Scenario Preview: 2nd American Civil War

Okaaaaayyyy...Let's try to go and get back on topic. Sims, my dad was stationed in San Fran before I was born, so I wouldn't know...
Now, let's try to get back on topic...sims, if there is anything I can help with, I'm good with civpedia text.
 
Originally posted by Wyrmshadow
Haha, very good Thorgrimm. Frankly from the very onset of this thread, and coming off the heels of a very inflamatory OT thread.. I just saw this as sims way of fullfilling a fantasy of punishing the South in any way he can.

my parents are from Texas, so i don't hate the South. i hate the former Confederacy.
 
I do feel that Texas and the CSA are gettin screwed over on the military, economy, and thier governments.
 
Umm...Shouldn't the Confederate States of America in this scenario be a confedracy?;)
 
true. i'll change their form of government.
 
Vermont should be its own Nation!

http://www.angelfire.com/vt/republicvt/

http://www.ci-n.com/vra/

The Vermont Republican Army

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In 1777, Vermont declared her independence from Britain, ratified her own Constitution (which was nearly 100 years ahead of the U.S. Constitution in outlawing slavery), and became an independent Republic. Fourteen years later, in 1791, Vermont made what may be the biggest mistake in her history by joining the United States.

Since that fateful day 200 years ago, Vermont's history has been one of increasing oppression by the federal government. They tax us, they bully us, they tell us how we must live, and all the while, they send thousands of tourists who are amazed how we do live and how we have avoided the trap of forgetting about life in the drive for bigger, better, faster, more. And the irony of that is those tourists end up destroying what they come to see. Have you visited rustic Stowe lately? How about lovely, scenic Manchester Center? You can't chuck a snowball in either of those towns without hitting a flatlander there to gawk at the Vermonters.

VRA proposes to rectify that mistake, to reclaim our future from the flatlanders. In short, we propose that Vermont secede from the Union and reclaim her rightful heritage as an independent republic. We were free once, we can be free again.

We're not fools. We remember very well what happened last time a state seceded from the Union. Vermont did more than any other state in the Union to win that war. We sent more of our young men per capita to fight and die in that war than any other state. And we fought well. It was the 14th Vermont Brigade that flanked and broke Pickett's charge, winning the Battle of Gettysburg for the Union and turning the tide of the Civil War. But don't be fooled into believing that we fought that war to preserve the Union, or because we didn't believe in states' rights. We fought that war to end slavery.

Remember Vermont's Constitution. Remember that it was a Vermont judge that demanded "a bill of sale from the Almighty" before he would return an fugitive slave to his erstwhile master. Where is that bill of sale now, when we are being sold acre by acre, mountain by mountain, to the flatlanders?

A couple years ago, this was something that was actually getting quite a following. There were people going around to all the town meetings across the state and giving speeches and alot of people were agreeing. :p

Also, Quebec and Canada should be in there as seperate nations, don't ya think?

Maybe I'll do a scenario where you can be Ethan Allen and have the UU of a Green Mountain Boy. :)
 
Originally posted by Owain
Vermont should be its own Nation!

http://www.angelfire.com/vt/republicvt/

http://www.ci-n.com/vra/



A couple years ago, this was something that was actually getting quite a following. There were people going around to all the town meetings across the state and giving speeches and alot of people were agreeing. :p

Also, Quebec and Canada should be in there as seperate nations, don't ya think?

Maybe I'll do a scenario where you can be Ethan Allen and have the UU of a Green Mountain Boy. :)
ha ha ha ha ha ha this is a good one!,this thing made my day!
 
Vermont being it's own nation...Well, would it be realistically a competitive civ?
 
Porbably not, it would be overrun by the despised flatlanders.:D
 
Yes...Kill the flatlanders!!!....Wait...What am I saying? I am a flatlander!
 
Originally posted by Thorgrimm
For those who do not know as per the CONSTITUTION of the UNITED STATES the Secretary of State is third in command, and all the actions i have described are supported by the constitution.

Actually the Secretary of State is the fifth in the line of succession, if that's what you mean. No chain of command is given in the constitution other than that the President is the Commander in Chief. Avoiding a hierarchy throughout the whole government is what separation of powers is all about.

Anyway, both the Speaker of the House and the President Pro Tem of the Senate come before the Secretary of State in succession.
 
JamesKirk you are absolutely right and i stand corrected. But the premise is still sound.
 
Umm...It's a joke...Vermont pplz live in the highlands...Whereas I on the east coast live in the flatlands...
 
yall are cold...yall really are.

For civ purposes though I think Vermont is a bit small to be its own nation.

and Owain, Vermont isnt the only state that governed itself... Texas also had its own nation for alot longer than Vermont.... as for the term flatlanders....ur not gonna get much outside support using that term for the rest of the states even if some of us do support the idea that states have the right to secede (i dont care wut that tyrant Lincoln said in the war).
 
Well then Bobby Lee the people of Texas should never have voted for the Articles of Annexation when proposed by the United States.

"As for what that" tyrant" Lincoln said" He was just enforcing the Constitution.

Article 1, Section 8, Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the laws of the Union, supress insurrections and repel invasions. I think you would agree that by definition secession is equal to insurrection. By the way Texas did not ratify the thirteenth and fourteenth amendments to the constitution until February 18, 1870. Which were the abolition of slavery and due process of law.
 
Originally posted by Bobby Lee
yall are cold...yall really are.

For civ purposes though I think Vermont is a bit small to be its own nation.

and Owain, Vermont isnt the only state that governed itself... Texas also had its own nation for alot longer than Vermont.... as for the term flatlanders....ur not gonna get much outside support using that term for the rest of the states even if some of us do support the idea that states have the right to secede (i dont care wut that tyrant Lincoln said in the war).


I just wanna be clear, that I don't support this idea... I just pulled it from a site and thought some people might appreciate it. ;)

Vermonters call out-of-staters "flatlanders"... Its just a local term. This was written by a Vermonter, for Vermonters. He's not looking for the support of anyone but other Vermonters. At this point though, I'd say flatlanders probably outnumber "real" Vermonters anyway. Vermont has been colonized and culturally-dilluted by suburban-minded flatlanders (not that thats an all-around bad thing, mind you).

There's alot of severe Libertarians in this area (Vermont and New Hampshire specifically) who want nothing to do with the US Government. Probably not enough to actually ever seceed though. :D

btw, Ethan Allen invaded Montreal during the period that Vermont was its own Republic. He was captured and held for a year. :D When Vermont joined the original 13 states it was forced to pay New York $30,000 in repairations and return all the counties that had been annexed by Vermont.


Anyway, I'm not really serious. This mod looks great as it is and I'm looking forward to it. I think I will start working on a scenario for The Republic of Vermont though. I think it could be pretty fun. :) Something just makes me laugh when I think about Vermont annexing territroy from New York and New Hampshire and invading Montreal. :lol:
 
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BTW, Bobby Lee, I believe the quote "Artillery lends dignity to what would otherwise be a vulgar brawl" was by Frederick the Great.
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@ Marine Corps- no i have a copy on my desk in a folder named the most important documents created by man. Along with the declaration of independence, the magna carta,code du Napoleon, the code of Hammurabi Martin luther's 95 points and the origin of species by Charles Darwin. If you can think of anymore i would be willing to add them to my collection.
 
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