Screw Democracy
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vlad the victor
Chieftain
You guys are all nuts democracy this monarchy that communism blah blah blah the only real govern ment is fundementalism for your god commands it mwhahaha absolute control decent prod barely any support cost and the only time thats there is if your useing like 15 guys out of one city good trade very good happyness its the bomb you guys are nuts 
Simon Darkshade
Mysterious City of Gold
"You guys are all nuts democracy this monarchy that communism blah blah blah the only real govern ment is fundementalism for your god commands it mwhahaha absolute control decent prod barely any support cost and the only time thats there is if your useing like 15 guys out of one city good trade very good happyness its the bomb you guys are nuts"
Well, what can you say to that? I guess I'll just abandon democracy and go fundy, like the game always does for me when I conduct experiments by giving my big civ to the AI and taking the smallest opponent.
Go from an empire with thousands of years of peace and technology to a realm of a high priest pumping out useless fanatics in the blink of an eye.
Support is nothing. You can have huge armies under democracy, with better units and tech before a fundy state can. The science handicap is heavy. Democracy has the best trade, and the best luxuries, which gives REAL happiness, rather than the content status of fundy.
A smaller amount of high tech units, properly used, can destroy a much larger army anyway. In the end, fundy go's into the dustbin if history.
Pity that the AI always go's fundy instead of commie, but it is just like Civ1 in this respect, except now its fundy instead of despotism...
Well, what can you say to that? I guess I'll just abandon democracy and go fundy, like the game always does for me when I conduct experiments by giving my big civ to the AI and taking the smallest opponent.
Go from an empire with thousands of years of peace and technology to a realm of a high priest pumping out useless fanatics in the blink of an eye.
Support is nothing. You can have huge armies under democracy, with better units and tech before a fundy state can. The science handicap is heavy. Democracy has the best trade, and the best luxuries, which gives REAL happiness, rather than the content status of fundy.
A smaller amount of high tech units, properly used, can destroy a much larger army anyway. In the end, fundy go's into the dustbin if history.
Pity that the AI always go's fundy instead of commie, but it is just like Civ1 in this respect, except now its fundy instead of despotism...
Andu Indorin
Retired Druid
And there, in a nut shell, is the crux of the whole Fundy vs. Democracy debate. In a word, Fundamentalism is the preferred gov't of those who have yet to learn the Art of War in Civ 2; and Democracy is the preferred gov't for those who have mastered the Art of War (and the Art of Peace).
Simon Darkshade
Mysterious City of Gold
Exactly.With these words of agreement from a democracy master, I'm very chuffed. It is indeed an Art; one that takes time to master, but when it is done, opens the door to myriads of new experiences. It is not for impatient caterpillars who do not wish to undergo metamorphisis, but it is for those willing to undergo the tests to become a glorious butterfly.
Nothing at all can compete with a militant/power democracy that is firing on all cylinders. Nothing at all, not even mass nuclear attack, because the democracy will have an SDI network in place long before the fundy rivals get armor, even if it decides to let them achieve nuclear status.
Nothing at all can compete with a militant/power democracy that is firing on all cylinders. Nothing at all, not even mass nuclear attack, because the democracy will have an SDI network in place long before the fundy rivals get armor, even if it decides to let them achieve nuclear status.
The trick is to jack up luxury to 50% temporarily during the transition. When you become a democracy, lower the lux rate and then check in the attitude manager for cities with red names. You cannot let any city have disorder for more than one turn after that.
Ren
Communist Nazi
Damn right, Communism all tha way!
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You should search for posts by Starlifter. He explains how to make a super democracy. Using his methods, you can easily research the tech tree by 1AD and build a one turn space ship.
monkeyman116
Warlord
Well said Ren, Communism all the way.
talismanjayuk
Chieftain
Hi There - Im new to this site so bear with me. Regarding the discussion on best Governemnt type - I always play Communism - it seems to give a good balance and I never go bankrupt. Usually by the 1800, 1900 hundreds I got a good few thousand gold and own pretty much most of the cities anyway. Democracy or Republic are probably worht trying but only if you dont wanna get involved in any major conflicts - but if you have powerful neighbours then you cant guarantee that.... 
Ren
Communist Nazi
From my (lack of) experience, I have found that getting out of Fundamentalism is extrememly expensive money wise, so just stick with Communism 
Comrade Juhon
Spreader of the word
Communism RULES!!!
(as you may have guessed from my username)
(as you may have guessed from my username)
Andu Indorin
Retired Druid
Originally posted by talismanjayuk
Hi There - Im new to this site so bear with me. Regarding the discussion on best Governemnt type - I always play Communism - it seems to give a good balance and I never go bankrupt. Usually by the 1800, 1900 hundreds I got a good few thousand gold and own pretty much most of the cities anyway. Democracy or Republic are probably worht trying but only if you dont wanna get involved in any major conflicts - but if you have powerful neighbours then you cant guarantee that....
Fighting wars as a democracy is an art form unto itself; once mastered, Democracy is the most ruthless way to fight wars. (Granted, one MUST have the U.N. as a precondition of fighting total war as a democracy.)
Darius
Smith, Wesson, and me
It's because you SUCK!
Philosopher12
Baby King
Personally, I'll go with communisim because I ALWAYS play on cheiftain and try to conquer the world with 10-20 cities.
COMMUNISIM RULES
COMMUNISIM RULES
Boli
Warlord
The best way to go is to use ALL the goverments at one time or another.
Despotism (Compulsary good to expand.)
Monarchy (Those little empires with big enemies)
Republic (Can't expand can't attack, but you get REALLY rich and rush ahead in the science)
Democracy (Like republic but because of its lower corrouption levels easier to wage war)
Communism (Just for fun )
And Fundy (You Nuked me... you bastard!)
Despotism (Compulsary good to expand.)
Monarchy (Those little empires with big enemies)
Republic (Can't expand can't attack, but you get REALLY rich and rush ahead in the science)
Democracy (Like republic but because of its lower corrouption levels easier to wage war)
Communism (Just for fun
)And Fundy (You Nuked me... you bastard!)
sethos
no allies
Democracy is superior to all other forms of government.
Together with trade it gives you a boost in technology. I will have spies when you still have diplomats. I will have artillery when you still have cannons. I will have armors when you still have dragoons.
That means a democratic government will have superior weapons.
And trade give you the money to bribe your enemies' cities.
I don't use a lot of military units. I build - spies and caravans.
Wonders are build in one turn. In the core of my high production empire freights ares built every turn or every 2nd turn by my bigger and well developped (market places, banks, sewer system, mass transit ...)cities.
Together with trade it gives you a boost in technology. I will have spies when you still have diplomats. I will have artillery when you still have cannons. I will have armors when you still have dragoons.
That means a democratic government will have superior weapons.
And trade give you the money to bribe your enemies' cities.
I don't use a lot of military units. I build - spies and caravans.
Wonders are build in one turn. In the core of my high production empire freights ares built every turn or every 2nd turn by my bigger and well developped (market places, banks, sewer system, mass transit ...)cities.
starlifter
Deity
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by Andu:
Nicely said. Fundy allows one to fight without undue forsight and planning. Successful democracies a great deal more planning, more unit movement , and generally intricate operations, esp. if one does not have the SoL & maintains an absolute spotless record.
If one gets behind, reaches the nuclear age, and wants to catch up brutally... fundy is a good option. Hoards of nuke spies and transport are unstoppable by the AI (thogh the outcome would likely be different against a human).
Frankly, a power democracy can bring a game to a faster, higher scoring conclusion than any other form of govt. It might be interesting to play a GOTM or an OCC both ways and observe your result, or compare the final result to those that use power deomcracies in the GOTMs.
Nicely said. Fundy allows one to fight without undue forsight and planning. Successful democracies a great deal more planning, more unit movement , and generally intricate operations, esp. if one does not have the SoL & maintains an absolute spotless record.
If one gets behind, reaches the nuclear age, and wants to catch up brutally... fundy is a good option. Hoards of nuke spies and transport are unstoppable by the AI (thogh the outcome would likely be different against a human).
Frankly, a power democracy can bring a game to a faster, higher scoring conclusion than any other form of govt. It might be interesting to play a GOTM or an OCC both ways and observe your result, or compare the final result to those that use power deomcracies in the GOTMs
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CultureFreak18
Chieftain
Democracy is better if you have a lot of big cities. If you are done expanding, it is a great choice. If you have a lot of small cities then the shield cost of supporting your units will slow you down- production wise. If you keep on expanding, then the defense you build will cost shields. But I do agree, democracy is the best form of government.
starlifter
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Actually, Democracy thrives in small city empires.... there is no better government that a sprawling empire of tiny sub-size 8 cities. This is because Democracy will get those cities to max size quick, and your power will increase almost vertically on the powergraph. More gold. More shields. More science. Resources just gush in, and multiply as the cities grow by one citizen per day.
Once you empire has reached it's maximum size and you're not expanding & founding new cites, then Fundamentalism becomes a viable option. With Lux of about 30% and Taxes at 70%, a full grown Fundy empire will produce as much trade as Democracy, and allow you to conduct war, demand tribute, suitcase nuke cities, etc. etc.
But I never leave Democracy one I get into it, since I do not ever reacall finishing my expansion and growth by the end of the game.
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