Maquis
King
Also... Good job all... we're the first to get into the AD years! VQ indeed! 
SGOTM 01 - V Q
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ChrTh
Happy Yule!
I just want us to be first in the clubhouse...I don't care if we win 
If we want to be first in the clubhouse, we have to be quick (of course) and win early. So, lets try to do both! 
Unless we are going for the wooden spoon.
I'll play my turns tonight and hopefully I'll have the report up tonight as well, but if I don't it will be up tomorrow.
Unless we are going for the wooden spoon.I'll play my turns tonight and hopefully I'll have the report up tonight as well, but if I don't it will be up tomorrow.
namliaM
Deity
Why hang the trator? Make him work!! If not now then later, as we will have some jungle cutting todo...
Oh wait Cathy is offcourse building workers for us
and we are probably saving some GPT?
GE => HG is good, maybe try and save him for Great lib? Or is that a loooong shot?
Why kill the research man? We need some Acadamies...
Oh wait Cathy is offcourse building workers for us
and we are probably saving some GPT?GE => HG is good, maybe try and save him for Great lib? Or is that a loooong shot?
Why kill the research man? We need some Acadamies...
GreyFox
Make it so ...
#1: we have too many workers ... run out of things for them to do ... I am already pre-building farms in the floodplains in anticipation of the new city ... and yes, it shave 1 gpt off. Now that almost half the teams are slated to overtake us in score, every tiny bit count.
#2: by killing the research man, I mean canceling the research production in Memphis, not scientists. I change dit to settler ... hence the "go make baby"
If you read any of the spoiler, you will find that Great Library is built. Great Lighthouse is also built. That implies our only way out is war, war war. So I suggest people switch off their builder's mode, and prepare to engage permanently in warmonger gear.
@eektor: yes, binary research means its either 0% or 100%, no in between percentage. The idea behind it is to eliminate wasting of commerce due to rounding down. I don't usually do this, but as I say, every bit counts now.
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#2: by killing the research man, I mean canceling the research production in Memphis, not scientists. I change dit to settler ... hence the "go make baby"
If you read any of the spoiler, you will find that Great Library is built. Great Lighthouse is also built. That implies our only way out is war, war war. So I suggest people switch off their builder's mode, and prepare to engage permanently in warmonger gear.
@eektor: yes, binary research means its either 0% or 100%, no in between percentage. The idea behind it is to eliminate wasting of commerce due to rounding down. I don't usually do this, but as I say, every bit counts now.
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Ok, I'll continue doing the binary research.
@GreyFox I didn't read anything about the Great Library and Lighthouse. So I went back and checked. So that's what you meant when you said TGL BINAFL twice.
Even though score is a pretty good indicator of where we are in relationship to the other team, it has nothing to do with winning the game. The earliest date wins not the highest score.
@GreyFox I didn't read anything about the Great Library and Lighthouse. So I went back and checked. So that's what you meant when you said TGL BINAFL twice.
Even though score is a pretty good indicator of where we are in relationship to the other team, it has nothing to do with winning the game. The earliest date wins not the highest score.
namliaM
Deity
#2 ah babies ...
*goes into closset for warmongers outfit*
Didnt read the spoilers yet....
Binary research is not allways best... If you want to get technical about it
Just imagining numbers here
In thebes we may get 15 commerce @ 100% while we get 12 on 90%. In this case 90% is the best as we save 3 commerce so we can stay at 90% longer...
If one wants to get real down and MM-ing... One could also change to lower developed cottages to develop them without losing a fraction and stuff....
Who says there is no more MM-ing?
We need to get scouting and know if indeed we are doomed to this peace of rock or if there is more possibly a crossing to another continent by galley?
*Hind sight = 20-20*
If I had got OBs we could have scouted ahead in Russian lands
we would have know about the southern bronze and possibly pillaged it on turn 1 then russians would be no more...
Learning moment: Dont get cocky and scout scout scout....
*End Hind sight*
*goes into closset for warmongers outfit
*Didnt read the spoilers yet....
Binary research is not allways best... If you want to get technical about it
Just imagining numbers here
In thebes we may get 15 commerce @ 100% while we get 12 on 90%. In this case 90% is the best as we save 3 commerce so we can stay at 90% longer...
If one wants to get real down and MM-ing... One could also change to lower developed cottages to develop them without losing a fraction and stuff....
Who says there is no more MM-ing?We need to get scouting and know if indeed we are doomed to this peace of rock or if there is more possibly a crossing to another continent by galley?
*Hind sight = 20-20*
If I had got OBs we could have scouted ahead in Russian lands
we would have know about the southern bronze and possibly pillaged it on turn 1 then russians would be no more... Learning moment: Dont get cocky and scout scout scout....
*End Hind sight*
that are interesting.
Maquis
King
uh-oh... drumroll....
Ok I don't have too much time so this is going to be straightforward.
Turn 1: 125 AD
Cathy asks for OB, I say no.
Turn 3: 155 AD
Thebes start building Aqueduct
Memphis start building workboat for new city.
Turn 4: 170 AD
Heliopolis builds granary, started on an axeman.
Turn 5: 185 AD
Pi-Ramesses founded. Starts a granary.
Turn 6: 200 AD
Memphis builds workboat, starts building another.
Imhotep born in Thebes.
You want a Hanging Garden - you shall get one!
Pop rushed Aqueduct in Thebes.
Turn 7: 215 AD
Used engineer to rush Hanging Garden.
Turn 8: 230 AD
Met Ghandi.
Hanging Garden built, Thebes starts building swordsman.
Ghandi started a golden age.
Ghandi is the number one score leader in the world as far as we know.
He's also ahead of us technology wise too.
Turn 9: 245 AD
Memphis builds workboat, starts swordsman.
Helip builds axeman, starts swordsman.
Turn 10: 260 AD
Construction discovered, switched to currency
Helio and Memphis changed builds to catapults.
Turn 12: 290 AD
Thebes built swordsman, starts catapult.
Turn 13: 305 AD
I see a galley with a settler in the city of yekarenberg
Turn 14: 320 AD
Elaphantine builds Library, switched to research for now.
Turn 15: 335 AD
Comments:
Gandhi is annoyed at Cathy because of their religious differences.
When we go to war with Cathy, we should try to bring Gandhi in for the relationship boost.
We have one catapult on the way and one that is going to be built in Helio next turn.
We gain 1 gpt at 40% - we need CoL quick. After currency finishes we can research CoL.
I don't know whether that is Cathy or the Incans but my guess its the Incans which is interesting.
I'm thinking we should go for diplomacy because we might be too far behind tech wise
to conquer the other civilizations to get to domination limit.
Turn 1: 125 AD
Cathy asks for OB, I say no.
Turn 3: 155 AD
Thebes start building Aqueduct
Memphis start building workboat for new city.
Turn 4: 170 AD
Heliopolis builds granary, started on an axeman.
Turn 5: 185 AD
Pi-Ramesses founded. Starts a granary.
Turn 6: 200 AD
Memphis builds workboat, starts building another.
Imhotep born in Thebes.
You want a Hanging Garden - you shall get one!
Pop rushed Aqueduct in Thebes.
Turn 7: 215 AD
Used engineer to rush Hanging Garden.
Turn 8: 230 AD
Met Ghandi.
Hanging Garden built, Thebes starts building swordsman.
Ghandi started a golden age.
Ghandi is the number one score leader in the world as far as we know.
He's also ahead of us technology wise too.
Turn 9: 245 AD
Memphis builds workboat, starts swordsman.
Helip builds axeman, starts swordsman.
Turn 10: 260 AD
Construction discovered, switched to currency
Helio and Memphis changed builds to catapults.
Turn 12: 290 AD
Thebes built swordsman, starts catapult.
Turn 13: 305 AD
I see a galley with a settler in the city of yekarenberg
Turn 14: 320 AD
Elaphantine builds Library, switched to research for now.
Turn 15: 335 AD
Comments:
Gandhi is annoyed at Cathy because of their religious differences.
When we go to war with Cathy, we should try to bring Gandhi in for the relationship boost.
We have one catapult on the way and one that is going to be built in Helio next turn.
We gain 1 gpt at 40% - we need CoL quick. After currency finishes we can research CoL.
I don't know whether that is Cathy or the Incans but my guess its the Incans which is interesting.
I'm thinking we should go for diplomacy because we might be too far behind tech wise
to conquer the other civilizations to get to domination limit.
Spoiler :
The color is way too light for Cathy IMO. I'd say it's HC.eektor said:
on going diplomatic ... I usually go for diplomtic or cultural victory - Which i usually gain quite late since I'm not straight forward enough. But I think that it'll be pretty hard going for diplomatic without having a really powerful
. I have no data on adopting a I haven't founded myself - and how this affects diplomacy though.The best choice might (!) be finding your AF and adopting his or her
. Because in this case only your AF will be able to spy your land due to . 
GreyFox
Make it so ...
@namliaM: Don't understand what you are saying there abt binary research ... AFAIK, the commerce that go into gold and the bieakers does not add up to your actual total comerce, hence the use for binary research. That means, the formula is
If the total commerce remains the same, i.e formula is:
then I agee, binary research is a waste of time ... only helps you to research slightly faster.
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@eektor: Good job getting the Hanging Gardens!
I think its the Incans also ... time to build overselves some navy.
I still think that we should whip Helio and declare war, time to go one step forwrad towards winning early. When warring, I still want to point out somethng: its my expereince in every domination win game, its always the land that need catching up instead of pop. So, I will conmtinue advocate to try to keep cities unless they are really crappy.
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Code:
BEAKERS = FLOOR ( RESEARCH% * COMMERCE )
GOLD = FLOOR ( (1.0-RESEARCH%) * COMMERCE )
Code:
BEAKERS = FLOOR ( RESEARCH% * COMMERCE )
GOLD = COMMERCE - BEAKERS--
@eektor: Good job getting the Hanging Gardens!
I think its the Incans also ... time to build overselves some navy.
I still think that we should whip Helio and declare war, time to go one step forwrad towards winning early. When warring, I still want to point out somethng: its my expereince in every domination win game, its always the land that need catching up instead of pop. So, I will conmtinue advocate to try to keep cities unless they are really crappy.
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namliaM
Deity
That makes me UP ! 
Peace brother?
How did you meet? He send a galley?
Wow, 15 turns left on currency
It makes Diplo both easier and harder....
Hind sight... Hmz, is OBs the way to go now? I think we want to be sailing around.. But we are building quite a force... 4 cats should do I think... to start trimming down that culture....
@GreyFox: Running 100% giving 15 base beakers in a town "Wasts" 3/4 of a beaker right?
Well what if running 80% gives us 12 beakers, wasting none... Then we get 3 gold still, ruling out waste...
And rulling out waste is what binary research is all about. But in this case we still have 3/4 waste on 100% so less than 100% is actually optimal ...
Lost myself, but hope it gives you a better idea of what I mean...
Also working smaller cottages to round out ultimatly gets you more beakers, as you are developing lower cottages into more coins... but that is long term offcourse...
Actually I think Moscow is in a crappy place (not worried about overlap). If we (re-)build 1 NE, we get all 3 suggars into play (which we lose 2 otherwize) and open up an extra city spot due SW.
I am just working of this pic of Greyfox' last turn
Yek... burg should be razed right? and rebuild 1S or 1SW? I know 1SW is on the Horses, but it does grab the rice for helping to grow and still gets all the gems... Fill that baby with cottages, a lib and an acadamy.
How are we doing on a GS by the way?
First thing I am gonna do is get OBs and make a boat, I want to sail around our world... see if we cannot meet anyone else...eektor said:
Yay for more citieseektor said:
Eektor puts on warmongers gowneektor said:
How much of a lead?eektor said:
Peace brother?
How did you meet? He send a galley?
Currency will help also...eektor said:
Wow, 15 turns left on currency That norther desert town just got a lot more intresting... 1) Fish, 2) Meeting someone...eektor said:
We have to find our partner in crime ASAP. If we can start relations and get a perminant partnership... We get all his techs and all the things that come with them....eektor said:
It makes Diplo both easier and harder....
Hind sight... Hmz, is OBs the way to go now? I think we want to be sailing around.. But we are building quite a force... 4 cats should do I think... to start trimming down that culture....
@GreyFox: Running 100% giving 15 base beakers in a town "Wasts" 3/4 of a beaker right?
Well what if running 80% gives us 12 beakers, wasting none... Then we get 3 gold still, ruling out waste...
And rulling out waste is what binary research is all about. But in this case we still have 3/4 waste on 100% so less than 100% is actually optimal ...
Lost myself, but hope it gives you a better idea of what I mean...Also working smaller cottages to round out ultimatly gets you more beakers, as you are developing lower cottages into more coins... but that is long term offcourse...
Actually I think Moscow is in a crappy place (not worried about overlap). If we (re-)build 1 NE, we get all 3 suggars into play (which we lose 2 otherwize) and open up an extra city spot due SW.
I am just working of this pic of Greyfox' last turn
Yek... burg should be razed right? and rebuild 1S or 1SW? I know 1SW is on the Horses, but it does grab the rice for helping to grow and still gets all the gems... Fill that baby with cottages
, a lib and an acadamy. How are we doing on a GS by the way?
Even if we do, we (currently) cannot find a way to reach them... That needs some techs yet...GreyFox said:
In my last picture, Gandhi had 1063, HC 600 something, and us at 590.
How would you check if he was are always peace civ?
I don't know how I met him, I didn't see any units in my area when I made contact.
I would have made an OB but I decided it didn't matter because we were going to go warring with Cathy soon.
How would you check if he was are always peace civ?
I don't know how I met him, I didn't see any units in my area when I made contact.
I would have made an OB but I decided it didn't matter because we were going to go warring with Cathy soon.
Maquis
King
The only way to check is to dial him up and try to declare war on him... if he's always peace, then the option to declare is not available.
namliaM
Deity
On Pi-Ramesses, Is that going to be a GP farm? Thus all farms?
or just Science? Just Cottages?
Looking at the save I know how we met Gandhi
Yekateringburg has Hinduism as Religion and Gandy is the hindy Holy city... Thus we met Gandhi by LoS (line of sight)
The way I suggest we rework Russia (Yes with near no overlap for max of Cottages )
I checked and Gandhi is our Always Peace mistery civ... I made open borders and we can do some nice trades...
I have to go do some other stuff for now, but more later
or just Science? Just Cottages?
Looking at the save I know how we met Gandhi
Yekateringburg has Hinduism as Religion and Gandy is the hindy Holy city... Thus we met Gandhi by LoS (line of sight)
The way I suggest we rework Russia (Yes with near no overlap for max of Cottages
)I checked and Gandhi is our Always Peace mistery civ...
I made open borders and we can do some nice trades... I have to go do some other stuff for now, but more later
namliaM
Deity
Some more things in screenies...
Gandhi we can offer him Nothing on the tech department... But we can offer him Rice (our only one currently), but we can trade health for health or health for Happy
Seeing as happy is our biggest concern right now, I would make the trade for a happy resource... This would put 2 people back to work but may cause for some unhealthy people...
Seeing as Gandhi has plantation needing resources in abundance he has got Calander for quite some time now...
I allready opened borders and reshuffled some tiles. Also fired the Scientists for a bit as I turned down science to 0 for now and stopped producing science in favour of a granary in Elephantine...
I opened borders with gandhi to promote the relationship a bit
Russia we can get some techs from, which is nice. Unfortunatly it requires us trading Construction (Catapults) and we cannot get HBR from her... Not even 1 on 1.
The deal offcourse is way out of wack...
178 (medi) + 223 (poly) + 223-97 (sailing) = 527 <=> 783 Constr.
I would take the deal... But only just before DoWing... On the otherhand it might indicate that she is researching construction and HBR (559) is just to costly vs the other trades...
On other plans I intend to found a city in that NW dessert near that new border...
Did anyone notice this? Due SW of Cathy??? This is where Gandhi must be hiding...
Please let me know what yall think, so I can play tomorrow (hopefully before diner)
Gandhi we can offer him Nothing on the tech department... But we can offer him Rice (our only one currently), but we can trade health for health or health for Happy
Seeing as happy is our biggest concern right now, I would make the trade for a happy resource... This would put 2 people back to work but may cause for some unhealthy people...
Seeing as Gandhi has plantation needing resources in abundance he has got Calander for quite some time now...
I allready opened borders and reshuffled some tiles. Also fired the Scientists for a bit as I turned down science to 0 for now and stopped producing science in favour of a granary in Elephantine...
I opened borders with gandhi to promote the relationship a bit
Russia we can get some techs from, which is nice. Unfortunatly it requires us trading Construction (Catapults) and we cannot get HBR from her... Not even 1 on 1.
The deal offcourse is way out of wack...
178 (medi) + 223 (poly) + 223-97 (sailing) = 527 <=> 783 Constr.
I would take the deal... But only just before DoWing... On the otherhand it might indicate that she is researching construction and HBR (559) is just to costly vs the other trades...
On other plans I intend to found a city in that NW dessert near that new border...
Did anyone notice this? Due SW of Cathy??? This is where Gandhi must be hiding...
Please let me know what yall think, so I can play tomorrow (hopefully before diner)
GreyFox
Make it so ...
I think its a mistake to pull down all the cities Cathy so kindly built for us just so that there is no city overlap. You waste so many precious turns to divert resources and growth into the building of settlers, and also lost so many commerce and hammers russian cities would produce if you have kept them.
SO all these lost turns, production and commerce gain you what? Merely city with little/no overlap. Again I ask: how many of these cities you expect to be able to reach size 21?
Granted, in the very long run, razing and re-settling may gives better result, but that is in the very long run. If I had it my way, we would already have won the game in the half the time.
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Good job recon on Gandhi. SO that means Gandhi is our AP buddy? Hmm ... an agressive AI like Monty may be a better AP partner. Gandhi would simply take up some much land that to stop us from winning early domination .... Make the trade of rice for pig, namliaM. Once the russian gems come on line, we can trade it to him as well, for gpt (assuming currency is researched). Yes, a happiness or health resources might serve us better in the short term, but getting gold from Ganhdi has two main advantages: (1) the gold helps fund our higher research, (2) if we keep upping the gpt everytime Gandhi has spare gold available, it will slowly force Gandhi to tune down his own research. A maybe advantage: (3) selling resource may have a higher boost to relationship than barter trading.
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SO all these lost turns, production and commerce gain you what? Merely city with little/no overlap. Again I ask: how many of these cities you expect to be able to reach size 21?
Granted, in the very long run, razing and re-settling may gives better result, but that is in the very long run. If I had it my way, we would already have won the game in the half the time.
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Good job recon on Gandhi. SO that means Gandhi is our AP buddy? Hmm ... an agressive AI like Monty may be a better AP partner. Gandhi would simply take up some much land that to stop us from winning early domination .... Make the trade of rice for pig, namliaM. Once the russian gems come on line, we can trade it to him as well, for gpt (assuming currency is researched). Yes, a happiness or health resources might serve us better in the short term, but getting gold from Ganhdi has two main advantages: (1) the gold helps fund our higher research, (2) if we keep upping the gpt everytime Gandhi has spare gold available, it will slowly force Gandhi to tune down his own research. A maybe advantage: (3) selling resource may have a higher boost to relationship than barter trading.
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