Ive had a play around with a test save. I think its the one I downloaded from one of Liefs posts its a bit hard to remember with the various test saves that have been posted. I noticed WW at the beginning a lot higher in this test file than the real save were looking at 118 and 140 with various people in this one instead of 97 with each. I notice also that tech trading is not allowed with Gandhi like it is in the real save. This might make a difference because it would allow earlier peace with Gandhi quite possibly, and maybe a tech benefit thereafter.
I played a couple of different starting spots but I think the NNE is best. In that one, I opened very similar to Leifs last log, worker til fishing, then WBoat/Bworking back to worker.
I put archery in early so that I could build archers rather than warriors fearing military interference, though as it happens I didnt get any. I saw some of Stailins archers, but they didnt attack, Maybe because I had archers defending? I built no warriors at all.
Didnt get interference from Stalin by sea either, and am studying sailing when I stopped playing. I wonder if sailing might be useful earlier. Not sure where to put it in though.
Tech order I used was Fishing, BW, AH, archery, wheel, pottery, writing, Agric, sailing (sailing still 5 turns away at 1200BC) I had 3 cities settled by 1720BC and two workers working by 1360BC with a third worker nearly finished at 1200BC. Quite similar to the last log Lief posted except that I got archery in there. The gold mine once completed and roaded is actually a big deal. Having both cows pastured paid well too. The fish is a good early tile once the first workboat is built and I like having it usable by either Moscow or Novgorod.
I used BW for slavery with the settlers and workers, but left the forests all alone. I might have done better to use some worker turns chopping another worker instead of pasturing the second cows perhaps. Particularly if Id done that straight after completing the gold mine, that might have advanced me by a few turns.
Im not sure what I proved except that NNE starting spot is hard to beat and that early archery gives some feeling of security! We need to get workers out quick and I think fishing is vital as early as possible given that so many land tiles are spoiled by fallout. In this save theres not really much point going beyond three cities before really spamming workers Id be whipping a couple more quite soon if I continued with this save. My basic strategy with whipping was growing Moscow to size 4 ASAP, whipping a settler or worker for 2 pop, then putting out archers in between while it grew back to size 4 (that was after workboats had already been produced). Oh and the WW unhappies are really not a problem. I never saw more than one unhappy from WW.
Heres some notes I made from the game I played settling NNE of starting spot, for what theyre worth. The other spots I tried I didnt do as well.
3960BC settle Moscow NNE of starting position, we have 1 unhealth but only 1 unhappy from WW. Start worker, working only available tile the forest S of Moscow, research fishing
3800BC DeGaulle is willing to talk but we cant pay enough for peace
3720BC Gandhi ditto
3680BC everyone else except Roosevelt Ditto, fishing finished, start BW. Continue using forest for the hammer to get WB quicker, which I now switch to.
3600BC Now Roosevelt joins the crowd willing to talk but demanding more than we can pay for peace.
3520BC Hinduism founded, Gandhi adopts Hinduism. WW seems to be steadily dropping with everyone. Is this what is supposed to happen??
3240BC Buddhism founded, De Gaulle adopts Buddhism
3080BC BW finished, start AH, Workboat finished, back to worker, revolt to slavery, send WB to fish (since they give one more food than clams)
3040BC set up nets on the fish, swap to using that tile, Moscow healthy again
2800BC Churchill adopts slavery
2720BC Worker complete, start another WB, WW unhappy has disappeared in Moscow
2680BC start scrubbing fallout on cow grassland to west of Moscow
2640BC Moscow to size 2, unhealthy again, 1 WW unhappy again, but WW numbers still decreasing
2600BC finish AH, start archery
2520BC Stalin adopts slavery
2440BC start pasturing cows, Moscow to size 3. Use 2 forest besides fish to get WB done quicker, will switch to cow tile when pasture finished
2400BC finish archery, start on wheel
2320BC Cow pasture completed
2280BC Gandhi founds Bombay, move worker to gold plains hill
2240BC WB completes, put nets on clams, start scrubbing fallout on gold hill, start archer while waiting one turn for Moscow to grow to size 4
2200BC Moscow size 4 with 1 unhappy citizen 1 unhappy from WW, 1 from no military protection, swap build to settler
2160BC Churchill founds York, whip settler for 2 pop
2120BC Wheel finished, start pottery
2080BC Roosevelt adopts slavery
2000BC start gold mine, Moscow to size 3
1960BC archer completes, start another archer, settle St. Pete on plains hill to south, start worker using silk. Everyone is now willing to offer peace if we give them St. Pete. I dont.
1920BC Roosevelt founds New York
1880BC Moscow to size 4, start a settler, gold mine completed, De Gaulle founds Orleans
1840BC Pottery Completed, start Writing, whip settler for 2 pop, start roading gold mine
1760BC move worker to eastern cows
1720BC Gandhi founds third city, Mao founds second city, start scrubbing fallout on eastern cows, found Novgorod NNW of copper near Stalins border (archer accompanied settler) Novgorod uses fish Moscow has been using, Moscow uses clams instead
1680BC Archer -> Archer in Moscow
1640BC Stalin WB spotted to the north
1560BC Churchill founds third city, Stalin WB has disappeared
1520BC Moscow Archer -> Archer
1480BC Finish writing start Agriculture, start pasturing eastern cows.
1440BC Moscow to size 4, start worker
1400BC Whip worker for 2 pop in Moscow
1320BC Moscow Archer -> Granary, Novgorod to size 3
1280BC Agric finished, start sailing (going to need some galleys soon, methinks)
1200BC stopped playing, WW has dropped to really small levels now
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Here's a shot of the starting area at 1200BC:
