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SGOTM 07 - Murky Waters
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LowtherCastle
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Okay. Thanks. No biggie. Then I think our best bet is to settle our GA in Delhi! It will then have 100
in 13 turns max (T174) and New York and Rome don't need to come out of resistance before geographical domination. London would need 10, but that should happen around that time too. EDIT: Okay, I forgot about Washington's borders expanding after London. Either Washington or NY also need 10 or Rome has to come out of resistance. My latest two dot maps are below and they assume KK captures all cities on our continent. Hopefully I haven't missed anything.
EDIT2: Updated to show the two tiles for Washington's 10
border expansion..
Well there is a possibility that without a culture bomb york revolts if we are slow in taking washington. I do not think this is very likely, but it should be considered as the city will not produce any culture during those turns, and it will be more vulnerable to attack.
jesusin should ensure that his unit placement and DOW timing for the assault on wash's cities allow for the defense of york, bb, and to a lesser extent Murky against an initial response.
jesusin should ensure that his unit placement and DOW timing for the assault on wash's cities allow for the defense of york, bb, and to a lesser extent Murky against an initial response.
Please notice everyone that all specialists generate 2 cpt (from Sistine Chapel). jesusin needs to keep track of any specialists running in the critical cities.
Yes, he is able to do that, but who knows if he will manage?
I have three units en route to help him though.
Not if he isn't in "financial trouble".
But BTW, revolts and/or flips are not that unlikely. Bombay has around 8% revolt probability, IIRC. York will be similar once Liz is gone.
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Okay, let's take a cold, calculating view of how to arrive at the tile domination limit asap. (Help me out with any misunderstandings, please, klarius.)
London
I figure KK will capture London IT of T163/164 if jesusin sends those 4 units there. I assume London now has an empty granary, having lost pop1 in the last few turns. Since KK will have no mercy with his pillaging frigates, by T163, London should be at pop12 or pop13. Resistance = 3 + 6 = 9t. London comes out of resistance on T172 and then expands cultural borders in 2-5 turns depending on whether KK uses an artist (2t), an engineer (3t), or no specialist (5t). T177 at the latest, if KK doesn't dawdle capturing London.
Washington
pop12 after capture => resistance: 9t => time to expand borders: 11-14t from turn of capture.
New York
pop7 after capture => resistance: 6t => time to expand borders: 8-11t from turn of capture. (klarius: Would NY resistance be 1t shorter for pop7, since we have culture on that plot?)
Rome
pop11 after capture => resistance: 8t from turn of capture.
Conclusions:
1. Our date of tile domination will be probably be determined by Wash or NY at 10
or Rome coming out of resistance. 2. Erkon says the Rome attack force can arrive at Rome in 7t, so it appears that KK could capture Rome on about T169 => tile domination on T177. (I gave jesusin 2 turns to red-line those 21 units...
)By comparison:
For T177, Washington has to be captured T166, best-case scenario, T163, worst-case scenario.
For T177, New York has to be captured T169, best-case scenario, or T166, worst-case scenario.
IIRC Washington has the hanging gardens and will pop borders in 2 turns after coming out of resistance.
EDIT: 1 turn if it's been there for at least 1000 years.
Edit: so prioritize NY and Rome. Or could we even raze NY and have Wash at 2x expansion by the time Rome is out of resistance?
I estimate the following turns (they can of course vary a lot depending on the success at London):
If the Hamburg stack goes south, I think it's reasonable to estimate the capture of Rome in about 10 turns, and Washington in perhaps 12 turns and NY in 15 turns. If we send parts of the Hamburg stack north, we will get Washington in about 10 turns, and NY in 12. Rome will then fall in ~12 turns.
If the Hamburg stack goes south, I think it's reasonable to estimate the capture of Rome in about 10 turns, and Washington in perhaps 12 turns and NY in 15 turns. If we send parts of the Hamburg stack north, we will get Washington in about 10 turns, and NY in 12. Rome will then fall in ~12 turns.
Captured wonders don't generate culture, do they?
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Hanging Gardens will be great for the +1
, but I thought wonders don't contribute culture when you've captured them from someone else.My post above refers only to land tile domination. We also need to cover the pop domination limit and I don't think we can afford to raze any cities. We need to grow KK's pop as much as possible and keep our fingers crossed. We need to get KK clams and farm and road his Athens corn for health too. Antium has a lot of potential after Biology.
>>>crossed with Erkon<<<
I don't have NY's exact american culture percentage here. But it's in the 60-70% range. That means, at size 6 (same at 7), 4-5 turns of resistance.
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We can still also think to use the GA to bomb Washington or Bombay.
I thought I remembered that they did but since I don't do too much capturing in my solo games I am probably wrong. Sorry.
Easy way to tell for sure is open York and see if Lizzie's old wonders have
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Wow! Talk about splitting hairs! It's 66% right now, which gives 1.98 + 3 = 4t. 67% gives 5t resistance.
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How many units would you be sending to Rome in each scenario?
Quick Rome:
Gren + Cannon (S-SW York), move to 2E of Antium on T165
Cannon (E of Cuzco) and Gren (E-NE of Cuzco), move to Hamburg, heal, enter Roman lands on T166
Cannon (NW of Hamburg), heal in place, enter Roman lands on T165 (cow S-SW of Madrid?)
3xCannons + 5xGren in Hamburg depart when healed. Enter Roman lands on T165 (from SW, W and NW).
Total units used: 6xCannons + 7xGrens
Slow Rome:
Cannon (NW of Hamburg), heal in place, enter Roman lands on T165 (cow S-SW of Madrid?)
3xCannons + 5xGren in Hamburg depart when healed. Enter Roman lands on T165 (from SW, W and NW).
Total units used: 4xCannons + 5xGrens
It's mandatory that no units are within 2 tiles of Rome to ensure he evacuates.
It's suitable to declare one turn in advance to see where his stack goes (i.e. DoW in T164). Our units will not be in place, but can counter his move, and thus save us a turn.
PS: is it suitable to CF Liz once London falls?
