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Seven World Wonders

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Xandinho, Jul 21, 2014.

  1. Xandinho

    Xandinho Emperor

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    Let's create the seven wonders of the world?
    Just say the best wonder for every situation, this is my list:

    Culture: Sistine Chapel
    Commerce: Colossus
    Happiness: Neuschwanstein
    Religion: Borobudur
    Science: Hubble Space Telescope
    Military: Alhambra
    Best overall: Leaning Tower of Pisa

    What are the seven wonders of the world of you?
     
  2. Montezuma II

    Montezuma II Chieftain

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    Culture: Sistine Chapel
    Commerce: Colossus
    Happiness: Notre Dame
    Religion: Stonehenge
    Science: Hanging Gardens
    Military: Brandenburg Gate
    Best overall: Leaning Tower of Pisa
     
  3. joncnunn

    joncnunn Senior Java Wizard Moderator

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    Culture: Sistine Chapel
    Commerce: Colossus
    Happiness: Forbidden Palace (10% pop reduction in unhappiness trumps mere 1 happiness per city and flat 10)
    Religion: Stonehenge (you can't found a world wonder providing missionaries if you don't yet have a religion)
    Science: PT (All RAs enhanced will make up the difference between Hubbles 2 late game GS and PT's 1 GS earlier, Hanging Gardens is so early its difficult to get at Immortal)
    Best overall: Leaning Tower of Pisa
     
  4. fallout3dc

    fallout3dc Warlord

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    hey, joncnunn, do you really feel that the PT is that good? I think that it is the weakest science wonder out there. It can only be built if you get to that tech first, and if you do, then you won't be getting much out of it. Also, the GS isn't even free, it raises the cost of the future ones.
     
  5. fallout3dc

    fallout3dc Warlord

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    culture - sydney opera house
    commerce - machu pichu
    happiness - forbidden palace
    religion - borobudur
    science - hubble
    best overall - petra with proper land
     
  6. Ribannah

    Ribannah Fighter Druid

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    Culture: Oracle
    Commerce: Colossus
    Happiness: Notre Dame
    Military: Terracotta Army
    Religion: Borobudur
    Science: Great Library
    Best overall: Chichen Itza
    Best situational: Petra
     
  7. rawrtrav

    rawrtrav Chieftain

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    Culture: Oracle
    Commerce: Colossus
    Happiness: Notre Dame
    Religion: Stonehenge
    Science: Great Library/Oracle. GL if you can get it for the Scientist point. Oracle if you can't get GL for the Scientist point.
    Military: Statue of Zeus
    Best overall: Petra
     
  8. poekie70

    poekie70 Chieftain

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    culture: Parthenon as it grants 6 cuture in a rime where culture is hard to come by( though it is hard to get).
    commerce: Colossus
    Hapiness: Notre Dame
    Religion: Stonehenge
    Science: ToA
    military: Alhambra
    best overall: Leaning Tower of Pisa
     
  9. IronfighterXXX

    IronfighterXXX Work Hard - Play Hard

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    Culture (if aim to cultural victory):Louvre
    Culture (if aim to other victory): Sistine Chapel
    Commerce: Machu Picchu
    Happiness: Notre Dame
    Religion: Borobudur
    Science: Hubble Space Telescope
    Military: Statue of Zeus
    Best overall: Leaning Tower of Pisa/ Petra with proper land
     
  10. joncnunn

    joncnunn Senior Java Wizard Moderator

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    In BNW, PT requires you to open Rationalism. Very few AIs do that so you can wait quite some time.

    Also Hubble actually increases the cost of the next two GS as well, and yet you can still have natural ones born afterwards before the game ends even with that cost having increased twice.

    The Leaning Tower of Pisa is more significant on its increased price of GS/GE/GM delaying the next natural of this type, it's almost always used for a GE and normally you haven't yet had any of those three types born.
     
  11. fallout3dc

    fallout3dc Warlord

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    aren't you normally done after finishing hubble though? Those 2 scientists are usually enough to get 90% of the techs that you need in the late game over with.

    also, I always thought that the leaning tower of pisa gifted a "free" gp of choice. Does free mean that the cost isn't raised, or you just get it instantly?
     
  12. joncnunn

    joncnunn Senior Java Wizard Moderator

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    If you use a GE for Hubble the moment you have the tech for it and had beelined to it from Atomic era, then there are quite a few space ship part techs left even after you take this.

    Leaning Tower gives you one of your choice instantly, but raises the cost of the next one of that type. It's exactly like the Mayan UA which also raises the next cost of that type.
    (With the note that GE/GS/GM all share that same cost of the next one)
     
  13. Ribannah

    Ribannah Fighter Druid

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    That is a non-issue, because it also accelerates getting new great people, which is way more significant this early in the game. On the other hand, after completing Hubble there will only be a few turns left. If getting the Porcelain Tower early is of any importance - it rarely is - pick a Great Writer.
     
  14. joncnunn

    joncnunn Senior Java Wizard Moderator

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    PT has been locked to Great Scientist since G&K. It's Leaning Tower that at the same time got its old power from vanilla of choosing any specialist.
     
  15. Silverman6083

    Silverman6083 History-Lover

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    Culture: Leaning Tower of Pisa
    Commerce: Leaning Tower of Pisa
    Happiness: Leaning Tower of Pisa
    Religion: Leaning Tower of Pisa
    Science: Leaning Tower of Pisa
    Military: Leaning Tower of Pisa
    Best overall: Leaning Tower of Pisa
    Your argument is invalid.
     
  16. Ribannah

    Ribannah Fighter Druid

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    I forgot. :)
    In that case, always build it last.
     
  17. Scotch0101

    Scotch0101 Centurion

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    Really?
     
  18. Tabarnak

    Tabarnak Cut your lousy hairs!

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    Culture: Oracle
    Commerce: Machu Picchu
    Happiness: Notre-Dame
    Religion: Hagia Sophia
    Science: Porcelaine Tower
    Military: Pyramids
    Best overall: Leaning Tower of Pisa

    Culture: Free policy and early really kicks off your game
    Commerce: God i like this wonder. Maybe because i like wide empires
    Happiness: Best raw happiness boost
    Religion: Skip a prophet to gain faith buildings more rapidly
    Science: Easy to get if you previously built the Tower of Pisa. Worth an extra gs(plus the free one) and possibility to boost RAs
    Military: Free workers and working faster...excellent synergy for wars(and early, especially in mp games)
    Best overall: Very versatile(free gp of your choice), you need at least 3 types of gps anyway so you WANT to get more of them
     
  19. budweiser

    budweiser King of the Beers

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    Culture: Parthenon - tons of culture here
    Commerce - Big Ben
    Happiness - Eiffell Tower
    Religion - HS
    Science - PT
    Military - Brandenburg
    Best: Statue of Liberty

    On Religion, my thing this week is to open Pottery>Calendar and take Stone Henge. Its been working every time.
     
  20. danaphanous

    danaphanous religious fanatic

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    Culture: Sistine Chapel
    Commerce: Machu Pichu if wide/warmongering, colossus if tall
    Happiness: Notre Dame
    Religion: Hagia Sofia (if need 2nd prophet), Mosque of Jenne otherwise
    Science: Porcelain Tower
    Military: Alhambra
    Best overall: Temple of Artemis

    Sistine: +25% empire-wide is a lot even on a 4-city game. On a wide game? Incredible for both rapid border expansion and policy acquisition. Hits everything blanket-wise including religious buildings, guild slots, etc. a lot of compound interest.

    Machu Pichu: can't often get it, but when I do it is a lot of extra gold. Colossus probably better on a tall game due to extra route early + gold on routes to you, but in a wide game Machu can easily reach +50 gold flat for your city connections or more. I like it in concert with my conquest games as the gold doesn't require trading with others which colossus does. It is my savior when everyone stops trading with me for gold income.

    Notre Dame: I've heard arguments for FP, but I just can seem to make that -10% pass 10 happiness total. I need 200 population for it too and I never get this until pretty late-game. A flat 10 at that time period is just perfect for alleviating happiness and growth problems.

    Hagia Sofia: Free temple (usually 2 gpt) and +3 faith plus prophet for instant enhancing. Hagia is the savior to an empire struggling in faith gen for a quick enhancement. In some games I'm already enhanced and this is less valuable to me compared to Mosque of Jenne. Mosque is far more valuable on games where I need to evangelize aggressively (huge game, tithes, 3 nearby AI with no religion to speak of). Having Mosque makes tithes ramp up so quick and my faith spread like crazy. A few games I've manage Mosque + Borobadur back-to-back for 3, 3-use instant missionaries, a free mosque, and +8 faith base. I was unstoppable and faith everywhere a few turns later, as I'd do the trick where I focused on tiny cities and skipped middle ones letting the pressure fill in. Managed to convert almost entire continent with just the 3 in about 50 turns. Usually a great game afterwards. Couples amazingly with evangelism if you are role-playing and intend to forcibly convert most of the world as well. They're basically unstoppable 3-use mini-prophets that add +6 followers and subtract as much from the other faith per use.

    Porcelain Tower: Free GS, +2 GS points, +50% to all RA's the science bonuses on this thing easily shave of 30 turns from your finish time in my experience.

    Alhambra: Brandenburg is good and all but super-late. This thing doesn't just give some xp though, it gives a free upgrade on top of barracks+military academy. Results in 3 starter upgrades, plus a free castle for perks, and oh, +20% to your culture randomly. If it wasn't good enough already having the +20% to culture cinches it--like a second sistine for that city.

    Temple of Artemis: Leaning Tower is amazing really, quite good, but ToA? Even better, mainly in my opinion bc if you can get it you get in the the first 50 turns of the game so the rest of the game you have a pre-eat + 10% to all your food empire-wide. Easily the best food buff there is. Pre-eat means you get compound interest on it and as your food base grows it is a direct multiplier so you grow faster and faster. In my experience if you can keep the happiness to use it, ToA easily grows you far more than 10% as fast, maybe more like 20-25% effectively, and the effect becomes stronger over time alleviating long grow times late game. It's useful all game long and only becomes more powerful.
     

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