Scenario Project: The Persian Empire

[Louis XXIV]

I can't find it either. I thought he posted it in the Peleponnesian War thread (but I must have missed it while scrolling through 40 pages )

 

[mitsho]

@yoda, I thought, some arab tribes were 'raiders' in that time.
But, ok, it could be wrong! (Did Sanaa already exist in that time?)

mfG mitsho

 

[Yoda Power]

Ok I better make a little status report.

So far these are the civs that I have decided to include:

Persia
Media
Babylonia
Lydia
Athenian Alliance
Spartan Alliance
Independent Greeks
Macedon
Egypt
Saka
India
Thrace(im considdering replacing them with barbarians)

First the plan was to make Persia the only playable nation, but im reconsiddering. So I decided to make the Athenian Alliance and Spartan Alliance playable, aswell as Macedon and Babylonia.

BTW, I have startet placing cities.

BTW2, all Greek and Macodonian offencive units will have the amphibious ability.

 

[Yoda Power]

I have run into a problem, cities. I simply cany find enough cities for Persia. So I presume there wasn't any cities, maybe I could use something like tribes instead?? In that case I need help for i cant find any tribes from the Persia area either

 

[mitsho]

Sorry, can't help, but can you explain me, which colour is which civ? I don't have in my mind that moment, what dark green is? red is persia (or dark red?). I'm sorry.

mfG mitsho

 

[Yoda Power]

oh yeah sorry.

Yellow-Egypt
Dark Green-Babylon
Dark Blue-Spata
Blue-Athens
Light Blue-Independent Greeks
Light Green-Macedon
Red-Media
Dark Red-Persia
Orange-Saka
Brown-India

 

[mitsho]

and purple is Lydia, right?
I wonder, if you should include a one city civ between Lydia and Babylon. It was heavy populated, I think?

but it looks awesome.. .

mfG mitsho

 

[Yoda Power]

Yes Lydia is purple.

I assume you mean Cilicia, it will be Median

 

[Xen]

@yoda- if you want cites in the area you need from the Parthian era, I can have a map for you, the problem is, that those cites are from the parthian era, and not the Acheamaenid Persians...

 

[Yoda Power]

Xen-Its the same problem I run into all the time, theres plenty of maps showing cities in Persia, but they are all pro-Achaemenid

 

[LouLong]

As a side note on Persian gulf people, here is an extract from Polybius (13th book, unfortunately incomplete). Herodote would be more useful for your period but I don't think their names had changed that much in-between anyway.


"Chattenia in the Persian Gulf is the third district belonging to the Gerraeans. It is a poor district in other respects, but villages and towers have been established in it for the convenience of the Gerraeans who cultivate it. . . .
The Gerraeans begged the king not to abolish the gifts the gods had bestowed on them, perpetual peace and freedom. The king, when the letter had been interpreted to him, said that he granted their request. . . .
When their freedom had been established, the Gerraeans passed a decree honouring Antiochus with the gift of five hundred talents of silver, a thousand talents of frankincense, and two hundred talents of the so-called "stacte". He then sailed to the island of Tylus and left for Seleucia. The spices were from the Persian Gulf. "

 

[Yoda Power]

eh Lou its a nice text, but I dont really see how it can be usefull for me, could you enlighten me?

 

[LouLong]

I might add some cities for you but the easiest way would be by putting the map here so that I put them directly on the map. Don't expect anything great for the salty desert though, the area is mostly empty.

AFAIC, I would have added an independant Armenia and Caria and Cilicia that were semi-autonomous, even under the Aechemenids under the Hetacomnids (Mausolos, Caria), and the Syennecids (Cilicia). Of course these were not mostly city-based as the Greeks.
Thracia should be on both sides of the Bosphorus, I think you made Lydia go too much north (into Bythinia). Do you think you could create an Ephtalite (white huns) civ with just one small city in a distant, remote and isolated (by impassable mountains) with only one wonder to create that would spawn lots of horse archers (ignoring mountains malus ?) for a few turns to represent their invasion in more or less 400 BC.

 

[LouLong]

Originally posted by Yoda Power
eh Lou its a nice text, but I dont really see how it can be usefull for me, could you enlighten me?

I just thought Gerraeans could be made a kind of civ with trading posts from Oman, Bahrein to Southern Babylonia and the Persian coast, controlling the incense resource but weak since little population and scattered cities ?

 

[Yoda Power]

here it is

remember cities can only be on grassland and flood plain, so just change the terrain.

 

[Yoda Power]

Originally posted by LouLong


I just thought Gerraeans could be made a kind of civ with trading posts from Oman, Bahrein to Southern Babylonia and the Persian coast, controlling the incense resource but weak since little population and scattered cities ?

That could be a possibility, we discussed it before and decided to keep Oman as uncivilized land(but with change of colonization).

 

[LouLong]

Originally posted by mitsho
@yoda, I thought, some arab tribes were 'raiders' in that time.
But, ok, it could be wrong! (Did Sanaa already exist in that time?)

mfG mitsho

Yemen indeed existed, a long time before as well. The queen of Saba in the Bible comes from there. This kingdom between Arabian peninsula mountains and the sea received a fair share of rainfall, hence the establishment of population and the name given to that area (Hadramawt = happy Arabia). The trade from the Indian ocean as well as production of different incenses (myrrh,...) contributed to the wealth of the kindom.

Don't know if Sanaa was already built under that name though.
Anyway this area is not on the map.

The rest of Arabia could definitely be empty (civs) with wandering nomads/raiders threatening all settled civs.

 

[Yoda Power]

Well Yemen/Sanaa isn't on the map so it doesn't really matter. I would like to reserve the barbs for the Scythians only, for two reasons:

1. The Scythians were defiently the "greatest" barbarians by that time.

2. For the gaming purpose I can name all the barbs "Scythians", it would look weird if a Scythian camp poped up in the arabian desert.

BTW Merry Christmas:santa:

 

[LouLong]

Here it is, some cities (not too many) added or corrected (I believe ?) (place/name). Actually I had some pbs with your cities and terrain from Kabul to Gazni, Taxila, etc...

What I changed is in yellow (easy to spot) and of course you are free to change, adapt or reject everything you want . The cities I added in Persia are from the Achemenid era except for two (Neh, Jiruft) that are more from the Parthian era but probably existed as a smaller settlement before that. Your choice

 

[Yoda Power]

You placed Persepolis wrong, its should be south of Pasargadae, also you have to build this city yourself when playing

All the maps Ive seen shows Ninive on the eastern side of the river, so I will keep it there. I dont understand why I didn't add Arbela in the first place when I see you map.

Xanthus seems fine, it should be independent greek right?

Thanks for the Iranian cities, and for removing Nad-i Ali, I had my doubts if that city really existed by that time.

Sorry if you had a problem with the terrain, I accidently made Iran go a bit too far east, resulting in a tight up Afghanistan.

BTW didn't you wonder why I have a city called North?