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SGOTM 11 - One Short Straw
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Sounds good, mdy. Let's get this show on the road. 
This got ignored. Not sure if I should assume disagreement, or if it got lost in the sea of posts yesterday.
Yeah, ok. I automatically figured the diplo bonus is negligible and there's more of a chance of getting value from stuff like Alphabet and Math if we keep them slow for the moment. It's irrelevant, on second thought, since we already established that there isn't much of anything they can offer us in trade just yet. I guess speeding them up to next level techs is the better option.
Wait, where's the first settler going then? Crab? As in 2N1W of the western Fish? I assume the main motivation behind that is fast exploration to the west and fast WBs to 2Fish? I guess it's OK, somehow I was assuming we'd settle the Clam city before that and use the Rice one to whip(+chop, I don't think it really needs that health) out WBs. I managed to miss most of this settling order discussion somehow I think 
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@mdy, I hope you meant clam when you typed crab? 
We're talking about Marble City, right?
EDIT: Good grief, guys. I just figured it out...I put crabs in teh test save instead of clams up by the marble. Nobody told me...
We're talking about Marble City, right?EDIT: Good grief, guys. I just figured it out...I put crabs in teh test save instead of clams up by the marble. Nobody told me...
I've been confused about this all along... I think the clams have mysteriously transformed into crabs in the test file, or something along those lines.
Edit: x-post, I see you figured it out.
Edit: x-post, I see you figured it out.
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Good luck, mdy!
I've played.
Our workboat explorers have encountered Spain to the East, unfortunately she blocks off further exploration in that direction and we can't open borders, so that workboat could be redirected to the clams city. The island between Zara and Spain is probably a better 7th city site than the one we were considering- especially as it contains one of the essential luxuries-ivory. I think we should whip/chop a galley in the Oasis city and settle it before the incense/horses site.
We also made contact with Japan, via a workboat he sent form the west.
We don't have trade routes with Justinian without open borders, and unfortunately our religion did not spread to any more cities.
Our workboat explorers have encountered Spain to the East, unfortunately she blocks off further exploration in that direction and we can't open borders, so that workboat could be redirected to the clams city. The island between Zara and Spain is probably a better 7th city site than the one we were considering- especially as it contains one of the essential luxuries-ivory. I think we should whip/chop a galley in the Oasis city and settle it before the incense/horses site.
We also made contact with Japan, via a workboat he sent form the west.
We don't have trade routes with Justinian without open borders, and unfortunately our religion did not spread to any more cities.
OK, first and foremost, why you did not stop turn set when you discover something extremely important, Ivory. The moment you saw ivory you should had stopped.
Now Spain has galey near it, settler or not?
But does not matter Oasis city should switch to Galey, which should get chop and whip to finish. settler should be redirected to this island!
Now Spain has galey near it, settler or not?
But does not matter Oasis city should switch to Galey, which should get chop and whip to finish. settler should be redirected to this island!
you did not see galey I am sure. No We can do something about it.
AI Most likely will settle on west most corner, as it has most food (Taking in account Zara cultural space food.
In this case we can settle on other end of this island. Open border is not a problem, we are spiritual, go into no state religion and here are open borders.
AI Most likely will settle on west most corner, as it has most food (Taking in account Zara cultural space food.
In this case we can settle on other end of this island. Open border is not a problem, we are spiritual, go into no state religion and here are open borders.
We could chop/whip galley in 5t. One of the existing settlers could be there in 4...
Edit: Mut, I thought the same thing, but I'd expect her to settle the eastern GH after all??? The westernmost tile is culture pressed and not any better.
Edit: Mut, I thought the same thing, but I'd expect her to settle the eastern GH after all??? The westernmost tile is culture pressed and not any better.
I dont think we can do anything if isa settles there but i see no big problem as she'll have 2 sources of ivory and thus trade one away, we must make sure we get it. Should try to gift her techs to stop being WE and have OB, not sure retreating WB is good.
Toku with 7 cities
gotta find his land soon. Do we still want to try and convert just? looks like diplo will be very tough, we might do better to adapt buddhism/judaism to buddy up someone else. Convert to NSR soon?
I see both settlers on go-to. DO NOT DO THIS EVER, especially at the end of the set. If the active settler on go-to moves we are not allowed to cancel that action next time we open the save!!
Issy only knows us and zara, I thought toku WB came from the east? Toku knows us and Just (not zara).
Switch to rep but stay in slavery? We need settlers, workers and ships now. GP later. Rep solves-issues so we're fine to switch to NSR.
Toku with 7 cities
gotta find his land soon. Do we still want to try and convert just? looks like diplo will be very tough, we might do better to adapt buddhism/judaism to buddy up someone else. Convert to NSR soon?I see both settlers on go-to. DO NOT DO THIS EVER, especially at the end of the set. If the active settler on go-to moves we are not allowed to cancel that action next time we open the save!!
Issy only knows us and zara, I thought toku WB came from the east? Toku knows us and Just (not zara).
Switch to rep but stay in slavery? We need settlers, workers and ships now. GP later. Rep solves
-issues so we're fine to switch to NSR.ok, One can not culture pressure across the water, not pass fat cross.
So, if Isa settle east most or west most we Can settle there, and we need to get galley/settler/conf missionary there ASP. (we might want to culture pressure Isa city for ivory).
AI tent to be reluctant to trade Ivory, because it is strategic resource. (Open elephant)
In short, chop/whip galley and sent settler/conf missionary there.
Representation will solve happiness problem, so we can revolt to representation/non state religion and open border with Isa.. so WB should stay for the moment to see where Isa will settle and then continue exploration east.
Even if isa will settle in the middle of this island, it is still be nice to have galley ready and send land explorer on Isa land.
It is underlining importance of exploration, we need to send WB North and east ASAP.
What if there an other resources near by? It is possible there are 3 of them east/north and west.
Edit: Thanks god who ever is playing can cancel Go to orders, but we who is just looking can not.
So, if Isa settle east most or west most we Can settle there, and we need to get galley/settler/conf missionary there ASP. (we might want to culture pressure Isa city for ivory).
AI tent to be reluctant to trade Ivory, because it is strategic resource. (Open elephant)
In short, chop/whip galley and sent settler/conf missionary there.
Representation will solve happiness problem, so we can revolt to representation/non state religion and open border with Isa.. so WB should stay for the moment to see where Isa will settle and then continue exploration east.
Even if isa will settle in the middle of this island, it is still be nice to have galley ready and send land explorer on Isa land.
It is underlining importance of exploration, we need to send WB North and east ASAP.
What if there an other resources near by? It is possible there are 3 of them east/north and west.
Edit: Thanks god who ever is playing can cancel Go to orders, but we who is just looking can not.
That was a typo, it did come from the West.
Izzy is basicly impossible to deal with if we don't have her religion. Temporairily switching to it will do no good as we need it at the end of the game not the beginning. We may be able to find another source of Ivory so losing access to these two may not be a major problem. Alternatively we are Izzy's worse enemy, if she does settle there we may be able to provoke her into declaring war on us, which would allow us to take the island.
mdy, could you post some screenshots - it's easier to discuss that way.
There are two sources, but I would rather settle it, than depend on a later trade (not to mention that it's actually not a bad city - probably better than any other options we have beyond the first 6). I'd be inclined to chop/whip a galley and re-route one of the existing settlers. We can probably see Izzy's intent in 1-2t. If she settles, we can still continue with our original plan with just a 2-3t delay in settling marble.
Definitely switch to NSR temporarily and have that WB continue exploring east. We don't need the happy right now. The diplo sitch is tricky, but we could have expected that. Ideally, all of us, Just and Zara end up in Buddhism or something along those lines. That's a touch unlikely, though? I think we might be best off spreading Confu to Zara now, as he is quite close to Izzy for Buddhist spread.
There are two sources, but I would rather settle it, than depend on a later trade (not to mention that it's actually not a bad city - probably better than any other options we have beyond the first 6). I'd be inclined to chop/whip a galley and re-route one of the existing settlers. We can probably see Izzy's intent in 1-2t. If she settles, we can still continue with our original plan with just a 2-3t delay in settling marble.
Definitely switch to NSR temporarily and have that WB continue exploring east. We don't need the happy right now. The diplo sitch is tricky, but we could have expected that. Ideally, all of us, Just and Zara end up in Buddhism or something along those lines. That's a touch unlikely, though? I think we might be best off spreading Confu to Zara now, as he is quite close to Izzy for Buddhist spread.
We now have 3/4 AI's with Theocracy as a fave civic. Saladin's the only one left. Toku's is Merc, and Roos is the only other with that.
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