stuge
Emperor
So, the plan this time around:
- Whip those unis
- Kill Persian stuff
- Whip those unis
- Kill Persian stuff
SGOTM 05 - Trash Team
- Thread starter AlanH
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remconius
Deity
Focus cities on the continent on production of Units.
Toledo is great, but Murcia and Pamplona (?) also need to focus on production. Barcelona and Seville can, once they reached a reasonable size and have uni's, focus on production (both have enough food and hills).
Any cities of Cyrus with food and hills should also focus on units. This way we will gain momentum as we hack and slash our way through Cyrus, Isa and Toku.
Toledo is great, but Murcia and Pamplona (?) also need to focus on production. Barcelona and Seville can, once they reached a reasonable size and have uni's, focus on production (both have enough food and hills).
Any cities of Cyrus with food and hills should also focus on units. This way we will gain momentum as we hack and slash our way through Cyrus, Isa and Toku.
stuge
Emperor
Persian front
I took Tyre without losses, got a bit lucky with a mace at 15something% odds. Then I razed Dariush Kabir (a small city north of Bactra and Tyre) at the cost of one mace. Currently we have a big stack assembling in Pasargadae and a catapult and a couple of maces near Ergil (north of Chehalis).
In other war-related news, Toku captured Toledo and is at Madrid's gates. Alex took Susa and Qin decided to dogpile on Cyrus.
I sold paper to Alex for 520 gold and signed OB with Qin.
Tech
Gunpowder came in and I took a pit stop at guilds for three turns. Chemistry is 10 turns away but we're running a defict we can't afford for much longer.
I whipped universities in K'korum, Turfan, Mecca and New Sarai. One is ready to be whipped in Barcelona and another one should soon be ready in Old Sarai.
Tidbits
Qin got a GE and a GM and apparently used the GE to build the Hagia Sophia. (Ooh, shiny!)
I wouldn't attack Toku until we have a good-sized force of grendiers.
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I took Tyre without losses, got a bit lucky with a mace at 15something% odds. Then I razed Dariush Kabir (a small city north of Bactra and Tyre) at the cost of one mace. Currently we have a big stack assembling in Pasargadae and a catapult and a couple of maces near Ergil (north of Chehalis).
In other war-related news, Toku captured Toledo and is at Madrid's gates. Alex took Susa and Qin decided to dogpile on Cyrus.
I sold paper to Alex for 520 gold and signed OB with Qin.
Tech
Gunpowder came in and I took a pit stop at guilds for three turns. Chemistry is 10 turns away but we're running a defict we can't afford for much longer.
I whipped universities in K'korum, Turfan, Mecca and New Sarai. One is ready to be whipped in Barcelona and another one should soon be ready in Old Sarai.
Tidbits
Qin got a GE and a GM and apparently used the GE to build the Hagia Sophia. (Ooh, shiny!)
I wouldn't attack Toku until we have a good-sized force of grendiers.
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remconius
Deity
Stuge said:
A small side-note and I am thinking:
What? we lost our main unit production center? didnt know we are at war with Toku.... Or is there another Toledo? (I hope so)
The Roster
Remconius (UP)
Cam_H (on deck)
cabert
Stuge
patagonia (skip till Oct 1)
lordofcivs (A.W.O.L.)
Pigswill (lurking)
I will probably play tonight or tomorrow night.
stuge
Emperor
God I have a lousy memory for names...
Toledo is cranking out knights like there's no tomorrow but Cordoba (probably) fell to the Japanese.
remconius
Deity
Phew, I am very happy you are lousy with names! 
I must say I DLed the game to see how we could possibly lose our main unit production center, and was really relieved to see it was Cordoba.
A few random thoughts :
- we have 5 universities, and need 6 to start working on oxford. I guess whipping Barcelona's uni next turn (to allow karakorum to finish its temple) would be a good move.
- we have unhappies in a 2 cities (or more, I saw 2). One is finishing a forge (whipped? didn't check), and can start on growth right away (no need to wait for 1 turn and leave 5+ food tiles unworked), the other can start on the forge right now instead of the catapult.
- we have 2 defenders in a second line city, and only 1 in most first line cities. Obviously the pike I left there as lone defender can continue to defend it against fast moving knights, and the LB would be better in a front city. I'm not blaming you stuge, since I was the one who did put the LB on a long goto. But now it's not relevant anymore.
- we need hindu missionaries for the buddhist,taoist, jew cities. It's a low price happiness + culture + benefit from the religious civic.
- We need to decide what to do with cyrus. Now that Alexander has astronomy too and waits for more AIs to know it before trading it, we may want to sue for peace. Problem being he will build a settler to put in his galleon. I'd try the following : take (raze) ergili, which contains a galleon, then sue for peace (provided he gives something for peace, like astronomy for instance), then turn against isabella.
A few random thoughts :
- we have 5 universities, and need 6 to start working on oxford. I guess whipping Barcelona's uni next turn (to allow karakorum to finish its temple) would be a good move.
- we have unhappies in a 2 cities (or more, I saw 2). One is finishing a forge (whipped? didn't check), and can start on growth right away (no need to wait for 1 turn and leave 5+ food tiles unworked), the other can start on the forge right now instead of the catapult.
- we have 2 defenders in a second line city, and only 1 in most first line cities. Obviously the pike I left there as lone defender can continue to defend it against fast moving knights, and the LB would be better in a front city. I'm not blaming you stuge, since I was the one who did put the LB on a long goto. But now it's not relevant anymore.
- we need hindu missionaries for the buddhist,taoist, jew cities. It's a low price happiness + culture + benefit from the religious civic.
- We need to decide what to do with cyrus. Now that Alexander has astronomy too and waits for more AIs to know it before trading it, we may want to sue for peace. Problem being he will build a settler to put in his galleon. I'd try the following : take (raze) ergili, which contains a galleon, then sue for peace (provided he gives something for peace, like astronomy for instance), then turn against isabella.
remconius
Deity
Got it, playing now!
remconius
Deity
Summary:
Good news: Cyrus is Toast! Next turn WW should go down quite a bit.
Bad News: Toku is a tough cookie!
Isabelle is in the way, so she could be next!
Chemistry can be done in 1 turn (90% science) I suggest we drop science to 10-20% for a while to save money for upgrades. We can still complete maces and upgrade when they are CR3. Steel next.
We have Oxford, I built it in Karakorum. Whipped for 6 pop, but should regrow fast.
Plan for next turns: Build units in (almost) all continental cities and the halfway island. Declare on Isa and finish her off, she is weak. Upgrade to Grenadiers and prepare 2-3 power stacks for Toku. Then we can take him from multiple sides before he retalliates.
Turn 350/660 (1643 AD)
changed Mecca to grocer
pamplona changed to forge
Mecca celebrates "We Love the Monarch Day"!!!
You have constructed a Forge in Valencia. Work has now begun on a Barracks.
Turn 351/660 (1643 AD) [26-Sep-2007 20:32:29]
Murcia begins: Longbowman (5 turns)
New Sarai begins: Barracks (7 turns)
Karakorum begins: Lighthouse (8 turns)
Karakorum begins: Grocer (19 turns)
Maceman promoted: City Raider I
Maceman promoted: City Raider I
Knight promoted: Combat I
Tyre begins: Barracks (13 turns)
Karakorum finishes: Hindu Temple
Turfan grows: 10
Barcelona's borders expand
Seville finishes: Library
Toledo finishes: Knight
Valencia finishes: Barracks
Pamplona finishes: Forge
Turn 352/660 (1646 AD) [26-Sep-2007 20:41:49]
Toledo begins: Knight (3 turns)
Valencia begins: Catapult (8 turns)
Pamplona begins: Catapult (6 turns)
Pamplona begins: Catapult (6 turns)
Comment: whip uni in ning-shia
Seville begins: Hindu Missionary (6 turns)
Ning-hsia grows: 6
Ning-hsia finishes: University
Pamplona grows: 6
Samarqand grows: 3
Samarqand finishes: Theatre
Hinduism has spread: Susa (Greek Empire)
Hinduism has spread: Susa (Persian Empire)
To keep science going I trade 820 gold for Gunpowder to Alex:
Turn 353/660 (1649 AD) [26-Sep-2007 21:00:54]
Knight promoted: Flanking I
While attacking in Mongolian territory at Pasargadae, Knight loses to: Persian Musketman (3.60/9) (Prob Victory: 63.0%)
While attacking in Mongolian territory at Pasargadae, Knight defeats (10.00/10): Persian Musketman (Prob Victory: 99.9%)
Ning-hsia begins: Caravel (15 turns)
Samarqand begins: Library (68 turns)
Ning-hsia begins: Hindu Missionary (10 turns)
Karakorum begins: Oxford University (34 turns)
Karakorum grows: 13
Barcelona grows: 11
Seville finishes: Hindu Missionary
New Sarai grows: 5
Turn 354/660 (1652 AD) [26-Sep-2007 21:15:34]
Hinduism has spread: Pamplona
Murcia finishes: Longbowman
Toledo finishes: Knight
Valencia grows: 6
Bactra's borders expand
Bactra finishes: Barracks
Turn 355/660 (1655 AD) [26-Sep-2007 21:19:25]
Catapult promoted: City Raider I
Murcia begins: Longbowman (4 turns)
Toledo begins: Knight (3 turns)
Bactra begins: Catapult (20 turns)
Beshbalik's borders expand
Mecca grows: 11
Old Sarai grows: 7
Old Sarai finishes: Courthouse
Toledo grows: 9
New Sarai finishes: Barracks
Pamplona grows: 7
Pamplona finishes: Catapult
Tyre finishes: Barracks
Turn 356/660 (1658 AD) [26-Sep-2007 21:24:34]
Knight promoted: Combat I
Catapult promoted: Drill I
While attacking in Mongolian territory at Pasargadae, Knight defeats (8.20/10): Persian Musketman (Prob Victory: 87.7%)
Comment: Whip Oxford for 6 pop
Old Sarai begins: Caravel (12 turns)
New Sarai begins: Catapult (6 turns)
Tyre begins: Catapult (20 turns)
Karakorum grows: 8
Karakorum finishes: Oxford University
Beshbalik finishes: Taoist Monastery
Murcia grows: 11
New Sarai grows: 6
Pamplona finishes: Catapult
Samarqand grows: 4
Pasargadae grows: 4
Tokugawa(Japan) and Isabella(Spain) have signed a peace treaty
Attitude Change: Tokugawa(Japan) towards Isabella(Spain), from 'Furious' to 'Annoyed'
Attitude Change: Isabella(Spain) towards Tokugawa(Japan), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'
Turn 357/660 (1661 AD) [26-Sep-2007 21:31:32]
Maceman promoted: City Raider I
Knight promoted: Combat II
Beshbalik begins: Lighthouse (15 turns)
Murcia begins: Market (13 turns)
Pamplona begins: Caravel (6 turns)
Pamplona begins: Maceman (7 turns)
Pamplona begins: Hindu Missionary (4 turns)
Turfan's borders expand
Toledo finishes: Knight
Valencia finishes: Catapult
Samarqand's borders expand
Hinduism has spread: Susa (Persian Empire)
Hinduism has spread: Susa (Greek Empire)
Hinduism has spread: Susa (Greek Empire)
Turn 358/660 (1664 AD) [26-Sep-2007 21:38:56]
Catapult promoted: Barrage I
While attacking in Persian territory at Persepolis, Catapult loses to: Persian Longbowman (5.28/6) (Prob Victory: 0.0%)
While attacking in Persian territory at Persepolis, Catapult loses to: Persian Longbowman (3.12/6) (Prob Victory: 0.2%)
Catapult promoted: City Raider I
While attacking in Persian territory at Persepolis, Catapult loses to: Persian Longbowman (4.02/6) (Prob Victory: 4.7%)
Catapult promoted: Barrage I
While attacking in Persian territory at Persepolis, Catapult defeats (0.95/5): Persian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 11.5%)
Comment: woohoo
Catapult promoted: City Raider I
While attacking in Persian territory at Persepolis, Knight defeats (4.60/10): Persian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 97.1%)
While attacking in Persian territory at Persepolis, Maceman defeats (4.40/8): Persian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 99.3%)
While attacking in Persian territory at Persepolis, Maceman defeats (6.80/8): Persian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 99.3%)
Hinduism has spread: Persepolis (Persian Empire)
Hinduism has spread: Persepolis
Captured Persepolis (Cyrus)
Persepolis is ours!
And check it out: Pyramids, notre dame, parthenon and an academy.
Knight promoted: Combat II
Toledo begins: Maceman (2 turns)
Valencia begins: Catapult (5 turns)
Beshbalik grows: 7
Turfan grows: 11
Ning-hsia grows: 7
Murcia finishes: Longbowman
Bactra finishes: Catapult
State Religion Change: Cyrus(Persia) from 'Hinduism' to 'no State Religion'
Attitude Change: Isabella(Spain) towards Cyrus(Persia), from 'Friendly' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Cyrus(Persia) towards Temujin(Mongolia), from 'Annoyed' to 'Furious'
Attitude Change: Cyrus(Persia) towards Isabella(Spain), from 'Friendly' to 'Pleased'
Civics Change: Cyrus(Persia) from 'Representation' to 'Despotism'
Civics Change: Cyrus(Persia) from 'Serfdom' to 'Slavery'
Civics Change: Cyrus(Persia) from 'Theocracy' to 'Free Religion'
Turn 359/660 (1667 AD) [26-Sep-2007 21:50:33]
Longbowman promoted: City Garrison I
While attacking in Persian territory at Ergili, Catapult loses to: Persian Longbowman (5.22/6) (Prob Victory: 0.2%)
Knight promoted: Flanking I
While attacking in Persian territory at Ergili, Knight loses to: Persian Longbowman (0.12/6) (Prob Victory: 28.1%)
I manage to leave the longbow with 0.1 health.
Bactra begins: Catapult (6 turns)
Mecca's borders expand
Seville grows: 10
Seville finishes: Hindu Missionary
Toledo finishes: Maceman
Pamplona's borders expand
Pasargadae finishes: Barracks
Samaria grows: 2
Persian Empire has been eliminated
The barbarians take ergilie, the last city from Cyrus. This keeps our maintenance down a bit and allows more production from Barbs. I send workers to improve the city fast.
Turn 360/660 (1670 AD) [26-Sep-2007 21:57:20]
Toledo begins: Maceman (2 turns)
Seville begins: Forge (23 turns)
Longbowman promoted: City Garrison I
Pasargadae begins: Maceman (21 turns)
Pasargadae begins: Catapult (12 turns)
The Roster
Remconius
Cam_H (UP)
cabert (on deck)
Stuge
patagonia (skip till Oct 1)
lordofcivs (A.W.O.L.)
Pigswill (lurking)
SAVE
Good news: Cyrus is Toast! Next turn WW should go down quite a bit.
Bad News: Toku is a tough cookie!
Isabelle is in the way, so she could be next!
Chemistry can be done in 1 turn (90% science) I suggest we drop science to 10-20% for a while to save money for upgrades. We can still complete maces and upgrade when they are CR3. Steel next.
We have Oxford, I built it in Karakorum. Whipped for 6 pop, but should regrow fast.
Plan for next turns: Build units in (almost) all continental cities and the halfway island. Declare on Isa and finish her off, she is weak. Upgrade to Grenadiers and prepare 2-3 power stacks for Toku. Then we can take him from multiple sides before he retalliates.
Turn 350/660 (1643 AD)
changed Mecca to grocer
pamplona changed to forge
Mecca celebrates "We Love the Monarch Day"!!!
You have constructed a Forge in Valencia. Work has now begun on a Barracks.
Turn 351/660 (1643 AD) [26-Sep-2007 20:32:29]
Murcia begins: Longbowman (5 turns)
New Sarai begins: Barracks (7 turns)
Karakorum begins: Lighthouse (8 turns)
Karakorum begins: Grocer (19 turns)
Maceman promoted: City Raider I
Maceman promoted: City Raider I
Knight promoted: Combat I
Tyre begins: Barracks (13 turns)
Karakorum finishes: Hindu Temple
Turfan grows: 10
Barcelona's borders expand
Seville finishes: Library
Toledo finishes: Knight
Valencia finishes: Barracks
Pamplona finishes: Forge
Turn 352/660 (1646 AD) [26-Sep-2007 20:41:49]
Toledo begins: Knight (3 turns)
Valencia begins: Catapult (8 turns)
Pamplona begins: Catapult (6 turns)
Pamplona begins: Catapult (6 turns)
Comment: whip uni in ning-shia
Seville begins: Hindu Missionary (6 turns)
Ning-hsia grows: 6
Ning-hsia finishes: University
Pamplona grows: 6
Samarqand grows: 3
Samarqand finishes: Theatre
Hinduism has spread: Susa (Greek Empire)
Hinduism has spread: Susa (Persian Empire)
To keep science going I trade 820 gold for Gunpowder to Alex:
Turn 353/660 (1649 AD) [26-Sep-2007 21:00:54]
Knight promoted: Flanking I
While attacking in Mongolian territory at Pasargadae, Knight loses to: Persian Musketman (3.60/9) (Prob Victory: 63.0%)
While attacking in Mongolian territory at Pasargadae, Knight defeats (10.00/10): Persian Musketman (Prob Victory: 99.9%)
Ning-hsia begins: Caravel (15 turns)
Samarqand begins: Library (68 turns)
Ning-hsia begins: Hindu Missionary (10 turns)
Karakorum begins: Oxford University (34 turns)
Karakorum grows: 13
Barcelona grows: 11
Seville finishes: Hindu Missionary
New Sarai grows: 5
Turn 354/660 (1652 AD) [26-Sep-2007 21:15:34]
Hinduism has spread: Pamplona
Murcia finishes: Longbowman
Toledo finishes: Knight
Valencia grows: 6
Bactra's borders expand
Bactra finishes: Barracks
Turn 355/660 (1655 AD) [26-Sep-2007 21:19:25]
Catapult promoted: City Raider I
Murcia begins: Longbowman (4 turns)
Toledo begins: Knight (3 turns)
Bactra begins: Catapult (20 turns)
Beshbalik's borders expand
Mecca grows: 11
Old Sarai grows: 7
Old Sarai finishes: Courthouse
Toledo grows: 9
New Sarai finishes: Barracks
Pamplona grows: 7
Pamplona finishes: Catapult
Tyre finishes: Barracks
Turn 356/660 (1658 AD) [26-Sep-2007 21:24:34]
Knight promoted: Combat I
Catapult promoted: Drill I
While attacking in Mongolian territory at Pasargadae, Knight defeats (8.20/10): Persian Musketman (Prob Victory: 87.7%)
Comment: Whip Oxford for 6 pop
Old Sarai begins: Caravel (12 turns)
New Sarai begins: Catapult (6 turns)
Tyre begins: Catapult (20 turns)
Karakorum grows: 8
Karakorum finishes: Oxford University
Beshbalik finishes: Taoist Monastery
Murcia grows: 11
New Sarai grows: 6
Pamplona finishes: Catapult
Samarqand grows: 4
Pasargadae grows: 4
Tokugawa(Japan) and Isabella(Spain) have signed a peace treaty
Attitude Change: Tokugawa(Japan) towards Isabella(Spain), from 'Furious' to 'Annoyed'
Attitude Change: Isabella(Spain) towards Tokugawa(Japan), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'
Turn 357/660 (1661 AD) [26-Sep-2007 21:31:32]
Maceman promoted: City Raider I
Knight promoted: Combat II
Beshbalik begins: Lighthouse (15 turns)
Murcia begins: Market (13 turns)
Pamplona begins: Caravel (6 turns)
Pamplona begins: Maceman (7 turns)
Pamplona begins: Hindu Missionary (4 turns)
Turfan's borders expand
Toledo finishes: Knight
Valencia finishes: Catapult
Samarqand's borders expand
Hinduism has spread: Susa (Persian Empire)
Hinduism has spread: Susa (Greek Empire)
Hinduism has spread: Susa (Greek Empire)
Turn 358/660 (1664 AD) [26-Sep-2007 21:38:56]
Catapult promoted: Barrage I
While attacking in Persian territory at Persepolis, Catapult loses to: Persian Longbowman (5.28/6) (Prob Victory: 0.0%)
While attacking in Persian territory at Persepolis, Catapult loses to: Persian Longbowman (3.12/6) (Prob Victory: 0.2%)
Catapult promoted: City Raider I
While attacking in Persian territory at Persepolis, Catapult loses to: Persian Longbowman (4.02/6) (Prob Victory: 4.7%)
Catapult promoted: Barrage I
While attacking in Persian territory at Persepolis, Catapult defeats (0.95/5): Persian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 11.5%)
Comment: woohoo
Catapult promoted: City Raider I
While attacking in Persian territory at Persepolis, Knight defeats (4.60/10): Persian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 97.1%)
While attacking in Persian territory at Persepolis, Maceman defeats (4.40/8): Persian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 99.3%)
While attacking in Persian territory at Persepolis, Maceman defeats (6.80/8): Persian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 99.3%)
Hinduism has spread: Persepolis (Persian Empire)
Hinduism has spread: Persepolis
Captured Persepolis (Cyrus)
Persepolis is ours!
And check it out: Pyramids, notre dame, parthenon and an academy.
Knight promoted: Combat II
Toledo begins: Maceman (2 turns)
Valencia begins: Catapult (5 turns)
Beshbalik grows: 7
Turfan grows: 11
Ning-hsia grows: 7
Murcia finishes: Longbowman
Bactra finishes: Catapult
State Religion Change: Cyrus(Persia) from 'Hinduism' to 'no State Religion'
Attitude Change: Isabella(Spain) towards Cyrus(Persia), from 'Friendly' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Cyrus(Persia) towards Temujin(Mongolia), from 'Annoyed' to 'Furious'
Attitude Change: Cyrus(Persia) towards Isabella(Spain), from 'Friendly' to 'Pleased'
Civics Change: Cyrus(Persia) from 'Representation' to 'Despotism'
Civics Change: Cyrus(Persia) from 'Serfdom' to 'Slavery'
Civics Change: Cyrus(Persia) from 'Theocracy' to 'Free Religion'
Turn 359/660 (1667 AD) [26-Sep-2007 21:50:33]
Longbowman promoted: City Garrison I
While attacking in Persian territory at Ergili, Catapult loses to: Persian Longbowman (5.22/6) (Prob Victory: 0.2%)
Knight promoted: Flanking I
While attacking in Persian territory at Ergili, Knight loses to: Persian Longbowman (0.12/6) (Prob Victory: 28.1%)
I manage to leave the longbow with 0.1 health.
Bactra begins: Catapult (6 turns)
Mecca's borders expand
Seville grows: 10
Seville finishes: Hindu Missionary
Toledo finishes: Maceman
Pamplona's borders expand
Pasargadae finishes: Barracks
Samaria grows: 2
Persian Empire has been eliminated
The barbarians take ergilie, the last city from Cyrus. This keeps our maintenance down a bit and allows more production from Barbs. I send workers to improve the city fast.
Turn 360/660 (1670 AD) [26-Sep-2007 21:57:20]
Toledo begins: Maceman (2 turns)
Seville begins: Forge (23 turns)
Longbowman promoted: City Garrison I
Pasargadae begins: Maceman (21 turns)
Pasargadae begins: Catapult (12 turns)
The Roster
Remconius
Cam_H (UP)
cabert (on deck)
Stuge
patagonia (skip till Oct 1)
lordofcivs (A.W.O.L.)
Pigswill (lurking)
SAVE
pigswill
fly (one day)
Lurking
I assume there's no way to gift cities to barbs?
I assume there's no way to gift cities to barbs?
no, remco used the only way to do it, by reducing the defender to almost nothing
Thoughts :
- police state, now that we have the pyramids?
- Isabella next seems just right to get rid of "we long to join our homeland"
- What about alex and qin? Do we let them grow bigger or not?
- I suggest chemistry > steel > astronomy
I opened the save, and am currently looking at our cities. I will post a shopping list soon
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remconius
Deity
BTW, we got a great scientist incoming on the next turns from Mecca. With the Parthenon we might be able to "grow" a few others.
Not sure if we can use him for astronomy, or if there is another tech he prefers.
I think we should go after Isa, she is blocking our ships anyway, and Madrid would be a nice addition, especially to give Barcelona a bit more room.
On a whip related side-note, I dont think we should whip Barcelona or Seville. They are growing quite slowly and need to be big in order to use all their hills and commerce squares. Lets keep them big and producing units.
Halfway island does not anymore improvements and should just build cats.
Our old homeland can focus on commerce. With our limited traderoutes I think mercantilism is also good when we get Banking. Bunch of merchants should help our economy.
Not sure if we can use him for astronomy, or if there is another tech he prefers.
I think we should go after Isa, she is blocking our ships anyway, and Madrid would be a nice addition, especially to give Barcelona a bit more room.
On a whip related side-note, I dont think we should whip Barcelona or Seville. They are growing quite slowly and need to be big in order to use all their hills and commerce squares. Lets keep them big and producing units.
Halfway island does not anymore improvements and should just build cats.
Our old homeland can focus on commerce. With our limited traderoutes I think mercantilism is also good when we get Banking. Bunch of merchants should help our economy.
I mostly agree (except on the halfway island! they need a few more things) with remconius, but since I spent half an hour looking at every city, here's my "to do list". Of course, these are only suggestions, even if I use an imperative tone (it's just me).
The bolded cities don't have hinduism yet. This is the biggest waste I can think of! We have the shrine, we are running hindu as state religion, it gives much needed happiness and culture. I can't think of a better hammer investment than the 8 missionaries needed to spread hinduism to all our cities.
Karakorum needs growth + commerce. Nothing to change for now.
Beshbalik can be whipped soon. It's growth is so slow it's not even funny.
Turfan is not working the copper mine. This is a sin! With just some citizens on the copper mine and on the river mine, it finishes it's monastery this turn. I think the 1 commerce and 1 food lost for 8 hammers gained is a good move.
A forge can be whipped in ning hsia in 8 turns (after the growth + whip weariness exhaustion).
A GS is due in Mecca next turn. I think he would lightbulb (a part) of astronomy if we delay chemistry for a while (if we don't, he will bulb part of scientific method). We could use another settler in a while for a fishing village east of samarqand. Mecca is the best place to build it.
Old Sarai would benefit from a lighthouse (1 more good tile to work, then it's coast). It can certainly wait for the caravel to finish.
Barcelona lacks food, due to spanish culture on the cow and oasis. As soon as Madrid's down, this will be solved. I still think it needs farms more than cottages. The 2 unworked cottages could be replaced by farms.
Seville is unhappy, but that's mostly from WW. I would work the cottages instead of the mines to start growing again.
Murcia is our best food city. I would go for the GT there. I think this city will draft riflemen each turn in some distant future. The hindu missionary there is most welcome (although I think samaria needs it more than murcia). Isabella has a HA in the vicinity. Better bring a pike or something to deal with this before declaring on her. Her 1 pop city there should be razed IMHO.
Toledo could use some growth. I would farm the green and workshop the brown (I mean what's not yet improved)
Valencia is defended by a chariot. I know it's under no threat but keep it in mind. It needs a lighthouse and a courthouse soon. Not to mention hinduism!
New sarai needs a courthouse. Whippable in 5, I guess (after the catapult is done and a few hammers are put into it).
Pamplona is hiring an engineer. What for? There are good tiles to work, and no GE will ever be born there.
Samarqand needs a courthouse a lot more badly than a library.
Samaria needs culture. We need to bring a hindu missionary there asap.
Bacra needs growth, it's 7 pop away from it's happy cap. I would leave the mines for the silk and cottages, to bring a bit more food.
Tyre has an academy. I guess cottages there would bring more than farms and workshops.
Same for Pasagardae, but this one's really low on food. I can see no other future than working coast tiles for this city.
Persepolis will need workers and a lighthouse. What a prize!
I don't think that delaying chemistry for long to keep the parthenon going is worth it though.
I really think that switching to police state asap is the strongest civic move for a while.
Now, if you disagree with this list, please do at least consider my point, before rejecting it altogether.
PS : There is still a lot to do for our workers!
PS 2 : I don't quite agree with mercantilism being better than our trade routes. If we declare on isabella soon, toku will open his borders. And we may just be a few turns away from astronomy, opening trade routes with qin.
The bolded cities don't have hinduism yet. This is the biggest waste I can think of! We have the shrine, we are running hindu as state religion, it gives much needed happiness and culture. I can't think of a better hammer investment than the 8 missionaries needed to spread hinduism to all our cities.
Karakorum needs growth + commerce. Nothing to change for now.
Beshbalik can be whipped soon. It's growth is so slow it's not even funny.
Turfan is not working the copper mine. This is a sin! With just some citizens on the copper mine and on the river mine, it finishes it's monastery this turn. I think the 1 commerce and 1 food lost for 8 hammers gained is a good move.
A forge can be whipped in ning hsia in 8 turns (after the growth + whip weariness exhaustion).
A GS is due in Mecca next turn. I think he would lightbulb (a part) of astronomy if we delay chemistry for a while (if we don't, he will bulb part of scientific method). We could use another settler in a while for a fishing village east of samarqand. Mecca is the best place to build it.
Old Sarai would benefit from a lighthouse (1 more good tile to work, then it's coast). It can certainly wait for the caravel to finish.
Barcelona lacks food, due to spanish culture on the cow and oasis. As soon as Madrid's down, this will be solved. I still think it needs farms more than cottages. The 2 unworked cottages could be replaced by farms.
Seville is unhappy, but that's mostly from WW. I would work the cottages instead of the mines to start growing again.
Murcia is our best food city. I would go for the GT there. I think this city will draft riflemen each turn in some distant future. The hindu missionary there is most welcome (although I think samaria needs it more than murcia). Isabella has a HA in the vicinity. Better bring a pike or something to deal with this before declaring on her. Her 1 pop city there should be razed IMHO.
Toledo could use some growth. I would farm the green and workshop the brown (I mean what's not yet improved)
Valencia is defended by a chariot. I know it's under no threat but keep it in mind. It needs a lighthouse and a courthouse soon. Not to mention hinduism!
New sarai needs a courthouse. Whippable in 5, I guess (after the catapult is done and a few hammers are put into it).
Pamplona is hiring an engineer. What for? There are good tiles to work, and no GE will ever be born there.
Samarqand needs a courthouse a lot more badly than a library.
Samaria needs culture. We need to bring a hindu missionary there asap.
Bacra needs growth, it's 7 pop away from it's happy cap. I would leave the mines for the silk and cottages, to bring a bit more food.
Tyre has an academy. I guess cottages there would bring more than farms and workshops.
Same for Pasagardae, but this one's really low on food. I can see no other future than working coast tiles for this city.
Persepolis will need workers and a lighthouse. What a prize!
I don't think that delaying chemistry for long to keep the parthenon going is worth it though.
I really think that switching to police state asap is the strongest civic move for a while.
Now, if you disagree with this list, please do at least consider my point, before rejecting it altogether.
PS : There is still a lot to do for our workers!
PS 2 : I don't quite agree with mercantilism being better than our trade routes. If we declare on isabella soon, toku will open his borders. And we may just be a few turns away from astronomy, opening trade routes with qin.
remconius
Deity
Mostly agree, a few remarks:
-Engineers are hired when the city grows, very annoying and they need to be put back in the field.
-Samarqand it building a lib to grab more tiles, coutrhouse can be prioritised.
-Turfan: easily said to trade few commerce for more hammers, but here is my reasoning. Turfan can build stuff and ship it to the continent but it will take forever. It's more useful with full-grown cottages, increasing long term commerce. Working mines will delay cottages from growing. Our production of units is now mainly done on the continent.
Another note, should we move to Theocracy, being in full war mode and building lots of units all over the place. Even with vassalage (?) as Karakorum is not the main source of income anymore. It still has enough cottages/food to make oxford beneficial. We'd produce 8 xp units, ie instant combat I, CR2 Maces. 1-2 successful attacks and they can be promoted/upgraded to CR3 Grenadiers. This should give us more momentum.
-Engineers are hired when the city grows, very annoying and they need to be put back in the field.
-Samarqand it building a lib to grab more tiles, coutrhouse can be prioritised.
-Turfan: easily said to trade few commerce for more hammers, but here is my reasoning. Turfan can build stuff and ship it to the continent but it will take forever. It's more useful with full-grown cottages, increasing long term commerce. Working mines will delay cottages from growing. Our production of units is now mainly done on the continent.
Another note, should we move to Theocracy, being in full war mode and building lots of units all over the place. Even with vassalage (?) as Karakorum is not the main source of income anymore. It still has enough cottages/food to make oxford beneficial. We'd produce 8 xp units, ie instant combat I, CR2 Maces. 1-2 successful attacks and they can be promoted/upgraded to CR3 Grenadiers. This should give us more momentum.
remconius
Deity
Does Bureaucracy have that much effect? +50% commerce in Karakorum.
We also have Mecca, Barcelona, Seville fueling our economy.
We also have Mecca, Barcelona, Seville fueling our economy.
patagonia
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It sounds like things are progressing well.
(Still) Can't open the save to check, but my gut feeling would be that the GS will want to bulb printing press. If we've already got that, then please ignore what I've just written.
Police state will be a good civic to deal with WW, but how will that compare to the loss of HR happy? Given how crippling WW was early in the game, I'm guessing we should be better off, but if we're relying on a lot of military police in older cities like Mecca/Karakorum, that's something to consider.
How are we doing in terms of the domination target? Does it look like the main continent will give us enough land, or will we have to go after Alex/Qin too?
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In terms of my continued (un)availability, 1st October still seems promising, but I won't have my PC back until the following weekend, which means playing on 7th/8th. Sorry about this, it's getting beyond a joke now, but hopefully I'll be able to get a couple of turns in before the end of the game!
(Still) Can't open the save to check, but my gut feeling would be that the GS will want to bulb printing press. If we've already got that, then please ignore what I've just written.
Police state will be a good civic to deal with WW, but how will that compare to the loss of HR happy? Given how crippling WW was early in the game, I'm guessing we should be better off, but if we're relying on a lot of military police in older cities like Mecca/Karakorum, that's something to consider.
How are we doing in terms of the domination target? Does it look like the main continent will give us enough land, or will we have to go after Alex/Qin too?
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In terms of my continued (un)availability, 1st October still seems promising, but I won't have my PC back until the following weekend, which means playing on 7th/8th. Sorry about this, it's getting beyond a joke now, but hopefully I'll be able to get a couple of turns in before the end of the game!
You're obviously right about printing press, just forgot about it. Then again, PP is a good tech
.About land, we're about 35% now, with lots of culture wars + tiles missing under Mecca/samarqand.
IMHO we need to take down either alex or qin.
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