SGOTM 02 - VQ Red
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dot said:
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There's a starman waiting in the sky
He'd like to come and meet us
But he thinks he'd blow our minds
There's a starman waiting in the sky
He's told us not to blow it
Cause he knows it's all worthwhile
. . .
There's a starman waiting in the sky
He'd like to come and meet us
But he thinks he'd blow our minds
There's a starman waiting in the sky
He's told us not to blow it
Cause he knows it's all worthwhile
. . .
Maquis
King
I don't see any problem with forging ahead... most input has been the same... continue buildup, especially cats once construction is in.
GreyFox
Make it so ...
I was going to suggest dot to alternate for Krockel ... 
Dot, suggest you PM AlanH.
armstrong ... agree, its whether you like suiciding cats or not. So you can go (A) heavy on cats for suiciding, and the swords are just for cleanup, axes for protecting the stack, or (B) moderate on cats for defense bombardment, swords does the hardwork, axes for protection.
I hate losing uits, so I usually go the (B) route. But after considering the situation, I am now more inclined to agree with the (A) route. Our advantage against Isabella is we have these feline stone throwers, might as well fully leverage such an advantage.
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Dot, suggest you PM AlanH.armstrong ... agree, its whether you like suiciding cats or not. So you can go (A) heavy on cats for suiciding, and the swords are just for cleanup, axes for protecting the stack, or (B) moderate on cats for defense bombardment, swords does the hardwork, axes for protection.
I hate losing uits, so I usually go the (B) route. But after considering the situation, I am now more inclined to agree with the (A) route. Our advantage against Isabella is we have these feline stone throwers, might as well fully leverage such an advantage.
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Dear Fox - and all other Reds as well,
the following has been extracted from Mr. Alan's kind reply:
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the following has been extracted from Mr. Alan's kind reply:
I assume the official part is settled. The question is rather whether you/we want to have the total number of players being uneven - even so there'd still be only six active players? That's the question I'm tossing at your brains.AlanH said:I've added you to their roster of players, so you can step in any time they agree. You'll just have to make your peace with VQ Black if you're supposed to have the same number of players.
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dot said:I assume the official part is settled. The question is rather whether you/we want to have the total number of players being uneven - even so there'd still be only six active players? That's the question I'm tossing at your brains.
Is this really a question? As far as I'm concerned you're part of the team, and if that means having an "uneven" number of players - active or otherwise - so be it!
1. have sword on gem mine to NE fortify on the mine.
2. have archer > sentry on hill W of seville for monitoring./// science @ 70% -1 gpt, drop to 0% for some quick cash///3 spanish archers show up at circassin (barb city), barbs have 3 archers defending.
3. Spanish archers do not attack, infact they turn around.///will leave science at 0% until 100 gold. @57 gaining 29gpt
4. gold at 86
5. adjust science to 100% to have construction in 4. ///barb axe came out of fog to the W of circassin
6. barb axe died attacking our axe outside circassin///Osaka finished sword>axe///sword>fortify for now///
7. worker to W of Osaka finished cottage>build another cottage///
8. barb archer died attacking our axe W of circassin
9. construction>currency///drop science to 50% to gain 4 gpt, curr in 27
10. great lighthouse built in far away land
11. not ready for the war yet so yes
12. anarchy over///worker finished cottage>go to forest SW of Osaka
13. Osaka finished axe>cat///axe fortify in Osaka for now///worker begin chop of forest///Spanish archers return to circassin with the aid of axes
14. Spanish capture circassin
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16.
17. workers finished chop (44 hammers) so Osaka finished first cat>cat///cat sleep for now///send worker to forest NW of Osaka///see Spanish settler (another one) escorted by 2 archer W of osaka
18. worker>begin chop
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20.
well, got a couple cats in and another on the way. she is growing like a weed!
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/civ4sgotm2/VQ_Red_SG002_AD0230_01.Civ4SavedGame
2. have archer > sentry on hill W of seville for monitoring./// science @ 70% -1 gpt, drop to 0% for some quick cash///3 spanish archers show up at circassin (barb city), barbs have 3 archers defending.
3. Spanish archers do not attack, infact they turn around.///will leave science at 0% until 100 gold. @57 gaining 29gpt
4. gold at 86
5. adjust science to 100% to have construction in 4. ///barb axe came out of fog to the W of circassin
6. barb axe died attacking our axe outside circassin///Osaka finished sword>axe///sword>fortify for now///
7. worker to W of Osaka finished cottage>build another cottage///
8. barb archer died attacking our axe W of circassin
9. construction>currency///drop science to 50% to gain 4 gpt, curr in 27
10. great lighthouse built in far away land
11. not ready for the war yet so yes
12. anarchy over///worker finished cottage>go to forest SW of Osaka
13. Osaka finished axe>cat///axe fortify in Osaka for now///worker begin chop of forest///Spanish archers return to circassin with the aid of axes
14. Spanish capture circassin
15.
16.
17. workers finished chop (44 hammers) so Osaka finished first cat>cat///cat sleep for now///send worker to forest NW of Osaka///see Spanish settler (another one) escorted by 2 archer W of osaka
18. worker>begin chop
19.
20.
well, got a couple cats in and another on the way. she is growing like a weed!
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/civ4sgotm2/VQ_Red_SG002_AD0230_01.Civ4SavedGame
GreyFox
Make it so ...
Good job!
Let Izzy settle, she is only hurting her own economy.
We should recall our fogbusters now that Izzy's cities are doing the job for us
Warmest welcome to dot! Suggest you take Krocel's spot, which means you are on deck! The roster is now:
Maquis
GreyFox
Scowler
Codeman == Just Played
armstrong == UP
Krockel == OoP til 4th September
dot == On Deck
Let Izzy settle, she is only hurting her own economy.
We should recall our fogbusters now that Izzy's cities are doing the job for us
Warmest welcome to dot! Suggest you take Krocel's spot, which means you are on deck! The roster is now:
Maquis
GreyFox
Scowler
Codeman == Just Played
armstrong == UP
Krockel == OoP til 4th September
dot == On Deck
armstrong
Prince
Got it! I'll take a look at the save in a few, and play in about 12 hours. I'm looking to get this war started sooner rather than later...
I think AlanH's reply regarding even and odd numbers was if there'd be some strife between the VQ teams with mismatched rosters... unless I misread it. 7 is a heavenly number! YHWH/RNG 2.0 won't fail us (once we capture his shrine, that is...)
I think AlanH's reply regarding even and odd numbers was if there'd be some strife between the VQ teams with mismatched rosters... unless I misread it. 7 is a heavenly number! YHWH/RNG 2.0 won't fail us (once we capture his shrine, that is...
)
Maquis
King
Damn, we need to do something about Izzy, and soon. She's going to gobble up that whole continent, and before you know it she's going to be too advanced to take her out!
I think a couple more cats, and we need to sound the trumpets!
I think a couple more cats, and we need to sound the trumpets!
GreyFox
Make it so ...
Uh ... just noticed one thing ... why are we chopping the tress inside the BFC? There are lots of trees outside!!!
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armstrong
Prince
OUCH! 
Distance costs are up to -12 gpt in Osaka? That's ridiculous. I didn't know they scaled with pop size or city number... I must say, I dislike games where the rules aren't documented...
We're also paying 5 gpt for our fogbusters... I bet slinky lizzy can take some of those costs off our hands. But, even if we pull the troops from the frontlines, I don't see how (on Epic) I can declare this turn with only one cat. At best, I could build up 4 or so to set . up. So I guess I just build cats, then and whip gardens? Or do y'all think otherwise? I imagine we'll be up against LB's pretty soon, so I don't see any other window to hit Madrid, maybe Barc, though...
Distance costs are up to -12 gpt in Osaka? That's ridiculous. I didn't know they scaled with pop size or city number... I must say, I dislike games where the rules aren't documented...We're also paying 5 gpt for our fogbusters... I bet slinky lizzy can take some of those costs off our hands. But, even if we pull the troops from the frontlines, I don't see how (on Epic) I can declare this turn with only one cat. At best, I could build up 4 or so to set . up. So I guess I just build cats, then and whip gardens? Or do y'all think otherwise? I imagine we'll be up against LB's pretty soon, so I don't see any other window to hit Madrid, maybe Barc, though...
armstrong
Prince
GreyFox said:Uh ... just noticed one thing ... why are we chopping the tress inside the BFC? There are lots of trees outside!!!
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If we take Madrid, we gain 5 health resources. So health won't matter
GreyFox
Make it so ...
Counting the chickens before they hatch, eh?
Yep, maintenance scale with pop size, that's why earlier I suggested turning on avoid growth for city reaching happiness limit ... until one turn before we are ready to do a 2-pop whip. Some thing like that
I wonder how is Edo doing ... with the pasture in, its hammer yield should be increased, hopefully that allow a whip of the aqueduct (overflow into hanging garderns), and quickly connect up the northern clams for whip of the garden.
There should also be a cultural pop at Tokyo. Wonder if there is more lands up north ...
Yep, maintenance scale with pop size, that's why earlier I suggested turning on avoid growth for city reaching happiness limit ... until one turn before we are ready to do a 2-pop whip. Some thing like that
I wonder how is Edo doing ... with the pasture in, its hammer yield should be increased, hopefully that allow a whip of the aqueduct (overflow into hanging garderns), and quickly connect up the northern clams for whip of the garden.
There should also be a cultural pop at Tokyo. Wonder if there is more lands up north ...
armstrong
Prince
GreyFox said:
I know the city upkeep & stuff grew, but I had no idea that distance costs scaled. That's not good at all. We should NOT have gone the currency route, should have more or less beelined for CoL. We're in a pickle here...
GreyFox said:
Hanging Gardens were built in a distant land last turnset...
GreyFox said:
Nope. But Edo still has a border pop when it's Library comes in.
To everyone:
I've played two turns. I was getting ready to declare on Isabella in a few, but I'm getting worried. Here's the deal -
We're currently paying 13gpt cost in Osaka. I estimate any new cities are going to cost around 10 to 15 (when they grow.) We're making 26 gpt right now at 100% gold, though we could grab a few more to prevent disbanding if we had to by switching off scientists in the island cities (though that would delay research.)
Realistically, we can't afford to capture more than one city until we get CoL, nor can we move the palace before we have courthouses whipped in the island cities. However, I could take Barcelona during my turn pretty easily (it only had 2 archers last turn) right now with it's shrine with the 3 swords and 3 cats currently available. I don't think Judaism has spread in more than 4 cities at most, however, so it would slow down our teching to CoL pretty substantially.
Just sitting on our military & fogbusters will cost us money, too, though. I don't know - what do you all think? Declare war this turnset and take Barcelona, then wait for CoL? Maybe raze some of izzy's cities just to slow her down? Or just focus on building up a stronger force that can go the distance to Madrid, and wait for CoL to come in?
armstrong
Prince
Another quick question regarding SGOTM, if anyone knows - I saved a copy of the game 2 turns into it. Do I have to submit that game before playing again?
Hey armstrong,
I assume that you can go on with playing and post the save as soon as all your turns are done. This assumption is based on the fact that you are up and that you are allowed to post interim saves. Even though they shouldn't become kind of a standard. But to verify this assumption just try and PM AlanH.
Regards, .
I assume that you can go on with playing and post the save as soon as all your turns are done. This assumption is based on the fact that you are up and that you are allowed to post interim saves. Even though they shouldn't become kind of a standard. But to verify this assumption just try and PM AlanH.
Regards, .
armstrong
Prince
Any suggestions on whether to take Barcelona or not? Right now I'm planning on it just to slow Izzy down. I'll finish up in two hours.
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