SGOTM 01 - V Q

[namliaM]

OK well, Razing Yekat can only reap benifits IMO. Razing a size 10 city may be overdoing it, so I will keep moscow if it gets that far....

And trade health for lux with Gandhi for now....

 

[GreyFox]

Yaken I can grudgingly agree ... with rice pulled in, it might be worth razing ... definitely not mosow, please.

And tempting as it may be, don't pillage the gems. if mines are built. AFAIK, gems ony appear in jungle, that means iron wokring is required to work on those gems ...

but on second thought ... if mines are already there, then that means cathy has already cleared the jungles for us ... so ignore what I just said ...

 

[Maquis]

don't pillage the gems.

I agree, I don't see the point in pillaging some reosurces that you want in a city that you want to capture yourself.. all you're doing is making extra worker turns (not to mention more turns without the resource hooked up). With the gems online, the extra helps all our cities...

 

[ChrTh]

Didn't see it mentioned: does Gandhi know HC?

 

[namliaM]

Cathy doesnt know HC... Only Gandhi and ... read on...

Spoiler Manual Notes :

Opening turn
Make trades with Cathy and Gandhi, makes 1 person sick in Heliopolis
Set science to 0%

1 Whip sword in Heliopolis for 2 pop and DoW Cathy (losing the trade with Gandhi

2,3,4 wait for the force of cathy to arrive but all that shows up is a HA which pillages the Pasture on the cows

5,6,7,8 start moving into Yekat, bombing it to 0% and Raze it on turn 8 (455)
On turn 8 turn Research to 100% Currency in 8

9 Whip a settler at Memphis for 2 pop
11 Found Giza, start Obelisk. Suggest whipping this ASAP and start a lib after that...
12 Whip Colleseum in Thebes for 2 pop
14 Whip Lighthouse in Pi-Ramesses for 2 pop

Spoiler GameLog from the submission :

Turn 189, 335 AD: You have discovered Meditation!
Turn 189, 335 AD: You have discovered Polytheism!
Turn 189, 335 AD: You have discovered Sailing!
Turn 189, 335 AD: You have trained a Catapult in Heliopolis. Work has now begun on a Swordsman.

Turn 190, 350 AD: You have declared war on Catherine!
Turn 190, 350 AD: You have trained a Swordsman in Heliopolis. Work has now begun on a Catapult.
Turn 190, 350 AD: Gandhi's Golden Age has ended...

Turn 191, 365 AD: You have trained a Catapult in Heliopolis. Work has now begun on a Spearman.
Turn 191, 365 AD: Gandhi adopts Vassalage!
Turn 191, 365 AD: Gandhi adopts Serfdom!
Turn 191, 365 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer (6.60) vs VQ's Swordsman (8.70)
Turn 191, 365 AD: Combat Odds: 22.3%
Turn 191, 365 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 191, 365 AD: (Plot Defense: +40%)
Turn 191, 365 AD: (Fortify: +5%)
Turn 191, 365 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 191, 365 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 191, 365 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 191, 365 AD: VQ's Swordsman is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
Turn 191, 365 AD: VQ's Swordsman is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
Turn 191, 365 AD: VQ's Swordsman is hit for 17 (49/100HP)
Turn 191, 365 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
Turn 191, 365 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 22 (0/100HP)
Turn 191, 365 AD: VQ's Swordsman has defeated Catherine's Horse Archer!

Turn 192, 380 AD: Zu Chongzhi has been born in a far away land!

Turn 193, 395 AD: Taoism has been founded in a distant land!
Turn 193, 395 AD: Catherine adopts Organized Religion!

Turn 194, 410 AD: VQ's War Chariot (5.00) vs Catherine's Horse Archer (6.60)
Turn 194, 410 AD: Combat Odds: 22.3%
Turn 194, 410 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 194, 410 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
Turn 194, 410 AD: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 194, 410 AD: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 194, 410 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
Turn 194, 410 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 17 (49/100HP)
Turn 194, 410 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 17 (32/100HP)
Turn 194, 410 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 17 (15/100HP)
Turn 194, 410 AD: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 194, 410 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 17 (0/100HP)
Turn 194, 410 AD: VQ's War Chariot has defeated Catherine's Horse Archer!
Turn 194, 410 AD: You have trained a Spearman in Thebes. Work has now begun on a Colosseum.
Turn 194, 410 AD: You have trained a Swordsman in Memphis. Work has now begun on a Settler.

Turn 196, 440 AD: You have trained a Spearman in Heliopolis. Work has now begun on a Spearman.

Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Axeman (5.50) vs Catherine's Archer (8.10)
Turn 197, 455 AD: Combat Odds: 7.6%
Turn 197, 455 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 197, 455 AD: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 197, 455 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 197, 455 AD: (City Defense: +95%)
Turn 197, 455 AD: (Hills: +25%)
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Axeman is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Axeman is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: Catherine's Archer is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Axeman is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Axeman is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: Catherine's Archer is hit for 16 (68/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Axeman is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: Catherine's Archer has defeated VQ's Axeman!
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Swordsman (6.00) vs Catherine's Archer (4.89)
Turn 197, 455 AD: Combat Odds: 68.1%
Turn 197, 455 AD: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 197, 455 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 197, 455 AD: (City Defense: +95%)
Turn 197, 455 AD: (Hills: +25%)
Turn 197, 455 AD: (City Attack: -30%)
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Swordsman is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Swordsman is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Swordsman is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Swordsman is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: Catherine's Archer is hit for 19 (49/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: Catherine's Archer is hit for 19 (30/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Swordsman is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: Catherine's Archer has defeated VQ's Swordsman!
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Swordsman (6.60) vs Catherine's Spearman (5.60)
Turn 197, 455 AD: Combat Odds: 71.7%
Turn 197, 455 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 197, 455 AD: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 197, 455 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 197, 455 AD: (City Attack: -10%)
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Swordsman is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 21 (79/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Swordsman is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 21 (58/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 21 (37/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Swordsman is hit for 18 (46/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 21 (16/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Swordsman has defeated Catherine's Spearman!
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Swordsman (6.00) vs Catherine's Horse Archer (3.87)
Turn 197, 455 AD: Combat Odds: 90.9%
Turn 197, 455 AD: (City Attack: -55%)
Turn 197, 455 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Swordsman is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Swordsman is hit for 16 (68/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Swordsman has defeated Catherine's Horse Archer!
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Axeman (5.50) vs Catherine's Archer (2.43)
Turn 197, 455 AD: Combat Odds: 99.3%
Turn 197, 455 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 197, 455 AD: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 197, 455 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 197, 455 AD: (City Defense: +95%)
Turn 197, 455 AD: (Hills: +25%)
Turn 197, 455 AD: Catherine's Archer is hit for 20 (10/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Axeman is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Axeman is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Axeman is hit for 19 (43/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: Catherine's Archer is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 197, 455 AD: VQ's Axeman has defeated Catherine's Archer!
Turn 197, 455 AD: You have captured Yekaterinburg!!!
Turn 197, 455 AD: You have destroyed the city of Yekaterinburg!!!
Turn 197, 455 AD: Notre Dame has been built in a far away land!

Turn 198, 470 AD: You have trained a Settler in Memphis. Work has now begun on a Axeman.

Turn 199, 485 AD: You have trained a Catapult in Thebes. Work has now begun on a Swordsman.

Turn 200, 500 AD: Giza has been founded.
Turn 200, 500 AD: VQ's War Chariot (5.50) vs Catherine's Archer (5.25)
Turn 200, 500 AD: Combat Odds: 65.0%
Turn 200, 500 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 200, 500 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 200, 500 AD: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 200, 500 AD: (Fortify: +15%)
Turn 200, 500 AD: (Hills: +25%)
Turn 200, 500 AD: Catherine's Archer is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: Catherine's Archer is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: Catherine's Archer is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: Catherine's Archer is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 19 (43/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: Catherine's Archer is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: VQ's War Chariot has defeated Catherine's Archer!
Turn 200, 500 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer (6.60) vs VQ's Axeman (6.25)
Turn 200, 500 AD: Combat Odds: 65.5%
Turn 200, 500 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 200, 500 AD: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 200, 500 AD: VQ's Axeman is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: VQ's Axeman is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 19 (43/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: VQ's Axeman is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: VQ's Axeman is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 19 (24/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: VQ's Axeman is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer has defeated VQ's Axeman!
Turn 200, 500 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer (6.60) vs VQ's Archer (4.50)
Turn 200, 500 AD: Combat Odds: 89.3%
Turn 200, 500 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 200, 500 AD: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 200, 500 AD: (Hills: +25%)
Turn 200, 500 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 16 (68/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 16 (52/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: VQ's Archer is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: VQ's Archer is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 16 (36/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: VQ's Archer is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 16 (20/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: VQ's Archer is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 16 (4/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: VQ's Archer is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 200, 500 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer has defeated VQ's Archer!

Turn 201, 515 AD: You have constructed a Colosseum in Thebes. Work has now begun on a Swordsman.
Turn 201, 515 AD: Aryabhata has been born in a far away land!

Turn 202, 530 AD: You have plundered 114 from the Mine!
Turn 202, 530 AD: Deal Canceled: Rice to Gandhi for Silk
Turn 202, 530 AD: You have trained a Swordsman in Thebes. Work has now begun on a Axeman.
Turn 202, 530 AD: You have trained a Axeman in Memphis. Work has now begun on a Swordsman.
Turn 202, 530 AD: Thespis has been born in a far away land!
Turn 202, 530 AD: Catherine's Spearman (4.40) vs VQ's War Chariot (3.03)
Turn 202, 530 AD: Combat Odds: 89.1%
Turn 202, 530 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 202, 530 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 202, 530 AD: (Combat: -100%)
Turn 202, 530 AD: (Combat: +25%)
Turn 202, 530 AD: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 202, 530 AD: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 202, 530 AD: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 202, 530 AD: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
Turn 202, 530 AD: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 202, 530 AD: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 16 (68/100HP)
Turn 202, 530 AD: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 16 (52/100HP)
Turn 202, 530 AD: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 202, 530 AD: Catherine's Spearman has defeated VQ's War Chariot!
Turn 202, 530 AD: While defending, your War Chariot was destroyed by a Russian Spearman!
Turn 202, 530 AD: Catherine's Spearman (4.40) vs VQ's War Chariot (2.50)
Turn 202, 530 AD: Combat Odds: 96.8%
Turn 202, 530 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 202, 530 AD: (Combat: -100%)
Turn 202, 530 AD: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 15 (85/100HP)
Turn 202, 530 AD: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 26 (74/100HP)
Turn 202, 530 AD: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 26 (48/100HP)
Turn 202, 530 AD: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 26 (22/100HP)
Turn 202, 530 AD: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 26 (0/100HP)
Turn 202, 530 AD: Catherine's Spearman has defeated VQ's War Chariot!
Turn 202, 530 AD: While defending, your War Chariot was destroyed by a Russian Spearman!

Turn 203, 545 AD: Your Catapult has reduced the defenses of Moscow to 51%!
Turn 203, 545 AD: Your Catapult has reduced the defenses of Moscow to 42%!
Turn 203, 545 AD: Your Catapult has reduced the defenses of Moscow to 33%!
Turn 203, 545 AD: Your Catapult has reduced the defenses of Moscow to 24%!
Turn 203, 545 AD: You have constructed a Lighthouse in Pi-Ramesses. Work has now begun on a Granary.
Turn 203, 545 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer (7.20) vs VQ's Spearman (9.40)
Turn 203, 545 AD: Combat Odds: 22.7%
Turn 203, 545 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 203, 545 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 203, 545 AD: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 203, 545 AD: (Combat: +100%)
Turn 203, 545 AD: VQ's Spearman is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: VQ's Spearman is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: Catherine's Horse Archer is hit for 22 (0/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: VQ's Spearman has defeated Catherine's Horse Archer!
Turn 203, 545 AD: While defending, your Spearman has killed a Russian Horse Archer!
Turn 203, 545 AD: Catherine's Axeman (5.50) vs VQ's Axeman (7.25)
Turn 203, 545 AD: Combat Odds: 22.3%
Turn 203, 545 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 203, 545 AD: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 203, 545 AD: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 203, 545 AD: (Combat: -50%)
Turn 203, 545 AD: (Combat: +50%)
Turn 203, 545 AD: VQ's Axeman is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: Catherine's Axeman is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: VQ's Axeman is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: Catherine's Axeman is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: VQ's Axeman is hit for 17 (49/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: Catherine's Axeman is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: Catherine's Axeman is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: Catherine's Axeman is hit for 22 (0/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: VQ's Axeman has defeated Catherine's Axeman!
Turn 203, 545 AD: While defending, your Axeman has killed a Russian Axeman!
Turn 203, 545 AD: Catherine's Axeman (5.50) vs VQ's War Chariot (5.50)
Turn 203, 545 AD: Combat Odds: 50.0%
Turn 203, 545 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 203, 545 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 203, 545 AD: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: Catherine's Axeman is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: Catherine's Axeman is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: Catherine's Axeman is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: Catherine's Axeman is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: Catherine's Axeman has defeated VQ's War Chariot!
Turn 203, 545 AD: While defending, your War Chariot was destroyed by a Russian Axeman!
Turn 203, 545 AD: Catherine's Spearman (3.34) vs VQ's Swordsman (8.10)
Turn 203, 545 AD: Combat Odds: 0.1%
Turn 203, 545 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 203, 545 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 203, 545 AD: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 203, 545 AD: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 28 (48/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 28 (20/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 28 (0/100HP)
Turn 203, 545 AD: VQ's Swordsman has defeated Catherine's Spearman!
Turn 203, 545 AD: While defending, your Swordsman has killed a Russian Spearman!

Turn 204, 560 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Elephantine!
Turn 204, 560 AD: Your Catapult has reduced the defenses of Moscow to 15%!
Turn 204, 560 AD: Your Catapult has reduced the defenses of Moscow to 6%!
Turn 204, 560 AD: Your Catapult has reduced the defenses of Moscow to 0%!

The save

A bit more animated... I start off by doing the trades as I suggested...
In 335 our power compared like this, look at peacefull Gandhi go?!?!?!

350 ad I dow Cathy and on the next turn the first kill is made, seeing as its a HA and I dont have any Spears... Some spears are ordered up post haste...

I am expecting much more, so I keep hold up in Heliopolis for more to come... It takes her till 410 to muster up another HA which pillages the Pasture on the cows. That same year Taoism is founded
I find no good chances of taking out the HA, so I send in a Chariot in hopes it will retreat... But to my surprise... The RNG must love me....


I cannot take it anymore, If this is all she can throw at me in 4 turns... We are gonna walk all over her...
So I start moving out to Yekaterinburg... In 455 the defences are down to 0...

But a HA, a Spear and a City garrison 2 Archer await me... First I sacrifice an Axe... Then a Sword losses at 68%, the next sword takes the Spear, the one after that takes the HA. The wounded archer survives agonaly long, but the Axe prevails and Yekatering bur is razed...

On my way south I pillage the Horses (hopefully no more HA's) and Pillage the Gems in Cathies teritory (that we can see) I hope it hurts her...
On the Iron mine North of Moscow a lone archer stands fortified... and is promptly killed...

Since there is Buddism in Moscow and we are now next to it, we get to meet the founder of buddism, Cyrus. He offcourse is freinds with Cathy so we get -1...

 

[namliaM]

The Pillaging chariots run into Yakuts... and find a Archer/settler trio, they run back into Yakuts tho....


A couple of HAs jump out of moscow at our stack there... I didnt bring any spears yet so its a slaughter (I will spare you the details) and So I retreat the cats as the spears catch up...

Meanwhile I am trying to sneak around Moscow with 2 Chariots, but they get picked off by spears as well...

Gibbon has done some economic research around the world...


As the stack returns to moscow with Spears this time, we kill an HA, an Axe, Lose a chariot (with medic )

The defending spear gets a promotion tho, so we have a new medic

All that is appearently enough for Cathy as she commes a beggin for peace... But somehow she doesnt like my offer


Handing over...

heliopolis is about to get rid of the -1 happiness of whipping but will grow one more, so is whippable again...

We have a galley heading our way

So I started a galley on our east coast (Pi-Ramesses I think) to try and defend our nets... Suggest whipping it.

If I havent meantioned it before, the new town I founded is building a Obilisk, suggest whipping that to aid in culture building. Then start a Library after that (again Culture) to get to that border on the east ASAP.
Also I left a workboat on a goto to the fishes near there....

And finaly the situation at moscow, which was severly hurt by me not bringing in any Spears to begin with and losing 2 chariots trying to go around Moscow...

 

[dot]

1) Except for buddhism in Moscow - is there any other religion spread in egypt right now?
2) I can't tell if you - as VQ - are going to go for domination or diplomacy right now. Are you decided on this?

Because if you're going for diplomacy picking up hinduism and spreading it might do some help IMHO. As for domination ... If peaceful Gandhi is getting big (in pop or land) this might make it impossible for you anyway. Or am I mistaken

On razing moscow ... a from me

@namliaM: Nice Screenshots of the battle. I really liked them.

@GreyFox: You scare me. Can you read my mind? These beautiful legs were all I ever wanted from the shot of thebes.

 

[ChrTh]

Because if you're going for diplomacy picking up hinduism and spreading it might do some help IMHO. As for domination ... If peaceful Gandhi is getting big (in pop or land) this might make it impossible for you anyway. Or am I mistaken

I believe the game was setup to force us into a Permanent Alliance with Gandhi regardless of whether we were going for Diplomacy or Domination.

 

[bobrath]

Got the save. Will be playing in 3-4 hours if anyone has input or other thoughts.

 

[dot]

I believe the game was setup to force us into a Permanent Alliance with Gandhi regardless of whether we were going for Diplomacy or Domination.

Do you mean, that Gandhi's and your territory will then count as one? I didn't know that this is possible with AI Civs. But I never tried though. Well this would make things easier. Did I get U right?

Edit: What is going on behind Yakutsk??? Maybe you'll find a land connection to gandhi? That'd be good to know. Cause if there's still room enough to settle you might want to move in before your AF buddy does.

 

[ChrTh]

Do you mean, that Gandhi's and your territory will then count as one? I didn't know that this is possible with AI Civs. But I never tried though. Well this would make things easier. Did I get U right?

Yep. PAs count everything together, so an OCC can go for a cultural win by PAing with another Civ (see n0x 02 in the SG forum).

Getting the PA is the hard part. And I'm sure TPTB (the powers that be) made sure that PAing with Gandhi and riding his coattails to victory wouldn't be easy.

 

[ChrTh]

Got the save. Will be playing in 3-4 hours if anyone has input or other thoughts.

My only thought:
KILL CATHY!!!!!!

 

[bobrath]

Getting the PA is the hard part. And I'm sure TPTB (the powers that be) made sure that PAing with Gandhi and riding his coattails to victory wouldn't be easy.

It might be easy, just will take too long to have any reasonable chance at winning or placing in the SG.

 

[ChrTh]

It might be easy, just will take too long to have any reasonable chance at winning or placing in the SG.

That's what I meant by 'victory'

EDIT: Anyone remember that old computer racing game where if a cop tried to pull you over, you could line up behind him and he'd lead you to the finish line? That was great.

 

[namliaM]

Do you mean, that Gandhi's and your territory will then count as one? I didn't know that this is possible with AI Civs. But I never tried though. Well this would make things easier. Did I get U right?

Edit: What is going on behind Yakutsk??? Maybe you'll find a land connection to gandhi? That'd be good to know. Cause if there's still room enough to settle you might want to move in before your AF buddy does.

No land connection, a small waterway (coast-coast) seems to excist tho... Either to Gandhi or Cyrus...

I wasnt expecting more than 5 or so units in moscow after she wasnt sending in any troops

@ChrTh Did you take notice of the defence present at Moscow? Geez, I was expecting Cathy to throw that lot at Heliopolis. Either I moved to fast or Cathy was determained to sit on her troops in Moscow

Moving around moscow would seem hard as well, As she will pop out one after another, just killing our stack...

 

[GreyFox]

There are 9 defenders in Moscow, whereas excluding cats, we only have 8 attackers. not good enough. Need to bring at least 2 more axes to counter the russian axes. I would continue the siege and bring the reinforcement. Hopefully, Cathy is dumb enough to attempt breaking siege, thereby wasting her defenders.

Good luck bob. Just don't go hallucinating and see every city as Nara!

The Power That Be?

EDIT: By the way, excellent turns, namliam! Pleasantly surprised by your ability to amass such a large troop!

 

[dot]

(see n0x 02 in the SG forum)

Can't figure out where to find the info you're refering to. Please

 

[ChrTh]

No land connection, a small waterway (coast-coast) seems to excist tho... Either to Gandhi or Cyrus...

I wasnt expecting more than 5 or so units in moscow after she wasnt sending in any troops

@ChrTh Did you take notice of the defence present at Moscow? Geez, I was expecting Cathy to throw that lot at Heliopolis. Either I moved to fast or Cathy was determained to sit on her troops in Moscow

Moving around moscow would seem hard as well, As she will pop out one after another, just killing our stack...

We have to take care of her, whatever it takes. The longer it takes to eliminate Cathy, the less likely it'll be Team VQ wins the Golden Laurels. If we make peace with her again, she'll remain a thorn in our side and it'll get increasingly harder and harder to get rid of her. Check her current trades and see what she's getting and pillage what she's giving.

 

[ChrTh]

Can't figure out where to find the info you're refering to. Please

Here's the link

 

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I could have checked your signature, hmm? I'm stupid.
But ... thanx for your immediate response .

@bob: Good Luck!