No sign of the temple of salomon yet?
edit : did someone try to actually gift gandhi some units? maybe we could gift him a great person
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SGOTM 04 - Trash Team
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edit : did someone try to actually gift gandhi some units? maybe we could gift him a great person
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pigswill
fly (one day)
Take your time stuge.
Don't listen to this neurotic bunch
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Nice to know that the set's been played
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Don't listen to this neurotic bunch
.Nice to know that the set's been played
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patagonia
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The purpose of our strategy is to gift Gandhi a strong, secure position from which he can power his way to the stars. In no way will a few junk cities built merely to plug a gap or two some other AI is stupid enough to settle in help with that. Such cities will be a drag on his economy rather than a benefit.
Any AI cities on our current island that aren't Gandhis will be isolated and cause their owners more harm than benefit. The AI is never smart enough to use such colonies as a launching point for an invasion, so beyond denying him a couple of useless tiles they won't cause Gandhi any harm, and if their culture gets too developed before we get the chance to evacuate (hopefully an unlikely eventuality), we can always cleanse the area as we leave.
Assuming we can eventually get him to cross the channel, his units will massively outnumber theirs, so any military strife should relations be frosty will be their problem rather than his. Just look at the power graph, he's streets ahead of everyone (including us), just with all his units sat in his cities as MPs.
As for targets, I think we need to remain fairly flexible and play it by ear. We're nearing what will be the height of our power for quite a long time (assuming independence day becomes a reality) and have a veteran army capable of decimating the defences of any AI out there from a position of relative impunity (our galleons). There's therefore an argument for taking out whoever's shaping to be Gandhi's long-term rival, rather than someone who's already been crippled and out of the space race.
I'm not saying we should definitely go after Hannibal rather than Washington, just that we shouldn't rule out any target in particular until Gandhi makes his move; then head for the most appropriate in keeping with our long-term strategy of helping Gandhi to as early a space win as possible.
stuge
Emperor
The Viking council, allting, took some pretty hard measures this round to teach Gandhi the meaning of war.
Firstly, many northern cities were deprived of their garrisons and the citizens were forced to erect huge signs on the lines of: "We definetly don't want to be invaded", according to the dogma of reverse psychology, a novel idea. This caused some unrest but that was trivial when compared to the Greater Good.
Secondly, jester parties were equipped with megaphones and really striking costumes and positioned on the channel's east bank. They were then told to caper on the beach and shout things like "Gandhi is a chicken, a chicken..."
Thirdly, two historic raids were made into Indian territory, in the forms of the First Crusade...
... and the second crusade.
Even though all the brave raiders perished, their deaths were surely great contributions to the Greater Good.
A third, better equipped, landing party is being assembled.
But, alas, despite all these valiant efforts and sacrifices, Gandhi's forces refused to attack.
![[pissed]](/images/smilies/pissed.gif "Pissed [pissed]")
Okay, now I feel a little better, but that doesn't change the facts. I'm all out of ideas here and feeling helpless. Gandhi just won't come across. I even sunk a couple of his ships. Judaism spread to Birka and will soon spread to Uppsala.
What can we do anymore? Gandhi popped a GS and adopted mercantilism, but that isn't the right kind of progress.
As for other things, I accepted this deal.
Hopefully Gandhi will ask him to cancel it.
These two I turned down.
I didn't build any fill in the gaps-settlers, mostly for the reasons pago listed above. That allowed Mehmed to do this.
May that little piece of junk do him much good.
This cheered me up a little.
Hey, better in our pocket than Genghis', ain't I right?
By running a slight defict, we can get chemistry in nine turns. Washington looks to me like the best target. He's weak, disliked and built the Kong Miao this round to boot. Doesn't matter a fig, though, if Gandhi continues to be a moron.
The save.
Firstly, many northern cities were deprived of their garrisons and the citizens were forced to erect huge signs on the lines of: "We definetly don't want to be invaded", according to the dogma of reverse psychology, a novel idea. This caused some unrest but that was trivial when compared to the Greater Good.
Secondly, jester parties were equipped with megaphones and really striking costumes and positioned on the channel's east bank. They were then told to caper on the beach and shout things like "Gandhi is a chicken, a chicken..."
Thirdly, two historic raids were made into Indian territory, in the forms of the First Crusade...
... and the second crusade.
Even though all the brave raiders perished, their deaths were surely great contributions to the Greater Good.
A third, better equipped, landing party is being assembled.
But, alas, despite all these valiant efforts and sacrifices, Gandhi's forces refused to attack.
Okay, now I feel a little better, but that doesn't change the facts. I'm all out of ideas here and feeling helpless. Gandhi just won't come across. I even sunk a couple of his ships. Judaism spread to Birka and will soon spread to Uppsala.
What can we do anymore? Gandhi popped a GS and adopted mercantilism, but that isn't the right kind of progress.
As for other things, I accepted this deal.
Hopefully Gandhi will ask him to cancel it.
These two I turned down.
I didn't build any fill in the gaps-settlers, mostly for the reasons pago listed above. That allowed Mehmed to do this.
May that little piece of junk do him much good.
This cheered me up a little.
Hey, better in our pocket than Genghis', ain't I right?
By running a slight defict, we can get chemistry in nine turns. Washington looks to me like the best target. He's weak, disliked and built the Kong Miao this round to boot. Doesn't matter a fig, though, if Gandhi continues to be a moron.
The save.
pigswill
fly (one day)
Stuge: sound play, no-one could have done any better.
So Gandhi is dancing to his own tune still. Maybe we'll just have to wait for him.
In the meantime what do we do? Couple of choices. We can either develop our continent and keep teching away or we can go berserk and try wiping out everyone else (without breaking dom limit).
So Gandhi is dancing to his own tune still. Maybe we'll just have to wait for him.
In the meantime what do we do? Couple of choices. We can either develop our continent and keep teching away or we can go berserk and try wiping out everyone else (without breaking dom limit).
I vote for attacking america. Vikings should attack America. Odin demands it!
In the meantime, building up our "homeland" cities for gandhi certainly is a good move.
Nice turns Stuge.
I agree to attack America for influence in that area and for the reasons stated before,
And:
he is the weakest besides GK.
I vote for attacking america. Vikings should attack America. Odin demands it!
In the meantime, building up our "homeland" cities for gandhi certainly is a good move.
I agree to attack America for influence in that area and for the reasons stated before,
And:
he is the weakest besides GK.
Good turns Tuomas - well executed. I was wondering if that Tribal Hut was still there! I'm a bit disappointed that the Ottomans have now encroached on our lands.
As for Gandhi's passive resistance;
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I thank Pigswill for raising this question, as I'm thinking that there's some chance that our plan may be ultimately doomed ... Maybe not? Maybe?
(a.) Persist with Independence Day. Continue along the lines that Tuomas did in the last round. Maybe actively spread Judaism internally as Cabert suggests in order to show Gandhi another way that we're easy pickings. Continue plans for the American invasion nonetheless while taunting Gandhi. Mehmed's converted to 'Free Religion' - so hopes of of a Ottoman-Indian alliance through Judaism aren't too likely unless we go to great lengths to continue to spread the Jewish faith in Mehmed's territory, adopt it ourselves, and then insist that Mehmed also converts.
(b.) Hedge our bets. Go back to a more traditional gamestyle, and focus on intercontinental invasion. See what happens by continuing to leave 'big chinks in our armor' but go back to researching and winding down our massive treasury, and start improving our cities along a more regular format. If we find ourselves in 60 turns with the same predicament, then we can salvage an Option (c.) type game.
(c.) Forget Independence Day - let's just go for a Conquest-style game. Concede that Gandhi's never going to attack us, and just smash everyone else while not tripping Domination. Get the northern cities back to full operational status, and prepare for a world war. Start considering bribing the AIs to attack each other, and so on.
I'll hold back on playing until everyone has a say on the strategy from here.
As for Gandhi's passive resistance;
[Edit] Hagar cartoon image removed [/Edit]
I thank Pigswill for raising this question, as I'm thinking that there's some chance that our plan may be ultimately doomed ... Maybe not? Maybe?
- Is our 'Independence Day' strategy now hopeless? Should we persist if Gandhi is never going to invade?
(a.) Persist with Independence Day. Continue along the lines that Tuomas did in the last round. Maybe actively spread Judaism internally as Cabert suggests in order to show Gandhi another way that we're easy pickings. Continue plans for the American invasion nonetheless while taunting Gandhi. Mehmed's converted to 'Free Religion' - so hopes of of a Ottoman-Indian alliance through Judaism aren't too likely unless we go to great lengths to continue to spread the Jewish faith in Mehmed's territory, adopt it ourselves, and then insist that Mehmed also converts.
(b.) Hedge our bets. Go back to a more traditional gamestyle, and focus on intercontinental invasion. See what happens by continuing to leave 'big chinks in our armor' but go back to researching and winding down our massive treasury, and start improving our cities along a more regular format. If we find ourselves in 60 turns with the same predicament, then we can salvage an Option (c.) type game.
(c.) Forget Independence Day - let's just go for a Conquest-style game. Concede that Gandhi's never going to attack us, and just smash everyone else while not tripping Domination. Get the northern cities back to full operational status, and prepare for a world war. Start considering bribing the AIs to attack each other, and so on.
I'll hold back on playing until everyone has a say on the strategy from here.
pigswill
fly (one day)
Its worth remembering that Gandhi has invaded us once before, going for Uppsala when we were chasing astronomy. On that occasion cabert (quite rightly imo) beat up the invaders. Let's not dismiss the possibility of an Indian invasion altogether.
My view is that we should turtle up (leaving northern cities undefended) and play a conventional game at the moment. Its worth considering a faux war with at least one potential Gandhi pal so they can generate some MMS points. Develop infrastructure, maybe aim for some academies while working on military techs. Spreading judaism is worth doing.
My view is that we should turtle up (leaving northern cities undefended) and play a conventional game at the moment. Its worth considering a faux war with at least one potential Gandhi pal so they can generate some MMS points. Develop infrastructure, maybe aim for some academies while working on military techs. Spreading judaism is worth doing.
stuge
Emperor
I share the view that we've just got to hunker down now. If Gandhi gets just one galley-worth of units across, he'll be able to take some cities.
Cam's strip -
Cam's strip -
remconius
Deity
Agreed, let's fight a war on another front, so Gandhi will be happy to backstab.
remconius
Deity
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remconius
Deity
Was losing track myself, so as a reminder...
Roster
Cam_H ... UP
Cabert ... on deck
Mr. Mahk
Patagonia
Pigswill
Remconius
Cam_H
Roster
Cam_H ... UP
Cabert ... on deck
Mr. Mahk
Patagonia
Pigswill
Remconius
Cam_H
pigswill
fly (one day)
Gone a bit quiet here. Had a look at the save. Hannibal is beginning to pull away and he's fairly friendly with Gandhi. However we're getting 'pining for the fjords' from our sentimental Mongolian citizens so we could dash their hopes by annihilating GK thus improving our general happiness.
Conclusion: wipe out GK; head towards chemistry; build some frigates and then war vs Hannibal.
Conclusion: wipe out GK; head towards chemistry; build some frigates and then war vs Hannibal.
I'm waiting for any further input on the 'strategy'. I'd rather hold back a day and get it right, than race into it and be branded as the 'numbskull' that 'messed up the entire game'
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I'm still uncertain as to the diplomatic relations side of things ... we war with Washington, we war with Hannibal, we war with Genghis, we're already at war with Gandhi, and we want to leave a heap of cities undefended ... is that right?
Genghis is harmless and a friend of Gandhi. I'm inclined to leave him for now, as I see tackling Washington as a higher priority. I can see the "yearn for the Motherland" issue, but it's a minor concern in our plans I would think ... maybe, maybe not?
I'd also leave Hannibal ... does it hurt that much to have a reasonably neutral leader pushing the tech' pace of the game along a bit? I was hoping to land some units in Carthaginian turf as a landing spot for non-Amphibious units if required.
I guess therefore the Spanish, Celtic, and the Ottoman empires are 'off the radar' for now then.
I'm still uncertain as to the diplomatic relations side of things ... we war with Washington, we war with Hannibal, we war with Genghis, we're already at war with Gandhi, and we want to leave a heap of cities undefended ... is that right?
Genghis is harmless and a friend of Gandhi. I'm inclined to leave him for now, as I see tackling Washington as a higher priority. I can see the "yearn for the Motherland" issue, but it's a minor concern in our plans I would think ... maybe, maybe not?
I'd also leave Hannibal ... does it hurt that much to have a reasonably neutral leader pushing the tech' pace of the game along a bit? I was hoping to land some units in Carthaginian turf as a landing spot for non-Amphibious units if required.
I guess therefore the Spanish, Celtic, and the Ottoman empires are 'off the radar' for now then.
pigswill
fly (one day)
Ok on leaving Hannibal (for now) but Genghis must die! He ain't going to be trading many techs to Gandhi, 'hurting for my yurt' will also affect Gandhi when he eventually gets round to clearing the continent. Island city (Tabriz?) will make a nice staging post.
I'm not keen on invading anyone at the moment because if we keep cities our maintenance costs go up; if we raze them someone will just take the space. I don't think we should be planning on emigration until Gandhi decides on pointy stick expansion.
I'm not keen on invading anyone at the moment because if we keep cities our maintenance costs go up; if we raze them someone will just take the space. I don't think we should be planning on emigration until Gandhi decides on pointy stick expansion.
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