SGOTM 05 - Murky Waters

[Erkon]

Oh, my. I am a general and I am being given orders, what's your rank then?

... Is SE Gate an option???????? - We discarded this option since we thought going W was better.
...
What to build now? Charriot?

How about a steenkin' warrior or two

 

[Erkon]

BP is correct. Gifted cities don't flip.

 

[jesusin]

We want galley and settler.
There will be no archer in EK.
We will get money from capturing EK!

Ok, 100% research.

First option: Chop will go to QG settler. Galley will be whipped pop4->pop2 in 8 turns, we don't really need it sooner, do we? It's overflow will go to QG settler too. We build a Charrior (or Barracks) before Galley.

Another option is start working on Galley while growing. Chop will go to QG settler. At pop4 change to settler (unhappy doesn't matter). Whip settler pop4>pop2. Then finish galley immediately.

First option prioritizes Saladin pillaging. Second option prioritizes QG settling.
Which one do you all prefer?

I'll swim a bit now, so that you can give your opinion on this strategic decision.

 

[klarius]

QG is a damn fine little fishing village. I want it settled ASAP while not disturbing the capital too much.
I would put some turns in barracks if MM needs it.
Sal can rot some longer in his tundra heaven.

 

[Gnejs]

First option prioritizes Saladin pillaging. Second option prioritizes QG settling.
Which one do you all prefer?

QG is a damn fine little fishing village. I want it settled ASAP while not disturbing the capital too much.
I would put some turns in barracks if MM needs it.
Sal can rot some longer in his tundra heaven.

I am more in favour of getting troops to Sal. There might be an even better city just waiting for us to capture there. In any case the sooner we slow him down the better.

 

[klarius]

I am more in favour of getting troops to Sal. There might be an even better city just waiting for us to capture there. In any case the sooner we slow him down the better.

The only city maybe worth keeping would be his capital, IMO. And that we will not get short term.
The maintenance will be already pretty high, a commerce poor village like Medina should definitely be razed. I wouldn't even mind if we raze everything to the ground, but I also see no hurry.
Where are your priorities?
Wasn't it you, who wanted to get to the big continent with keshiks ASAP ?
QG can still help research to HBR.

 

[jesusin]

I am more in favour of getting troops to Sal. There might be an even better city just waiting for us to capture there. In any case the sooner we slow him down the better.

Perfect, a disagreement. I can do whatever I want, as long as I don't give you enough time to come to an agreement.

Prioritize settler, it will be, not because we are in a hurry to pillage Qin either, but because it is a good city.

 

[jesusin]

T105(continued). Research set to 100%
T106. 1Archer lost in Delhi. 2Asoka Archers there. Barb Galley is on Saladin shores (empty). Cyrus Archer and Settler seen 1S of Parsagarda.

I think it is a good idea to dow Cyrus now. Objections?

 

[LowtherCastle]

Good morning, jesusin. Fie to you and your swim... Reminds me of one winter when a college friend in California sent me a letter from his "sun deck."

Exciting turnset you're having! Not sure of the timing on what you're doing, but I think once you've reached pop4, it's good to poprush asap, in case we need to again ~T20 when we re-DoW with Asoka, to get down to pop2.

Don't forget to make sure BBW works the grass (better yet turn off that stupid governor).

 

[Mîtiu Ioan]

Yes - declare war upon the bastard !!

BTW - I like very much your Spanish interface ...

Regards

 

[klarius]

jesusin,

be a man not an ant

 

[Big Pig]

I'm sure we decided to tech Horseback Riding not Equitacion.......

 

[Erkon]

Kill'em! Kill'em all!!!

 

[Murky]

Good morning. Looks like the turn set is going as expected.

 

[jesusin]

T106(continued). DoW Cyrus, no impact on WW. Chops go to Settler in MW, to Obelisk in Drojf.
T107. Obelisk done in Drojf, start Warrior. 2 beakers on Meditation. Ready to take Nan and Shangai from Qin, 1 Archer in each. 1Archer lost to Saladin. 1Archer lost to Asoka. Persepolis corn farmed, go barbarians, go! 1Axe barb heads towards Cyrus settler, a SOD of Axe+Archer+Warrior heads towards Parsagarda. Talk of war coordination! Scout yelling at the Galley "come here! pick me!".
T108. Qin Archer dies in the open, but we lost 2Archers and take no cities. Cyrus Settler+Archer dies. 1Axe lost in Delhi. Toku Settler+Archer near gold, Barb Axe around, yet 3 turns of peace treaty. Horses roaded.
T109. Toku settled Edo on desert-water tile, gold in fat cross. Maybe 1 unit lost to Cyrus in open? Warrior gets distracted an doesn't follow the SOD. 1single Archer in Parsagarda, I'll see Persia disappear. EK is in revolt again, 2turns.
T110. Axe and Archer lost to Cyrus. Axe(3.7, combat1) and Warrior ready to finish 1.8 Cyrus Archer. 1 turn of peace with Toku left! Delhi goes down from pop3 to pop2. Worker starts pasturing.
T111. Warrior done in Drojf, another one started (can be changed). Cyrus kills our 2 units, the Archer is garrison1. 1Axe and 2Warriors will attack in 2 turns. Persepolis is working on Pyramids and it is not working corn nor clams. If only we could swap capitals with them! 1Qin Charriot is approaching Guanzhu. We have 1Axe and 1Archer positioned near Edo. Save uploaded in the official page.

In this turn, I would dow Toku, retake EK, gift it to Asoka for peace, re-evaluate WW, rethink Drojf production, send warrior N to free up a Spear... Next turns: pasture done, MW grows to pop4 and changes to settler, then whips 2pop into settler, then finishes Galley...
But all that is for the next player. My 10 turns are over.

I am glad I am playing, this is extremely intense!
Thank you for your patience in this long long inter-turnset.

 

[jesusin]

T105(continued). Research set to 100%
T106. 1Archer lost in Delhi. 2Asoka Archers there EDIT: BECAUSE THE THIRD HAS GONE OUT KILLING 1BARB WARRIOR. Barb Galley is on Saladin shores (empty). Cyrus Archer and Settler seen 1S of Parsagarda.

I think it is a good idea to dow Cyrus now. Objections?

See EDIT in the quote

 

[LowtherCastle]

Looks great, jesusin! You made huge mistake, though.

Spoiler :

You only played 10 turns. Five more please... Otherwise this game's going to take forever...

Check out our score graph, it's hilarious!

(I bet that'll get the admins' attention...)

 

[jesusin]

jesusin,

be a man not an ant

You know, I am a builder.
Once we retake EK and control WW, we have 3 cities. Don't you think we are short on cathedrals?

Thank you for your encouragement to make my own decisions, Klarius. The responsability was heavy, this was my first SGOTM turnset. In fact, you have all been very helpful.


(all) Ok, time for criticism, yell at me, blame me on the awkard position we are in, what have I done wrong?

 

[jesusin]

The link:
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/civ4sgotm5/Murky_Waters_SG005_BC0850_01.Civ4SavedGame

The turnlog: (errr, you did speak Spanish, didn't you? )
Here is your Session Turn Log from 1000 BC to 850 BC:

Turn 100, 1000 BC: Habéis firmado la paz con Tokugawa
Turn 100, 1000 BC: Habéis descubierto la Mampostería.

Turn 103, 955 BC: Habéis entrenado a un Colono en Murky Waters. Ya se ha empezado a trabajar en: Barco faenero.
Turn 103, 955 BC: Ha tenido lugar una rebelión Mongolian en Erkopper.

Turn 106, 910 BC: Tokugawa ha terminado Stonehenge.

Turn 107, 895 BC: Ha tenido lugar una rebelión Mongolian en Erkopper.

Turn 109, 865 BC: Cyrus se ha convertido al Budismo.


Hey, Tokugawa completed SH on turn 106, I missed that. Looking too intensely at the battles, I suppose.

 

[jesusin]

Translation
100- Toku peace, Masonry known
103- Settler done, only a fool would continue working on workboat. EK revolts.
106- Barb's rights abused, Toku builds SH.
107- EK people revolts again.
109- Cyrus is budist know.