shyuhe
Deity
FR after popping the GM, of course.
SGOTM 10 - One Short Straw
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RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
yes to FR 
good luck.
good luck.
Playing now. I've done 12t so far. DG dow'd us and took Orenburg - showed up with 5 galleons, not much I could do. Haven't seen any of his units in a while since then. Mao cancelled our silk deal and killed me with happy, so I had to give him copper and some cash. Cancel it after 10t, as Gandhi has silk. 
Mao is destroying Roosevelt now - dow'd him early in the set and has taken the remaining mainland cities, including capital. Church has a monster stack of Redcoats sitting in London, and is in WHEOOHRN. This game is going out of control.
I'm basically ready to launch. 5 nukes in position and 12 or so cossacks. Just taking a little break, the turns are very long now...
Log:
Mao is destroying Roosevelt now - dow'd him early in the set and has taken the remaining mainland cities, including capital. Church has a monster stack of Redcoats sitting in London, and is in WHEOOHRN. This game is going out of control.I'm basically ready to launch. 5 nukes in position and 12 or so cossacks. Just taking a little break, the turns are very long now...
Log:
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shyuhe
Deity
Out of control indeed 
Let's go down in a blaze of glory!!! Once Moscow finishes another nuke or two, we should build the levee and shift the river tiles over from St. P. St. P will get better tiles to work once we blast Gandhi 
Let's go down in a blaze of glory!!! Once Moscow finishes another nuke or two, we should build the levee and shift the river tiles over from St. P. St. P will get better tiles to work once we blast Gandhi
Save's up. Sorry guys, I played too many turns (20 total). It was getting very tiring and I was quite sloppy towards the end...
Anyway... here it is:
More comments to follow...
Anyway... here it is:
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I lost Orenburg, and didn't see any other action from him.
More comments to follow...
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RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
Novgorod size 9 
... guess it's time to up culture slider a bit? Will comment after work, but nice warring
When did Churchill go in war mode? was he annoyed with us already?
... guess it's time to up culture slider a bit? Will comment after work, but nice warring When did Churchill go in war mode? was he annoyed with us already?
shyuhe
Deity
Churchill's been in war mode since my set. He's most likely after DeGaulle or Mao. Probably DG. He hated them when he went hands full, and was pleased or cautious with us. We should be safe.
Novgorod was a horrible move. Sorry. 
He had a pile of units, including a bunch of airships near there, and I panicked and rushed a mini-stack. Also, kept losing battles at the crab, so the city was starving a number of turns. It can't grow back very fast, either. I'd commit a group of workers to farming something over and workshopping it back. I was just emphasizing production all turnset, as the initial assault didn't quite have the numbers required.
Culture slider was up a bit for most turns. 20% should be fine for now.
I lost some galleons, so we need to get some out quickly now. Secondary cities can do that fine.
He had a pile of units, including a bunch of airships near there, and I panicked and rushed a mini-stack. Also, kept losing battles at the crab, so the city was starving a number of turns. It can't grow back very fast, either. I'd commit a group of workers to farming something over and workshopping it back. I was just emphasizing production all turnset, as the initial assault didn't quite have the numbers required. Culture slider was up a bit for most turns. 20% should be fine for now.
I lost some galleons, so we need to get some out quickly now. Secondary cities can do that fine.
Notes
Cities: Novgorod got whipped down too much. It needs a farm or two. Since we have decent cossack numbers, but still need some time before Chinese invasion and secondary cities can build ships while Moscow builds nukes, I think we can afford to grow Novgorod a while. Moscow got a military academy (I thought it was the best use for the GG, as it contributes to nuke output directly), but didn't get a levee, as it's a relatively small production boost (<10%) at this point. Maybe we should still build it, though. The secondary cities mainly got barracks/drydock/harbor and the like. Vladivostok lost both its fish to a frigate that beat me twice at high odds. Krasnoyarsk won back the fish from China, but lost the north fish - it has enough food for now.
Units: Lost only one cossack at 80% odds. We have just over 20 now. I've been promoing them with either C2 or Pinch, as I figure Flanking's useless here - we're attacking at high odds due to nukes. We do need numbers, though, as they station substantial amounts in cities and have reinforcements coming. So, for a city with 6-7 defenders, it's good to have 12 units at least, as the stack gets split during the capture. Also, the units heal fast after the nukes. Capturing the city on the same turn as the nuke is much better, ofc. The fallout restricting cossack movement is a bit of a pain. Leaving 2-3 options for a 1-turn strike is good. The AI's have decent naval numbers, so I think we should have a good number of frigates and SOL's ready for the start of the invasion. Currently we have close to enough cossacks, but are lagging in galleons and somewhat lagging in nukes. I have 2 ICBMs ready and 2 more being built. We need one for Vija and then I figured 2 for Beijing and Shanghai, to establish a beach head. The tactical nuke for Madurai is in Vladivostok, but we'll need a few turns to move the stack from Pataliputra over.
Tech: Do we need Eco? Looks like the Indian cities didn't lose their best tiles, luckily, but we could still use some of those fallout spots. The tech remaining to Radio/Combustion is substantial, though, as we probably won't be able to run a high rate from here. There's a lot of island cities, though, and ICBMs are costly, so I think sticking with the combustion line is the best.
New cities: They lose infrastructure, ofc... None of them are out of revolt yet, so I didn't think about builds too much, just assigned whatever seemed most important at first glance. After the basics, like granary/forge whatever, I'm wondering if we we need stuff like CH/Harbor/Market everywhere or if we should just be pumping units. I can't really imagine how bad the economic hit will be once we take over the AI continent and global warming hits.
Cities: Novgorod got whipped down too much. It needs a farm or two. Since we have decent cossack numbers, but still need some time before Chinese invasion and secondary cities can build ships while Moscow builds nukes, I think we can afford to grow Novgorod a while. Moscow got a military academy (I thought it was the best use for the GG, as it contributes to nuke output directly), but didn't get a levee, as it's a relatively small production boost (<10%) at this point. Maybe we should still build it, though. The secondary cities mainly got barracks/drydock/harbor and the like. Vladivostok lost both its fish to a frigate that beat me twice at high odds. Krasnoyarsk won back the fish from China, but lost the north fish - it has enough food for now.
Units: Lost only one cossack at 80% odds. We have just over 20 now. I've been promoing them with either C2 or Pinch, as I figure Flanking's useless here - we're attacking at high odds due to nukes. We do need numbers, though, as they station substantial amounts in cities and have reinforcements coming. So, for a city with 6-7 defenders, it's good to have 12 units at least, as the stack gets split during the capture. Also, the units heal fast after the nukes. Capturing the city on the same turn as the nuke is much better, ofc. The fallout restricting cossack movement is a bit of a pain. Leaving 2-3 options for a 1-turn strike is good. The AI's have decent naval numbers, so I think we should have a good number of frigates and SOL's ready for the start of the invasion. Currently we have close to enough cossacks, but are lagging in galleons and somewhat lagging in nukes. I have 2 ICBMs ready and 2 more being built. We need one for Vija and then I figured 2 for Beijing and Shanghai, to establish a beach head. The tactical nuke for Madurai is in Vladivostok, but we'll need a few turns to move the stack from Pataliputra over.
Tech: Do we need Eco? Looks like the Indian cities didn't lose their best tiles, luckily, but we could still use some of those fallout spots. The tech remaining to Radio/Combustion is substantial, though, as we probably won't be able to run a high rate from here. There's a lot of island cities, though, and ICBMs are costly, so I think sticking with the combustion line is the best.
New cities: They lose infrastructure, ofc... None of them are out of revolt yet, so I didn't think about builds too much, just assigned whatever seemed most important at first glance. After the basics, like granary/forge whatever, I'm wondering if we we need stuff like CH/Harbor/Market everywhere or if we should just be pumping units. I can't really imagine how bad the economic hit will be once we take over the AI continent and global warming hits.
Wow! Looks like XTeam is done - another team's member posted. Their previous save was in 1878. 
I really can't wait to see how MW and X did it. Seems like blazing fast research and probably a great block against Gandhi?
I really can't wait to see how MW and X did it. Seems like blazing fast research and probably a great block against Gandhi?I think we should just put production infastructure and maybe courthouses in our new cities as we are production limited and research infastructure will be too late to make mush different in these cities at this point.
A combination of state property and the forbidden palace on the new continent should stop our economy collapsing.
Could we not build more cheaper tactical nukes instead of ICBM's?
I don't think the amount of fallout influences global warming so ecologies use is limited but it is probably still the most useful tech we can get in the near future.
At the end of the last golden age we may want to switch to emancipation to avoid having to use the culture slider too much.
A combination of state property and the forbidden palace on the new continent should stop our economy collapsing.
Could we not build more cheaper tactical nukes instead of ICBM's?
I don't think the amount of fallout influences global warming so ecologies use is limited but it is probably still the most useful tech we can get in the near future.
At the end of the last golden age we may want to switch to emancipation to avoid having to use the culture slider too much.
Yes we should build tactical nukes for the most part. I just thought we'd need a couple of ICBM's to hit the first cities on the AI continent. Then rebase tactical nukes and go from there.
Golden ages are done. I finished GM end of the first one and started another for the slavery switch and another production boost. I only got Democracy in a trade a few turns ago, and couldn't switch by the end of the GA, due to previous revolt, unfortunately. I'm not sure what's better - Caste gives us the workshop bonus + we have free specialists now with SoL, but emancipation is worth a few pop in every city... I'd probably do a revolt when it's convenient.
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
Courthouses and FP are useless (of limited use at least ) in SP
I would go forge -> theater (to enhance culture slider) -> rax in new city, skipping rax in case of city devoted to nukes. edit: ofc I assumed granary first...
question
: how do fallout work? we can't improve tile?
edit2: emancipation won't be a factor once we stop teching (culture slider). and it will decrease as AIs die. Furthermore we can attempt one of the late game wonders giving happiness?
I would go forge -> theater (to enhance culture slider) -> rax in new city, skipping rax in case of city devoted to nukes. edit: ofc I assumed granary first...
question
: how do fallout work? we can't improve tile?edit2: emancipation won't be a factor once we stop teching (culture slider). and it will decrease as AIs die. Furthermore we can attempt one of the late game wonders giving happiness?
^ No, we need Ecology to be able to clear the fallout.
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
I would research radio BEFORE combustion to be able to carry tacticals oversea with submarines (don't require oil funnily).
Do we really need more techs after radio? Going with infanties/subs/nukes/cossacks/galleons/airships (I like those don't know why) would have several advantages: possibility of unlimited happiness (no need to leave cast, no lose of production), possibility of rush buy. We can also max out workshops in all cities in this case.
Researching ecology to remove fall outs (tx BBP, I had read your previous post too fast) is another subject... not sure of what the other think? If we keep some tiles after a nuke, I can live without it personally (to be clear, my vote would be research radio then stop - in anycase we can research something later in case we feel a need, but over researching would bring penalties).
Some micro needs to be done on cities, growing some, and adjusting specialists (citizen in Novgorod is
)... I guess BBP got surprised by SoL capture
1878 is a damn fine finishing date for XTeam!
Do we really need more techs after radio? Going with infanties/subs/nukes/cossacks/galleons/airships (I like those don't know why
) would have several advantages: possibility of unlimited happiness (no need to leave cast, no lose of production), possibility of rush buy. We can also max out workshops in all cities in this case. Researching ecology to remove fall outs (tx BBP, I had read your previous post too fast
) is another subject... not sure of what the other think? If we keep some tiles after a nuke, I can live without it personally (to be clear, my vote would be research radio then stop - in anycase we can research something later in case we feel a need, but over researching would bring penalties).Some micro needs to be done on cities, growing some, and adjusting specialists (citizen in Novgorod is
)... I guess BBP got surprised by SoL capture 1878 is a damn fine finishing date for XTeam!
Some micro needs to be done on cities, growing some, and adjusting specialists (citizen in Novgorod is
Yeah, the SOL capture threw me off a bit. It's not so much that, though, the cities kept going in and out of unhappy and re-assigned. I was running Eng in Novgorod for most turns, I think.Didn't finish then. That's the save before finish and they've been playing longish sets throughout. Still impressive, though, if they're really done.
shyuhe
Deity
You have to nuke fewer cities if you finish sooner. We probably would have managed a significantly better date if it hadn't been for the barb gaffe and Gandhi...
We should just pick up radio - as RRR pointed out, fission allows nuclear powered subs instead of oil powered subs. That will let us use tactical nukes instead of ICBMs.
I wouldn't bother too much with ecology at this point. The fallout eventually fades, and I think the money would be better spent on the culture slider and stuff.
Our economy shouldn't collapse since we have state property. Gandhi's cities should have enough decent tiles left to keep us afloat while we go after the big boys.
We should just pick up radio - as RRR pointed out, fission allows nuclear powered subs instead of oil powered subs. That will let us use tactical nukes instead of ICBMs.
I wouldn't bother too much with ecology at this point. The fallout eventually fades, and I think the money would be better spent on the culture slider and stuff.
Our economy shouldn't collapse since we have state property. Gandhi's cities should have enough decent tiles left to keep us afloat while we go after the big boys.
I can play some turns later today. We need to get a move on.
I think we should go for radio next for sub carried tactical nukes.
Build factories/dikes/coal plant in our best production cities.
Once we have pushed Gandhi off our continent I propose making a temporary peace and then attacking De Gaulle. This should top him taking any more cities on the barb continent (at the moment he is the only one likely too).
We can open a second front against the French cities on the barb continent. Once we have these that stack can go on to attack the remaining Indian cities. The stack on the big continent can attack Churchill after we have the French cities their.
I think we should go for radio next for sub carried tactical nukes.
Build factories/dikes/coal plant in our best production cities.
Once we have pushed Gandhi off our continent I propose making a temporary peace and then attacking De Gaulle. This should top him taking any more cities on the barb continent (at the moment he is the only one likely too).
We can open a second front against the French cities on the barb continent. Once we have these that stack can go on to attack the remaining Indian cities. The stack on the big continent can attack Churchill after we have the French cities their.
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
Ok with your war plan. I am hoping to be able to play some turns today once you are done (not sure I can play tomorrow).
What civics do you plan to use once we are done with radio? I think PS/bureau/caste/SP/FR or US/bureau...
What civics do you plan to use once we are done with radio? I think PS/bureau/caste/SP/FR or US/bureau...
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