namliaM
Deity
As for commerce and such waying Orange vs Yellow vs Cyan 2 well... I am not a fan of Cyan 2... but you guessed that I guess 
SGOTM 04 - Team VQ
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GreyFox
Make it so ...
Boy, don't we love huts ...
Meanwhile, someone has been secretly building a Parthenon ...
Gandhi has load of ships in Birka, featuring a galley.
And it unloaded his fearful SoD:
Now, that's good baldy. Time to teach you some warfare. (Alert: Look where Khan's settling party is heading!!!)
Turn out Gandhi knew a bit of warfare tactics:
He first move his sword to our an open area, dangering our gems and farm. I decided not to attack then, as the reinforcement is still 2 turns away, and he can't pillage until he is on the tile (only one movement).
Next, Gandhi's jungle sword remains unmoved, while his sword head towards our gem. Time to attack!!
This results in one dead sword on the gem mine, but also our city is now protected by an archer and a chariot. Gandhi use this chance to attack and killed our archer. Hmm ... is this his intention? I'm impressed!
But too bad, our reinforcement arrives, and easily dispatched his injured sword. So stats this round: US: 1 archer - BALDY: 2 swords
Meanwhile, I MM'ed the axe so that it has 51/52 hammers completed, and whip it to overflow into the great library. Coupled with the hammers stored in library by namliaM and the forests chops:
What happens to Khan's settling party? What about our own settler?
Why, I did put some hammers into settler while waiting for Literature to come in. But he was a turn too late:
Damned ... why does AI always choose such dubious sites? Now we have to raze that city instead of keeping it!
>>> The Save (125AD) <<<
Meanwhile, someone has been secretly building a Parthenon ...
Gandhi has load of ships in Birka, featuring a galley.
And it unloaded his fearful SoD:
Now, that's good baldy. Time to teach you some warfare. (Alert: Look where Khan's settling party is heading!!!)
Turn out Gandhi knew a bit of warfare tactics:
He first move his sword to our an open area, dangering our gems and farm. I decided not to attack then, as the reinforcement is still 2 turns away, and he can't pillage until he is on the tile (only one movement).
Next, Gandhi's jungle sword remains unmoved, while his sword head towards our gem. Time to attack!!
This results in one dead sword on the gem mine, but also our city is now protected by an archer and a chariot. Gandhi use this chance to attack and killed our archer. Hmm ... is this his intention? I'm impressed!
But too bad, our reinforcement arrives, and easily dispatched his injured sword. So stats this round: US: 1 archer - BALDY: 2 swords
Meanwhile, I MM'ed the axe so that it has 51/52 hammers completed, and whip it to overflow into the great library. Coupled with the hammers stored in library by namliaM and the forests chops:
What happens to Khan's settling party? What about our own settler?
Why, I did put some hammers into settler while waiting for Literature to come in. But he was a turn too late:
Damned ... why does AI always choose such dubious sites? Now we have to raze that city instead of keeping it!
>>> The Save (125AD) <<<
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namliaM
Deity
Guess that was worth a scout and a Galley 
Wow Gandhi landed some troops good for him and a nice little stack too 4 swords.... Guess we need to keep atleast 3 fighting men in Birka to make sure it doesnt fall untill we want it too.
Not so good with the settler from Khaaan, guess this means war a bit earlier...
Fox said:
we got the Lib Tho I dont know about the 1 pop whip, it gives a bad convertion rate and the +1 
But wow... you whipped
Hinduism has spread: Karakorum (Mongolian Empire)
Nice... more $$
Bjørgvin finishes: Worker
Another
???Nidaros begins: Aqueduct
Why an aqueduct? I dont recon we need the heath, dont we need some Axemen or something?
Turn 171, 65 AD: Genghis Khan converts to Hinduism!
This is nice, I dont think he will attack us now anytime soon... unless we attack him
Why did you retreat our galley tho??? There are Orange borders WEST of Tabriz, why not keep the Galley (and possibly a Trireme escort?) there in case either of them borders expand??
We are currently producing 11GPP in Nadiros with 2 sources for Priests and 3 for GS. Thus a 60% change for a GS.
MC => Machinery => Compass => Optics will take us (currently) 72 turns.
Where popping 2 GPs will take (750-88)/11=60 turns.
Then we still have to research or trade for Calander, hopefully our research rate will jump up somewhat...
I think Nadiros and Haithabu need some MM-ing...
Haithabu IMHO needs to work the Cottage not the forrest.
Nadiros work the Lake not the plains forrest.
We are starting to run into the health cap, maybe we can trade our marble for sheep with Khaaan for a bit untill our own sheep is connected. Ah, thats why the Aquaduct in Nadiros
I noticed that Khaaan doesnt have Copper, but does have Iron (or will soon have). Next set should be mostly about military build up I think?? If we can get some 3 cats together, these can knock of most of the culture defence in 2 turns. And some Axemen/Swords with CR, some Spears for defence against those HAs... we are good to go...
Nadiros can make an Axe/Spear in ~3 turns, so within one set we should be able to produce atleast 4
Roster
namliaM -- +1 gmt (Actually 0 atm due to DST)
Greyfox -- +8 gmt > Went and
Maquis -- -7 gmt > UP
Bobrath -- -5 gmt > On deck
Healium -- +1 gmt -- Auto skip due to a Herniated disk *Good luck man* and be well
Scowler -- gmt > Due for some Khaaan bashing?
Frankcor-- -5 gmt <Lurker>
Cosmichail -- -5gmt > Most definate Basher!
GreyFox
Make it so ...
I whipped quite a few actually. The library in Haithabu and the worker in Bjorvin, and a Granary somewhere I think.
As for the whip on Nidaros, well, since Nidaros is abt to grow one more, with no improved tiles to work on, I decide to whip for overflow.
Well, the forest chops drops our health cap, which you found out eventually. I purposely MM'ed Haithabu to work on the forest for some reason in the middle of my turns ... (forgot what is the reason now).
No idea abt Nidaros, think I didn't look at the the city after TGL was built.
There are way too many Gandhi's triremes in Birka ... our lone trireme provides no protection. In fact, if I were Gandhi, I would have attacked our lone trireme with 2 triremes.
After construction, we should consider heading towards optics.
BTW, I did not revolt to HR. Didn't see a point in revolting now since we are still doing okay in terms of happiness.
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As for the whip on Nidaros, well, since Nidaros is abt to grow one more, with no improved tiles to work on, I decide to whip for overflow.
Well, the forest chops drops our health cap, which you found out eventually. I purposely MM'ed Haithabu to work on the forest for some reason in the middle of my turns ... (forgot what is the reason now
).No idea abt Nidaros, think I didn't look at the the city after TGL was built.
There are way too many Gandhi's triremes in Birka ... our lone trireme provides no protection. In fact, if I were Gandhi, I would have attacked our lone trireme with 2 triremes.
After construction, we should consider heading towards optics.
BTW, I did not revolt to HR. Didn't see a point in revolting now since we are still doing okay in terms of happiness.
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bobrath
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Great work as always GreyFox.
So do we settle Orange now (since yellow is out of reach for the short term)? One thing I noticed is that unless we've got some other roads set up, Tiflis just neatly cut Cyan1 off from our trade network (when we lose OB with Khaaaan). Its also on a hill. SIGH.
We need to be careful about losing any units to Ghandi since there will be no way to remove the WW created by it - thus happy producing buildings and techs (and resources) should always have a higher priority then normal.
So do we settle Orange now (since yellow is out of reach for the short term)? One thing I noticed is that unless we've got some other roads set up, Tiflis just neatly cut Cyan1 off from our trade network (when we lose OB with Khaaaan). Its also on a hill. SIGH.
We need to be careful about losing any units to Ghandi since there will be no way to remove the WW created by it - thus happy producing buildings and techs (and resources) should always have a higher priority then normal.
namliaM
Deity
When OBs are lost, yes... Uppsala will be cut off from the rest of our empire! But with only 1 archer defending it, 3 Axemen should be able to liberate the yellow spot and open up the route once more.
On where to send the settler, I dont really know. We cannot really spare the workers I think to start chopping the Jungle right now. But sending it to Cyan 2 would require to defend another (frontline) city to Gandhi AND Khaaan (when the time comes).
Re: Haithabu, I think the forrest is beeing worked for hammers. Without the forrest its a 7hpt city. 9 with it. That is the differenct between a 8 turn Axe and 6 turn Axe. But I think that city in particular we want to work all the cottages we can.
I agree with Grey to go for Optics soon, tho Currency, CoL and Calander are up there on the priority list as well. I dont see any point in upping the happy when we are at or over the health limit and below the happy cap.
I noticed Khaaan allready had Calander, so maybe we can trade him for MC? This also makes meeting the Orange civ that little bit more important => New civ = more trading possibilities...
About WW, this is not completely true, as I understand it you ALLWAYS lose some WW points. 1% of your total (rounded UP) or 1 point minimum, if you are at war or not doesnt matter, beeing at permenant war makes it slightly better!
Or atleast that is the way it is told in the War Weariness Mechanics article by Krikitone on 1.61. Dont know if it has changed...
If that article is correct, for losing the Archer we got 2 WW points
For killing 2 Swords on defence (right?) 2*3 = 6
For attacking on our own grounds and killing the last sword 1 a total of 9
This is multiplied by 50% for beeing in a state of permenant war
World size Standard = 90%
I am not sure how Monarch level figures into this (I dont see a dificulty level modifier) and also the Era we (or the AIs) are in has something to do with it....
But as far as I figure it we encured 90% of 50% of 9 WW points = 4.05 points
We are still in the early goings, so era doesnt come much into it.
Devided by 200 = 2 percent of our pop was WW unhappy. At size 10 you dont get 1 unhappy untill atleast 10%
While this drops 1 point/turn. Making us WW free 9 turns after the altercation.
On where to send the settler, I dont really know. We cannot really spare the workers I think to start chopping the Jungle right now. But sending it to Cyan 2 would require to defend another (frontline) city to Gandhi AND Khaaan (when the time comes).
Re: Haithabu, I think the forrest is beeing worked for hammers. Without the forrest its a 7hpt city. 9 with it. That is the differenct between a 8 turn Axe and 6 turn Axe. But I think that city in particular we want to work all the cottages we can.
I agree with Grey to go for Optics soon, tho Currency, CoL and Calander are up there on the priority list as well. I dont see any point in upping the happy when we are at or over the health limit and below the happy cap.
I noticed Khaaan allready had Calander, so maybe we can trade him for MC? This also makes meeting the Orange civ that little bit more important => New civ = more trading possibilities...
About WW, this is not completely true, as I understand it you ALLWAYS lose some WW points. 1% of your total (rounded UP) or 1 point minimum, if you are at war or not doesnt matter, beeing at permenant war makes it slightly better!
Or atleast that is the way it is told in the War Weariness Mechanics article by Krikitone on 1.61. Dont know if it has changed...
If that article is correct, for losing the Archer we got 2 WW points
For killing 2 Swords on defence (right?) 2*3 = 6
For attacking on our own grounds and killing the last sword 1 a total of 9
This is multiplied by 50% for beeing in a state of permenant war
World size Standard = 90%
I am not sure how Monarch level figures into this (I dont see a dificulty level modifier) and also the Era we (or the AIs) are in has something to do with it....
But as far as I figure it we encured 90% of 50% of 9 WW points = 4.05 points
We are still in the early goings, so era doesnt come much into it.
Devided by 200 = 2 percent of our pop was WW unhappy. At size 10 you dont get 1 unhappy untill atleast 10%
While this drops 1 point/turn. Making us WW free 9 turns after the altercation.
GreyFox
Make it so ...
On WW:
Your interpretation of the article is definitely not the same as how I read it. Firstly, the article says: "Combat Actions: only gained where you are not Culturally dominant". Since we are obviously culturally dominant when the archer was lost, or when the swords were slain, there shouldn't be WW resulting from it.
And it does not mention each turn is a minimum of one. It says each turn you do not have a combat is -1. So WW will actually decrease if you don't do combat for a long number of turns. To quote the article: "you can do ~1 Combat every 1-3 turns and not increase your WW."
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Yes, most likely I needed the hammers when I MM'd it to wok on the forest rather than the cottage.
I would settle orange first.We don't have to chop every jungle at once. We just have to chop them as fast as the city grows, which will be quite slow initially.
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Your interpretation of the article is definitely not the same as how I read it. Firstly, the article says: "Combat Actions: only gained where you are not Culturally dominant". Since we are obviously culturally dominant when the archer was lost, or when the swords were slain, there shouldn't be WW resulting from it.
And it does not mention each turn is a minimum of one. It says each turn you do not have a combat is -1. So WW will actually decrease if you don't do combat for a long number of turns. To quote the article: "you can do ~1 Combat every 1-3 turns and not increase your WW."
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Yes, most likely I needed the hammers when I MM'd it to wok on the forest rather than the cottage.
I would settle orange first.We don't have to chop every jungle at once. We just have to chop them as fast as the city grows, which will be quite slow initially.
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namliaM
Deity
@Fox Yes again you are right, seems like we didnt get any WW
Gandhi did get some... but that cannot be helped I think and for AI I think WW is reduced considerably...
Gandhi did get some... but that cannot be helped I think and for AI I think WW is reduced considerably...
What fool suggested loading a scout onto a galley?
Oh, that would be me. ::glyph of frankcor buffing nails::
Maquis
King
Ok, I see the file, planning on playing in about 24 hours.
So what are the opinions on cyan? Should we try to settle at this point? Or do we want to start some major buildup for Khaaaan?
So what are the opinions on cyan? Should we try to settle at this point? Or do we want to start some major buildup for Khaaaan?
GreyFox
Make it so ...
The settler is already there, the escort (albeit a lowly warrior) is already there, so there is no real conflict between the two options you say, Maquis
i.e. you can both settle and build up troops (and give felines as pets, will you?)
i.e. you can both settle and build up troops (and give felines as pets, will you?)
namliaM
Deity
I (personaly) dont like/need Cyan 2 as for the low food situation, it has "pretty" high upkeep and it will take a good while for it to pay for itself.
If we are planning on moving Orange to that dot (one south from where Fox painted it) we should also move Cyan 2 one south.
Cyan 2 is going to need chain farming + lighthouse to be anything real and even then... IMHO to much upkeep for to little gain.
If we are planning on moving Orange to that dot (one south from where Fox painted it) we should also move Cyan 2 one south.
Cyan 2 is going to need chain farming + lighthouse to be anything real and even then... IMHO to much upkeep for to little gain.
namliaM
Deity
Hmz... I hope we can look forward to a set today....
Maquis
King
Turns are played, need a couple hours for the writeup.. lots going on!
Such as...
Such as...
GreyFox
Make it so ...
namliaM
Deity
Now that is what I call a spoiler 
How come he declares? We are not that low on power and we share religion! *GRMBL*
How come he declares? We are not that low on power and we share religion! *GRMBL*
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