Scotland as a Nation? - Your Opinion.

[Hazzard]

"And we always win, because we have so many willing helpers!"

You have not won in many years - - - especially as a Scot. You do not understand the term “winning.” And Europe's historical grave is being dug by its helpers - - and what about Russian or Chinese domination? Sound good to you? I know it does, anything to beat the Americans. You silly person - - -

"Did I mention god does not exist?"

What does God have to do with your sick deal with the devils? Remember, the Chinese love white meat as do the Russians.

"Still, the factory may privatise one day!"

You have no problem with the king owning everything, do you?

"Globally, things were a tad different in 500AD"

An ancient nation's collapse brought the known world in the Dark Ages. In history, there have only been two Hyperpowers - - the Romans and the Americans. The fall of England and France were only minor interruptions - - they were nothing in the end. I bet if you ask the Chinese and the Russians what I'm talking about they would quickly fudge the truth as you have.

"Nope, that reek is just the evil Euro-haggis!"

No, they would say the Scots have always licked the boot of the English.

"And you forget, without we nasty Euros, your vaunted US 'hyperpower' would still be a giant wildlife park."

Wouldn't you feel better if it were an English Wildlife Park? Maybe not, you are a Scot - - -

"So, the UK was forced into NATO?"

We didn't hold a German gun to their head, but yes, they were forced by circumstance.

 

[Hazzard]

"And we always win, because we have so many willing helpers!"

Oh, are you saying we're at war? With our bitter European cousins! I always heard around here that we were friends and that we LOVE each other. But it isn't true, is it? The empires you long far are not distant memories, are they? Do you honestly believe the Chinese and Russians will help you regain them? It is for this reason Europe cannot be taken seriously - -

 

[CurtSibling]

You have not won in many years - - - especially as a Scot. You do not understand the term “winning.” And Europe's historical grave is being dug by its helpers - -

When the last McDonalds sign has eroded to rust, Europe will stand tall still - you know this!

and what about Russian or Chinese domination? Sound good to you? I know it does, anything to beat the Americans. You silly person - - -

There will be no great fall for the USA - just a painless transition to another type of nation.

The 2nd class seats are reserved - It is the way of history...

What does God have to do with your sick deal with the devils? Remember, the Chinese love white meat as do the Russians.

I love Chinese flesh too, especially Michelle Yeoh!

You have no problem with the king owning everything, do you?

Elvis?
What has he got to do with the issue?

An ancient nation's collapse brought the known world in the Dark Ages. In history, there have only been two Hyperpowers - - the Romans and the Americans.

Then the Rome of today had best beware a greedy senate and weak emperors.

The fall of England and France were only minor interruptions - - they were nothing in the end. I bet if you ask the Chinese and the Russians what I'm talking about they would quickly fudge the truth as you have.

As I said, all empires reach the end of the line in time.

But the nations live on - Enjoy the top spot and make the most of it!

No, they would say the Scots have always licked the boot of the English.

*Grabs boot* - Lick Lick!

Wouldn't you feel better if it were an English Wildlife Park? Maybe not, you are a Scot - - -

As long as there were lovely boots to lick, I would be happy!

We didn't hold a German gun to their head, but yes, they were forced by circumstance.

Funny how the US license-builds German guns for M1 tanks nowadays!
Who can this be? A super-duper-hyperpower using evil Euro Rheinmetall guns?

Choke! Gasp!

 

[CurtSibling]

"And we always win, because we have so many willing helpers!"

Oh, are you saying we're at war? With our bitter European cousins! I always heard around here that we were friends and that we LOVE each other. But it isn't true, is it? The empires you long far are not distant memories, are they? Do you honestly believe the Chinese and Russians will help you regain them? It is for this reason Europe cannot be taken seriously - -

I actually said it in the hope you would do something whack, like quote the same thing twice!

 

[Hitro]

Hazzard should be careful when encoutering tall men in black trenchcoats, it seems that he might have come too close to figuring out "Plan B".

 

[CurtSibling]

Hyperpowers can make a man dangerous!

 

[Hazzard]

Curt, I would love to see you in the hands of the Chinese. You are the voice that Europe's hides when they speak of civility and the rule-of-law. The US will never stand aside - - we will lead the world to the stars while Europe cries under the boot of defeat. And the equivalent of McDonalds will follow - - you know this and it makes you sick. For a Scot to defend a concept they never experienced is comical. But these seem to be the times you are more than willing to embrace English domination.

"Europe is only Christian of name. The war has demonstrated the satanic character of the western civilization."

Gandhi speaking with love of the Europeans - -

 

[Hazzard]

"Hazzard should be careful when encoutering tall men in black trenchcoats, it seems that he might have come too close to figuring out "Plan B"."

Hey buddy, I'm working on "Plan C" - - -

"We're sorry! Please take us back!" - - The Euros as one voice

 

[CurtSibling]

Curt, I would love to see you in the hands of the Chinese.

You bet!
Especially in the petite hands of Zhang Ziyi!

You are the voice that Europe's hides when they speak of civility and the rule-of-law.

We have hides!
With leather hides we can make nice boots, and lick them!

The US will never stand aside

Just like John Wayne!

- - we will lead the world to the stars while Europe cries under the boot of defeat. And the equivalent of McDonalds will follow - - you know this and it makes you sick.

Indeed, McDonalds does make me sick! It tastes like cardboard.
You'd think a super-duper power could make nicer junk food!

For a Scot to defend a concept they never experienced is comical. But these seem to be the times you are more than willing to embrace English domination.

These are great times for domination, and leather boots!

"Europe is only Christian of name. The war has demonstrated the satanic character of the western civilization."
Gandhi speaking with love of the Europeans - -

Big talk for a man who wore no trousers!
And look where his loud-mouthing got him!

 

[Hitro]

Hey buddy, I'm working on "Plan C" - - -

What do you care about the development of the 500 meter Bratwurst?

 

[CurtSibling]

What do you care about the development of the 500 meter Bratwurst?

The plot thickens!

 

[CurtSibling]

OK, Hazzard!

Now it is time for you to face the topic!

Tell us what you think of Scotland as a nation - Your opinion, please?

 

[Loaf Warden]

Ignoring this bizarre and semi-surreal 'my continent can beat up your continent' thing that's suddenly sprung up, all I can say is that while I am aware that the United Kingdom is not a federal system such as we have over here, it is my opinion that it would be better off if it gravitated more in that direction. Call me a chauvinistic American if you like, but I think the English, Scots, and Welsh would all benefit from strengthening rather than severing the ties between them. (As for the Irish . . . well, that's a much stickier issue. I don't think there are any easy answers to be found there.)

It's ridiculous to think that every group of a dozen or more people should get an entire nation all to themselves simply because they pronounce their Rs differently or because they have differing opinions on how some holiday should be celebrated. We have far too much sectionalism in the world as it is, and there are ceaseless wars in many parts of the globe over it. It's not strengthening anyone as a nation, and it's weakening us all as a species. It's far too late in the game to try to behave tribally, looking with suspicion at the people on the other side of that hill because they talk a little bit funny. We were once a tribal species, but there are too bloody many of us now to pretend we still are. The last thing we need now is more countries.

Tibet has plenty of legitimate grievances against China, and their case is strong enough to make me support independence there. But with the exception of a couple of very specific governments that are no longer in existence anyway, nobody in Europe has done anything to anyone else in Europe that can even come close in quite some time now. All these nationalistic separatist movements strike me as being nothing more than a temper tantrum.

[little voice in Loaf Warden's head]So was the American Revolution, at the time, but it turned out for the best in the end.[/little voice]

Okay. I'm not saying I am right. It's just an expression of opinion. But for now, I remain pro-United Kingdom.

 

[Free Enterprise]

I see Scotland as a nation within the state of the United Kingdom. Although there are essentially multiple nations within the United Kingdom, the do hold equal political weight because of population and economics. I have an affinity with Scotland and other Celtic territories. Hopefully Scotland will experience a revival in economic power.

The off shore oil fields near Scotland ensure the continued interest of England in maintaining the U.K. as a state. I think that it is mutually beneficial for both nations if the U.K. remains one state. I would find it more much more palatable if the U.K. were to release Northern Ireland (which would mean that Ireland is reunited) than to disband the union of England and Scotland (which unites the isle of Britain for much benefit).

 

[Hazzard]

"Big talk for a man who wore no trousers!"

We call them pants in the real world. And that naked man sure made fools of you, huh? But again, you're Scottish so you don't understand. Sorry……………..

 

[Marla_Singer]

I'm very sceptical about the independance of the Basque country, Catalunya, Corsica or Brittany. I don't see where would be the point and how that could be better for them.

However, I support 100% the Freedom of Scotland.

It would be good for the Scots because they wouldn't be annoyed anymore by the conservative english people. Scotland supports so heavily the labour that we can feel a political gap between views of English people and Scots that we can't observe anywhere else in Europe.

Moreover, it will make one more country ready to move forward in the construction of Europe... and in the meantime, it will reduce the weight of that eurosceptic thingy called England (Yes ! England ! NOT Britain !).

By the way, I also think Northern Ireland should join the rest of the island as a free Nation. I don't understand why Northern Ireland should be english simply because there are both protestants and catholics over there. Does that mean protestants aren't able to survive in a country which would be in majority catholic ? In the 21st century, such a consideration is utterly stupid.

 

[Archer 007]

I see it as just another part of the UK.

 

[Plexus]

Prove Scotland exists.

I see Scotland as an important part of the United Kingdom, with England, Wales, Northern Ireland, Man, etc. making up the rest.

 

[Kev1916]

I'm very sceptical about the independance of the Basque country, Catalunya, Corsica or Brittany. I don't see where would be the point and how that could be better for them.

However, I support 100% the Freedom of Scotland.

It would be good for the Scots because they wouldn't be annoyed anymore by the conservative english people. Scotland supports so heavily the labour that we can feel a political gap between views of English people and Scots that we can't observe anywhere else in Europe.

Moreover, it will make one more country ready to move forward in the construction of Europe... and in the meantime, it will reduce the weight of that eurosceptic thingy called England (Yes ! England ! NOT Britain !).

By the way, I also think Northern Ireland should join the rest of the island as a free Nation. I don't understand why Northern Ireland should be english simply because there are both protestants and catholics over there. Does that mean protestants aren't able to survive in a country which would be in majority catholic ? In the 21st century, such a consideration is utterly stupid.

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Thank you and well said Marla,
At last a poster that gets to the heart of the Matter, Scotland and England are VERY different, we're closer to Europe than the English and we as a nation reject their right wing Conservative views.
I certainly think that Scotland is a much more European-orientated country than England. Part of that is that Scots get a very strange feeling when they hear English people saying they don't want to be ruled from a foreign country and given this strange new currency - this is our experience of the last 300 years. Scotland as a part of Europe makes perfect sense. We'd make good Europeans.



The recent devolution settlement which created the servile Scottish Assembly, is not good enough for Scotland as it maintains the "master and servant" relationship between Scotland and England. The British government tailor's their party's economic policy to the needs of the South East of England electorate and Scots have been expected to accept those negative consequences for Scotland. For example, in the ten year period between 1991 and 2001 Scotland always had worse unemployment than England, the hated Poll Tax, also
given that the Achilles heel of the south east of England economy is a housing market which has traditionally swallowed capital in periods of recovery, and dampened consumer confidence during recessions, this is killing
the ability for first time buyers, to afford a house!.


There are many other reasons why Scotland should function as an independent country. With Scotland having a different education system, law/legal system and church. Yet, it is the Committee of the Bank of England that decides our economic fate and the central London government who dictates how key policies should proceed.

There are those who falsely claim Scotland could not survive without her southern neighbour. That England subsidises Scotland to the hilt. Yet, this is simple not true and never has been. Scotland could not only survive and indeed prosper, but would become one of the most respected nations within Europe far more than our southern neighbours are even willing to admit. AS part of the United Kingdom, Scotland has living standards below other comparable European countries, an appalling health record

A OECD report suggests Scotland could be "the 7th richest country in the world" but as part of the United Kingdom we are currently 17th and falling!, rapidly!.. The evidence clearly suggests an independent Scotland would be a successful Scotland. Incidentally, in other countries you will find no Danes arguing that Denmark would be better off being in union with Sweden and Norway, no Luxembourger who wants unification with France or indeed no Southern Irish politicians who wants to see Ireland back within the United Kingdom. We also have thousands of Scots living abroad that have a stake in our countries future and have their own part to play in Scotland's future destiny.

Any doubters should remember that Scotland has a head start over other small nations. The natural resources of oil and gas can bring prosperity. Fishing, forestry, water, mining, agriculture and tourism are among the other assets that would make Scotland an economic success.

Freedom will allow Scotland to become more internationally minded and outgoing than colonial-minded Britain allows. Independence would give Scottish citizens the right to choose their own government, rather than have one thrust upon as , as under the Thatcher years a women who declared war on Scotland and did her best to ruin and pillage it.

One which works full-time for Scotland's interests and is free from the unyielding reins of the Westminster parliament. Government Ministers in the modern independent Scotland would be promoting the interests of all the residents of this nation. In addition, an independent Scotland would be entitled to send 8 more MEPs to the European Parliament in Brussels. As European representation becomes increasingly important Scotland would be represented for the first-time ever by a true voice in European affairs rather than the current whimper. Scotland's independence day must come soon.

 

[CurtSibling]

"Big talk for a man who wore no trousers!"

We call them pants in the real world. And that naked man sure made fools of you, huh? But again, you're Scottish so you don't understand. Sorry……………..

That man got toasted by maniacs in his own country, but feel free to dream up your own version...

After all, you seem to have quite an active imagination...