Serbian Rifleman (Feb 08, 2008 )
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Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
Yes, but Serbia used 19th century Riflemen in WW1
Yes, thats what I was saying all a long... the assassination of Ferdinand was an excuse for war, but not the reason!
And please let us not go in to the Fall of Yugoslavia subject, cause that period is all messed up and there were crimes on all sides, neither was innocent, I only blame USA and NATO for that war, they could have stopped it if they really wanted it!
As for Kosovo... Kosovo was a disaster! I as a son of a policeman that was in Kosovo, can only make you imagine the situation like this:
Imagine you live in a country that was in communist regime for more than 50 years and in that time that regime made 2 autonomous provinces of your country... and in one province Muslim population has rapidly growing, and when the regime has fallen your president declares those provinces no more autonomous! and then the Muslim population in that region starts protesting massively but now not for Autonomy but Independence! then the president sends police troops to set peace there like other countries do in those situations! but when policemen arrived they didn't find protesters they found armed civilians with AK-47's and heavy guns! so many policemen died! do you know in USA when policemen dies how the government get ugly, well the same thing happened here so president sent Troops to defeat those armed civilians and bring them to justice! so when our tanks arrived there and defeated the armed civilians then came UN troops and stated that there was mass murdering there, and get this "mostly men" hah! so NATO bombards nor Milosevic or "his army" the NATO bombards Serbia! Serbian people... is that justice? I don't think so...
As for Slavonia, yes I agree and I know that Austria-Hungary let Serb migrators, who were fleeing the oppressing Turks, live in Vojvodina and Slavonia but to defend those lands from turks. Nice deal yeah? well not, they also sent very little food! so Serbs were dying of hunger...
I agree with you Partizanac, I've heard things that what NATO and the US portrays happened in Yugoslavia wasn't the entire picture..
Stormrage
Ever Present Taskmaster
`kay, first of all this is a great unit.
2nd of all, the germanisation of Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia was very real, no matter how strong the slavic identity was, the germanisation was consistent and opressing.
3rd - any reasonable man will confirm that the assassination was an excuse, not the reason
4th - Yes, the serbs populated the borders to form a militia, thats why there were so many of them in Croatia, populating the area bordering the Remains of the Remains.
5th - I have strong family ties in Serbia, and NATO hit them really hard. They bombed the serbian people, allright.
6th - I had to post all this here, but I also have to suggest that if anyone wants to continue, we should move it to OT.
2nd of all, the germanisation of Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia was very real, no matter how strong the slavic identity was, the germanisation was consistent and opressing.
3rd - any reasonable man will confirm that the assassination was an excuse, not the reason
4th - Yes, the serbs populated the borders to form a militia, thats why there were so many of them in Croatia, populating the area bordering the Remains of the Remains.
5th - I have strong family ties in Serbia, and NATO hit them really hard. They bombed the serbian people, allright.
6th - I had to post all this here, but I also have to suggest that if anyone wants to continue, we should move it to OT.
sum_aar_jam
Warlord
Let me set the record straight with facts. I just got done teaching my American History Class about World War I and me being a History Teacher must clarify this discussion. This is what is taught in US High Schools so use this unit to shot the US government and not me......
Serbia was an individual country that wanted to nationalize and annex the province of Bosnia in southern Austria-Hungry. Reason for this is that the Austria-Hungry province of Bosnia had a lot of Serbian Nationals. The Arch Duke went down to Sarajevo to smooth some feathers and to tell the Serbs living under Austria-Hungry rule that he would be a good leader. A terrorist group by the name of Black Hand (who was NOT under the direction of the Serbian government) killed the Arch Duke in a effort to force a seceesion from the Austria-Hungry Empire. Austria saw an opportunity to blame Serbia for the attack and declared war a month later. Russia had interests in the Balkan and declared war on Austria-Hungry. Germany declared war on Russia due to alliance with Austria Hungry. Germany also knew that France was allied with Russia and so declared war on France FIRST to surprise them before they could mobilize their troops. Germany marched through neutral Belgium which Great Britain gurenteed Independence through the London Treaty and declared war on Germany. This is how WWI started.
You may now send out the little Serbian Rifleman, who is btw a great unit, to shoot the person who makes US textbooks
Serbia was an individual country that wanted to nationalize and annex the province of Bosnia in southern Austria-Hungry. Reason for this is that the Austria-Hungry province of Bosnia had a lot of Serbian Nationals. The Arch Duke went down to Sarajevo to smooth some feathers and to tell the Serbs living under Austria-Hungry rule that he would be a good leader. A terrorist group by the name of Black Hand (who was NOT under the direction of the Serbian government) killed the Arch Duke in a effort to force a seceesion from the Austria-Hungry Empire. Austria saw an opportunity to blame Serbia for the attack and declared war a month later. Russia had interests in the Balkan and declared war on Austria-Hungry. Germany declared war on Russia due to alliance with Austria Hungry. Germany also knew that France was allied with Russia and so declared war on France FIRST to surprise them before they could mobilize their troops. Germany marched through neutral Belgium which Great Britain gurenteed Independence through the London Treaty and declared war on Germany. This is how WWI started.
You may now send out the little Serbian Rifleman, who is btw a great unit, to shoot the person who makes US textbooks
Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
That last comment was funny Sum.....
Partizanac
Serbian Ambassador in CFC
Black Hand? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavrilo_Princip
Black Hand assassinated King Alexander Obrenovic there for killing the last Obrenovic male and ending its family tree!
Tank_Guy#3
Lion of Lehistan
Ahhh yes, when in doubt blame the greedy, imperialism driven, capitalist pigs in the United States.....
Funny, whenever we don't send troops in, people say they want us. But as soon as we're there, they want us to get the hell out. Blaming us for being more isolationist.
I agree that it was a very crappy (would use other words, but I'd probably get banned) situation.
Hmmm, apparently there is still a lot of negative propaganda over there. If a cop gets killed, we don't shake down every person of a particular group that we think did it.
"Then came UN troops and stated that there was mass murdering there, and get this mostly men...." Did you just deny and agree that there was mass murder?
But is that justice? No, I don't think so. Bombing a nations people for something the people didn't want or were even aware of isn't right.
Seeing as how we are both very steadfast in the defense of our nations, shall we agree to disagree?
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Great unit Sandris. I think it could be useful in many areas.
@ sum: I don't rely on hardly any of the history or social studies I learned in high school. I research things for myself.
Partizanac
Serbian Ambassador in CFC
Tank_Guy#3 said:
Who said anything about sending troops? USA could just give a personal threat to every nations president, that they will get sanctions if they start fighting and everything would be OK!
Virote_Considon
The Great Dictator
Sanctions rarely work to the desired effect.
cubsfan6506
Got u
You guys are both overly nationalistic. U.S couldn't of stopped the war. But handled what they did wrong ok.
Tank_Guy#3
Lion of Lehistan
Put sanctions on which nations in particular?
Serbia would also have gotten some, at least to some degree I'd imagine. The situation could have been handled a lot better, but it's easy to say "should've done this, should've done that" now that the whole situation is over (there was a great quote about hindsight, but I can't remember how it goes).
Clinton also didn't have the spine for such things.
sum_aar_jam
Warlord
The Balkans: Powder Keg of Europe and of this thread
Send in the Serbian Infantry...it will settle this dispute
Send in the Serbian Infantry...it will settle this dispute
TopGun
258 kills
Amen to that. The US reaction was at least 6 years too late. A disgrace.
Spacer One
Avatar subject to change
If there is no Economic gain to be had, we wont help...sorry...Did you actually think that the US steps in for Morality's sake??
When US does send troops, they often make matters worse.
TopGun
258 kills
When we send troops without a clear idea of what we want to achieve, the we make matters worse. And our goals always need to include what's to happen after the battle has been won.
The best example for when we had a plan was WWII. The unconditional defeat and subsequent democratization of Germany is a success story... even though the objective of democratization was formed due to Cold War pressures.
The best example for when we had a plan was WWII. The unconditional defeat and subsequent democratization of Germany is a success story... even though the objective of democratization was formed due to Cold War pressures.
Partizanac
Serbian Ambassador in CFC
do you hear your self? democratization? the words that ends with "ization" are assimilation processes...
Why should Serbia be like USA? maybe we like it this way?
USA is doing what Nazi Germany and Communist USSR did... they assimilate countries to their way of living and their rule! don't forget that real democracy was founded in ancient Greece, did once mighty Greek assimilated their neighboring countries to live in democracy? its funny that ancient Greece was more democratic than the "DEMOCRATIC" world today...
Why should Serbia be like USA? maybe we like it this way?
USA is doing what Nazi Germany and Communist USSR did... they assimilate countries to their way of living and their rule! don't forget that real democracy was founded in ancient Greece, did once mighty Greek assimilated their neighboring countries to live in democracy? its funny that ancient Greece was more democratic than the "DEMOCRATIC" world today...
Tank_Guy#3
Lion of Lehistan
That was a major success story.
Assimilation implies that we are attacking, conquering, and making it a part of our nation. But if you haven't noticed, Germany isn't the 51st state
We don't "assimilate countries", we remove guys like Hitler, and show them our way of doing things. We did that with Germany, and they went from devastated warzone to one of the biggest players in Europe today. Athens did take up the spear to assimilate (with the correct definition) other areas.Why should Serbia be like USA? maybe we like it this way?
USA is doing what Nazi Germany and Communist USSR did... they assimilate countries to their way of living and their rule! don't forget that real democracy was founded in ancient Greece, did once mighty Greek assimilated their neighboring countries to live in democracy? its funny that ancient Greece was more democratic than the "DEMOCRATIC" world today...
Wiki said:
You might also say they were Imperialistic as well, as they had established colonies all around the Mediterranean and Black Seas. After the Persians captued the Ionian colonies, Athens even supported a rebellion there (could be considered subversion), in effect starting the Persian invasions. So history doesn't necessarily confirm your statements.
Oh, the United States (along with many European nations) are Republics, not a democracies. Yes there is a difference. Though technically some could be considered Socialist states. Socialism and Communism are also different.
Blue Monkey
Archon Without Portfolio
I for one am really tired of the OT political discourse. Enough with the jingoism already. Most of us look to this thread & the others like it for Sandris' wonderful units. Please, please, take this to the OT forum before Plotinus spanks us all.
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