SESN01 - The Poor Warmongering Fools

I don't see the situation as all that bad, actually. If we can get 2 settlers down east of Stockholm and Reykjavik along that eastern river, we will control virtually all the river tiles. That, with what we already have should give us a much superior growth rate to our 2 neighbors.
 
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50BC

Trondheim switched to galley after reprieve.

Start max research on Republic due in 28 @-2gpt of our hoard of 398.

Switch Bergen citizens around and start archers. Cancel all temple builds in favor of granaries or libraries or barracks.

Theodora will give Caesarea, HBR and 72g for Peace Treaty. Done.

Egypt won't talk. After peace treaty with Theo will build an embassy and see if she won't join the fight against the Egyptians. She wants Literature for it, pay her 5gpt just to keep her in the fight.

Take 145g off Willie for Literature.

Wounded archers in the east will garrison Caesarea, remainder of force will reform at Rekyjavik for assault on Utrecht.

I expect to see Theo's dromon sail out to whomp on Giza.

On the interturn sign an RoP with the now polite Theo but watch her dromon sail south instead of north.

Byzantine in Caesarea riots because of our cruel oppression. Hire a tax guy.

530-470BC
Gathering archers in Caesarea and Reykjavik. Galley out of Trondheim is sailing the northern coast. Whip an archer in Oslo.
Build a settler in Copenhagen and start worker. Settler and warrior set out to settle dyes jungle. Jute warrior is approaching Stockholm from mountains.

Egypt starts THG

450
Readying invasion force.

Egpyt and Netherlands make it easy, sign an alliance and Willie declares

430
Pay Theo 250g to declare on Dutch.

Dutch dispatch an archer out of Utrecht in the face of invading force of archers.

410BC
Elite archer attacks Dutch archer and Bede's Bows are formed and Healfdene appears.

Archer from Trondheim kills Dutch archer in marsh.

Shaka joins in against the Netherlands.

390

Archers retreat from Utrecht to re-group

Heafdene arrives at Reykjavik and heads for Copenhagen.

Archer from Trondheim kills Dutch archer on road to Bergen.

Amsterdam builds the Pyramids. Thanks Willie

Zulu start ToA

370BC
Healfdene arrives at Copenhagen and builds new palace

Archers move on Utrecht

Barb horseman gallops out of mountains and kills slave at Stockholm

Dutch archer attacks force at Utrecht and kills archer.

Dutch warrior captures slave at Reykjavik

T10 350BC

Attack on Utrecht is a dismal failure and we lose two archers while only slightly wounding Dutch spear who receives promotion

A settler is in Reykjavik waiting for the way to clear to settle the dyes to SE

The overall situation is precarious and promising. Our allies the Byzantine and Zulu are not showing much against the Dutch, but then the Dutch aren't showing much either.

Palace move has raised productivity in Bergen and Copenhagen and boosted our research rate and cost two shields at Trondheim. The trade off is worth it as we can now build the Amsterdam ExFor a lot faster with four turn archers at both Bergen and Copenhagen.

Pre Palace move

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Post Palace move

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The Dutch rushed a spear in Utrecht as it is now pop1.

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All will be well if Willie can't mount a counter. Otherwise...
 
Never go unprepared in a war. We better have more than 5 archers for each city, and even more if it's on hill (or avoid attacking it directly).

Set the goal of the war. We have launched 2 wars whose goals were to get cities and then sue for peace, so a smaller force was good enough. However, if our goal is eliminating the AI, we'd need decisive forces to take it out. Go directly to their capital with 10 archers and a smaller force to a second city might be a good idea.

This game can be a terrific test on warmongering skills. ;)

EDIT: If we cannot take out Dutch, just pillage all over its place and wait for cats. Pillaging is VERY POWERFUL! We should also send some spearmen to pillage Egypt.
 
Nice turns, Bede. Very fortunate the RNG gods smiled on us for that leader.

With any luck, grs can post by tomorrow afternoon/evening so CVN can pick it up and have the weekend to replace his C3C and get a few turns in.

Also, I think we need to do whatever possible to cripple Willie before he gets his Mercs.
 
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Once again I have to plead my case for the cats. Get math, and with six of them with 5 archers we will bring down Utrecht that sits on a hill. Otherwise, we're just asking for a bloodbath.
 
We can but math from Shaka if you want to spend either the gold or the tech to get it.

Amsterdam is still pop4.

The archer atttack at Utrecht collapsed because the city held an archer that pincushioned the attackers. ALso Utrecht is surrounded by narsh and jungle so getting cats in there is not really convenient without burning some worker turns.

Better tactic for Utrecht is put some attack and defense units in the jungle and wait for Willie to send somebody into the marsh. Kill the unit. covcer with defender, then retreat back to the jungle.

Amsterdam, OTOH, is wide open to cat attack if you want to wait and build some to add to the archer force. Though that might delay things to the point where the city will grow. A question of balance....

Finally, no need to spend time worrying about Cleo. We'll have plenty of warning of her approach and the Byz will keep her busy. Might be able to draw Shaka in against Cleo, as well.
 
The archer atttack at Utrecht collapsed because the city held an archer that pincushioned the attackers. ALso Utrecht is surrounded by narsh and jungle so getting cats in there is not really convenient without burning some worker turns.
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Or get it through concessions. We can always wait.

Amsterdam, OTOH, is wide open to cat attack if you want to wait and build some to add to the archer force. Though that might delay things to the point where the city will grow. A question of balance....
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Maybe we can pillage its improvements. However that means we'd need to rebuild those after we capture it..probably not a good idea.
 
There really isn't enough cover down there to go in with just spears and archers on a pillaging mission, IMHO, as Willie is building archers. Archers against spears in the open are not good odds, methinks, and we don't have any fast attack/retreat units available.

I'm always too cautious...fortune does favor the bold!
 
grs -- go ahead and play, though it might be nice if CVN saw the suggestion from Lkendter and complied. I can't complain though, we've all been great about having a quick turnaround on our turns. :)
 
I don't have the game in front of me, but isn't Utrecht a couple tiles from Groningen? The cats just go up one hill tile, and they're there.
 
BTW, the curragh should check out the Incas. They're just south of the southern island by Zimbabwe. May be a suicide mission ending on the sea tile, but we'd at least make contact.
 
Pre-Turn: fire taxman in Caesarea, wake foritfied settler in Reykjavik and spearman in Copenhagen to move them towards Copenhagen, Shaka wants 224 gold for mathematics, I dont take it. I am not sure if we can hold Reykjavik...

IBT: Egypt and Byzantines sign peace :(, a barb horse appears near Stockholm, Dutch close in on Reykjavik, Groningen warrior - warrior

330BC vet archer kills barb horse (-2), elite archer moves towards Reykjavik, settler towards Bergen, spear arrives in Reykjavik, change Oslo to Barracks in 4, our galley loses to egypt galley, warriot automoves(?) to Reykjavik, Bede's Bows kill reg archer and capture worker

IBT: Bede's Bows are killed by a vet warrior (-1), a egypt spear appears, Bergen archer - archer

310BC reg. warrior loses to wounded warrior (-2), he promotes to elite, another reg warrior dies at his hand redlining him again, wounded vet. archer finally kills him and promotes to elite

IBT: reg archer, kills fort. vet spear in Reykjavik and takes it

290BC: elite archer kills reg spear in Reykjavik (-3), elite archer kills wonded reg archer in Reykjavik and takes it back, cleo has Republic and Monarchy, but misses mathematics and Lit., I'd really like to get Mathematics from Shaka and trade with her, but she wont make peace, we have a force of 5 archers and 1 warrior assembled to take Amsterdam and end this fruitless war, hire entertainer in Copenhagen

IBT: Willie asks for peace but offers nothing, Copenhagen archer - barracks

270BC: start moving

IBT: cleo closes in from the north, Olso barracks - spearman, Egypt and Byzantines start Great Library

250BC: change Bergen to spearman, vet archer kills barb horse (-1) and promotes, found Birka, starts worker, build an embassy in Zimbabwe: size 4, just a palce and 2 impi, temple of artemis in 14, get rop, but cant pay for alliance vs egypt, whip spear in Oslo

IBT: Cleo closes in on Stockholm, Zulu and Netherlands sign peace, Dutch reg archer kills vet warrior, Bergen archer - archer, Oslo spear - spear

230BC: vet archer kills Dutch reg archer (-1) and promotes, we have 6 archer in front of Amsterdam, elite archer kills dutch reg archer (-4), our reg warrior dies to dutch reg archer (-1), research to 80% - republik in 3, Shaka joins uns against cleo for 194 gold + 2gpt, we pay and he declares - that might save Stockholm and our ass

IBT: Netherlands and Zulu sign alliance vs egypt, cleo retreats, Willies vet. archer attacks our elite and loses (-1), Groeningen warrior - galley, Stockholm barracks - spear

210BC: vet archer from Bergen kills egypt spear (-1)

attacking Amsterdam: vet archer loses to reg spear (-0) who promotes, vet archer kill vet spear (-2), vet archer kills reg spear (-3), vet archer loses to reg spear (-1) who promotes, elite archer kills reg spear (-2), reg archer loses to wounded vet spear (-0) - there is 1 vet spear left in Amsterdam - Willie would not even give us Utrecht for peace

IBT: we see some fighting between Cleo and Shaka, but only see her winning, reg archer from Amsterdam kills our wounded vet archer, Copenhagen barracks - spear, our forces retreat from Amsterdam

190BC: need a spec in Bergen - take a scientist, sci to 0% - republic in 1

IBT: Zulu and Netherlands sign an alliace against us, we research republic and start maths, Korea build Great Wall

170BC: diperse barb cam, hurry spear in Stockholm, our elite archer kills dutch reg archer (-2) and Bede's Bows are revived - the Great Leader Invaaer moves to Oslo and builds an army, Theodora gives us 55 gold, Mathematics and alliance vs Egypt and the Zulu for Republik and we take, hire taxman in Stockholm, research turned off

IBT: Willie kills a retreating archer, Stockholm spear - spear, a volcano errupts in Zulu-lands, curragh goes onto suicide mission to contact pink civ

150BC: Theodory offers rop - we take, Egypt archer attacks Stockholm, our spear promotes at -1, Bergen archer - archer, Caesarea barracks - spear, Copenhagen archer - archer, we contact Inca, they are up monarchy and construction but miss literature and republic, I did NOT trade because there is another border (purple) reachable in 1 turn and as they are neighbours to the Inca they probably miss republic and literature, too.

The army is in Oslo - still empty. The courthouse in Trondheim will finally be ready in 2. Besides my bad luck (or bad performance - I leave you to judge) We should be able to take Amsterdam next try and force Willie to give us all but 1 city. With new trading patners the middle ages seem not far away anymore. We did not revolt yet.

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Well done.

An army of archers and some covering spears should be just what is needed to take Willie off the count. I expected a determined defense at Amsterdam. With one city in the mountains or the jungle we won't have to worry about Willie again.
 
Excellent. Things are progressing fairly nicely. Can't get discouraged by the RNG, it's never reliable anyhow. I imagine we'll want to keep the army empty foe a few Zerks?

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