from a pragmatic standpoint it can make gameplay mindnumbingly slow and drag on. The Middle Ages scenario in Conquests is a perfect example.

While it's one of my favorites, the load times between turns can take quite a bit even when you don't animate the AI moves. I'm not saying you should remove any civs or consolidate, but just consider it when it comes down to playability.

 

[music_theory7]

hmmm...I wonder how this will compare with the Renaissance one. That one is really good. I just reccommend copying EU2 since it will then be good no matter what happens. Be sure to include Siena, Tuscany, Papal States, Milan, Geona, Venice and Lucca. yup those italian minor states are interesting

 

[Red Threat]

Hmm... I like the basic idea of this "scenario improvement", and I think the same about the original Middle Ages' Conquest. but, whi don't creat a

BIG HIGH MIDDLE AGES SCENARIO

with the asian civs (using, for example, the "old World" map)?!

 

[The Last Conformist]

A bit more on Genoa -- Genoa controlled the Crimea and much of the northern Baltic coast for much of the Middle Ages. Just a little-known fact.

Baltic coast? Do you mean Black Sea coast?

 

[Ozymandias]

A bit more on Genoa -- Genoa controlled the Crimea and much of the northern Baltic coast for much of the Middle Ages. Just a little-known fact.

Ah, but when? -- The Crimea was Byzantine territory (or that of its successor state, the Empire of Trebizond) until overrun by the Mongols ca 1230 CE -- Yes, when Genoa became a French protectorate ca. 1400, Genoa did indeed control part of the Crimea until the Ottoman Turks took it away by ca. 1480. So we're talking about less than a century, not "much of the Middle Ages" -- Oh and I presume as well that you mean "Black Sea" not Baltic.

-Oz