SGOTM 12 - One Short Straw

bcool · Dec 21, 2010

log part 2

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babybluepants · Dec 21, 2010

Sure, make the trades. Annoying to give them Nat for so little, but worth getting Mining Inc. 1t earlier. Gandhi would give it to Roosevelt, right?

bcool · Dec 21, 2010

I'll start playing again in about an hour.

I'll trade Nationalism to both for ~410 gold. I'll build a caravel in Hastings instead of the 5th galley for Newcastle. If we make peace with Churchill I should be able to send a galley from Xian area down to Newcastle so we have the planned 7 galleys in Xian and 5 galleys in NewCastle.

I'll try to build a trireme with plan to upgrade it if necessary to frigate with gold or just convert build to frigate when we get astronomy (which could be a while since the gold is running out and if Roosy doesn't research it for us soon)

I think it would be cheaper to steal astronomy, anyone want to work out the details on the espionage steal from Gandhi?

babybluepants · Dec 21, 2010

Yeah, I think you can just continue. Don't worry about WW, just take Warwick and let's sign a peace treaty, I think. We should be able to clear the fallout around Coventry later. Though he could actually build some settlers for the south and make our job more of a PITA.

I'm not super crazy about just giving Roosevelt the ability to draft, given that he could go into WHEOOHRN any moment now. It's ok, though. He already has a pile of units anyway, so if it comes to that, we'll have to deal regardless.

Seems we'll need theaters, maybe even a few colosseums and culture slider sooner rather than later. The Gandhi war will result in some WW, as well.

bcool · Dec 21, 2010

Churchill won't give up Marseilles but he will give up Steam should I take it?

I think the research a city produces equals the gold it costs at this point.

babybluepants · Dec 21, 2010

What do you mean give up? We can extort a city in the peace treaty? Don't know. How long before we can even get it set up? Mining Inc will take a while to get there.

bcool · Dec 21, 2010

Yes I can get a peace treaty with Churchill this turn, and he will give up Steam in a peace deal.

The value of trade routes plus commerce from lake would give more research than gold in maintenance including inflation. Even if mining inc doesn't get there any time soon.

Or we could gift it to Mao or something later.

babybluepants · Dec 21, 2010

Ok, take it. It can work some tiles outside of Rheims/Pigs at least.

bcool · Dec 21, 2010

took steam 17 research only 8.3 maintenance *1.4 inflation decent.

LowtherCastle · Dec 21, 2010

Next turn you can cancel our trade deal to Roosy giving him our rice. Trade him non-sushi resources instead.

Mitchum · Dec 21, 2010

LowtherCastle said:
Next turn you can cancel our trade deal to Roosy giving him our rice. Trade him non-sushi resources instead.

Did I do that? :blush:

Mitchum · Dec 21, 2010

babybluepants said:
Seems we'll need theaters, maybe even a few colosseums and culture slider sooner rather than later. The Gandhi war will result in some WW, as well.

I thought WW was calculated on a civ-by-civ basis. If so, then as long as we're not at war with both Gandhi and Churchill at the same time, we should be fine for a while as it will take time to accumulate WW against Gandhi.

@LC I've seen you quote how much WW we have against each civ. Where do you find that?

LowtherCastle · Dec 21, 2010

It's up at the top of the F4 screen where you can see the numerical attitudes of all the players. Hover the mouse over each AI at the top and it shows our WW points.

Mitchum · Dec 21, 2010

Things are looking good. I just looked as the save and I have a few minor comments:

I would put the units near Marseilles at Marseilles-2W so that they can cover Orleans and Rheims. As it stands now, he could move several units north and really threaten Orleans. Although, now that we're signing a Peace Treaty, it won't be an issue for 10 turns at least.

There is going to be a huge amount of lost overflow in Moscow when building missionaries. Plus, there are tiles that produce 1F,5H and others that produce 1F,5H,2C. Be sure to work the tiles that give the commerce.

Should we convert some of the farms in Siberia to workshops? Plus, I thought we were going to build a levee there since it is the single most effective hammer-to-benifit build we have empire wide per LC.

GP Farm could work fewer food tiles and more artists. We really need to push this city to get the most gpp as possible. It is conceivable to get 3 GPs from here, although I haven't done the math. Plus, the sooner it spits out a GArt the sooner it can start working merchants or scientists.

Orleans could use a university.

I see you're building a worker in Bcool Island. I thought we agreed that we have enough or can capture more. I think there are more important things to build and if not, wealth.

Orleans can take the rice back if Hammer City isn't going to use it.

bcool · Dec 21, 2010

okay 1 turn from railroad, replaced trades with Rosey get rice back and combined gold trades into 1 for 7 gold

existing sushi executives
1 for Roosy
1 for Beijing
1 for London (from Rheims)
1 for Hastings or Tours this turn (to get 2nd coal earlier from sushi culture bonus)
1 for The Crabbes

saved overflow in Hastings for Ironclad (not sure about that decision)

Going 90% (can go 60% and still finish) research to finish RR easily, 10% wealth to have some gold to spread corporations next turn.

Should I go 40% espionage to get eyes on Roosy's research next turn (+703 espionage)
Could build wealth to give enough gold to spread 1 sushi next turn (only need 1 because other executives will be on the move next turn except maybe one for Tours)

We lack any protection for our galleys but they will soon be in position for assault on gandhi

bcool · Dec 21, 2010

Things are looking good. I just looked as the save and I have a few minor comments:

I would put the units near Marseilles at Marseilles-2W so that they can cover Orleans and Rheims. As it stands now, he could move several units north and really threaten Orleans. Although, now that we're signing a Peace Treaty, it won't be an issue for 10 turns at least.

There is going to be a huge amount of lost overflow in Moscow when building missionaries. Plus, there are tiles that produce 1F,5H and others that produce 1F,5H,2C. Be sure to work the tiles that give the commerce.

Should we convert some of the farms in Siberia to workshops? Plus, I thought we were going to build a levee there since it is the single most effective hammer-to-benifit build we have empire wide per LC.

GP Farm could work fewer food tiles and more artists. We really need to push this city to get the most gpp as possible. It is conceivable to get 3 GPs from here, although I haven't done the math. Plus, the sooner it spits out a GArt the sooner it can start working merchants or scientists.

Orleans could use a university.

I see you're building a worker in Bcool Island. I thought we agreed that we have enough or can capture more. I think there are more important things to build and if not, wealth.

Orleans can take the rice back if Hammer City isn't going to use it.

peace with Churchill, but yes that was a risk I missed

Doesn't the overflow go into wealth? or is that feature completely gone. We need the confu missionary for London and Bahamas. We are going to overflow that build no matter what we do. I will work commerce 1F5H tiles in Moscow.

Converting farms in Siberia to workshops is a good idea. Should I do that before clearing fallout? It could keep growing a little bit. I am building a levee now as per PPP (sushi executives first) I was stretching the hammers to produce them 1 per turn (which is why I wasn't working farms or specialists)

~~I'm slowing GP Farm down so Fish can go first with the GM.~~
sorry I meant I'm slowing down Pigs, but you were talking about GP Farm , silly me got confused since our NE is in Pigs
GP Farm will start to need those Farms to keep growing and I'm keeping up with the spreadsheet numbers.

Orleans wants to build a University, but wealth has been tight so after RR I think

Bcool Island needed workers to get coal online! and it had 4 mining inc resources covered by fallout. It needed workers. I wanted that coal 2 turns ago, an ironclad would have been so nice.
I disagree about workers being less important than wealth.

Orleans took the rice back will give it back eventually.

Mitchum · Dec 21, 2010

bcool said:
okay 1 turn from railroad

Rock and roll!!

bcool said:
existing sushi executives
1 for London (from Rheims)
1 for Hastings or Tours this turn (to get 2nd coal earlier from sushi culture bonus)
1 for The Crabbes

London? It will be in revolt for a while still. I'd be more inclined to get our Old China cities growing. They are growing painfully slow at the moment but could become great cities.

bcool said:
saved overflow in Hastings for Ironclad (not sure about that decision)

I hate Ironclads... Will it be able to get over to protect our galleys from Gandhi in time? If not, I'd build something else.

bcool said:
Going 90% (can go 60% and still finish) research to finish RR easily, 10% wealth to have some gold to spread corporations next turn.

I'd go minimum slider (60%) to get RR done in 1 turn and then 0% an Assembly line until we get eyes on Roosevelt's research.

bcool said:
Should I go 40% espionage to get eyes on Roosy's research next turn (+703 espionage)

I wouldn't. We'll see what he's researching through passive espionage. I'd save our gold for the big executive spread coming up, which will soon include Mining Inc as well. Plus we can research at 0% (100% gold) until we know what he's researching.

bcool · Dec 21, 2010

I can divert the Sushi executive going to London, but need to time that well. Spreading there when in revolt makes us money in Fish without the maintenance cost so spreading while in revolt isn't too bad though.

Mitchum · Dec 21, 2010

bcool said:
Doesn't the overflow go into wealth?

That's what LC said, but I've never tested it since it doesn't come up often enough in my games.

bcool said:
Converting farms in Siberia to workshops is a good idea. Should I do that before clearing fallout?

Yes. We get the benefit from the hammers now but we don't need the fallout cleared up until the end of the game. I would have pre-built them during my turnset if I realized how much excess food Siberia would have in Caste System (+1F for workshops) and Sushi.

bcool said:
It could keep growing a little bit. I am building a levee now as per PPP (sushi executives first) I was stretching the hammers to produce them 1 per turn (which is why I wasn't working farms or specialists)

OK. You haven't laid out your Mining Inc spread plan, but I would expect to spread it to Siberia and/or Moscow first. These cities will be able to crank out executives in no time.

bcool said:
I'm slowing GP Farm down so Fish can go first with the GM.

Oh yes. I forgot about that. As soon as it makes sense, we need to put GP Farm into gpp over drive.

bcool said:
Bcool Island needed workers to get coal online! and it had 4 mining inc resources covered by fallout. It needed workers. I wanted that coal 2 turns ago, an ironclad would have been so nice.
I disagree about workers being less important than wealth.

I agree that workers are more important than wealth. However, I thought we agreed that our work force was large enough and would be augmented during our wars. In any event, an extra worker on Bcool's island will be useful.

Keep up the awesome work!! :goodjob:

How far to you plan to play before uploading another save?

bcool · Dec 21, 2010

I was going to upload after finishing RR, need to figure out the war plans after Churchill's caravel threw a wrench in those plans

I'm going to go 60% research then and finish RR and save a bit of gold for corporation spreading.

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