SGOTM 14 - Misfit Gypsy Nuts

Sleepless · Oct 26, 2011

West Point is 800 hammers 400 reduced with having stone. that is a lot of hammers and alot of time spent building it. Time and hammers which would be much better used building units!! So I would ignore WP this game.

Agree Nat would be a good civic though we can't draft till the Indians are dead or we have more culture in there cities. But drafting out of Boston - NO - Philadelphia and cities like that with our high happy cap is a good idea.

Draft is even better when we can get rifles. There only 4 techs away and if we bulb PP (if a GS) 3 and a TM from the economics GM not very far away at all.

So I will put my recommendations in as

Civics. Rep/Nat/Slave/Merc/Theo.

Tech - Economics @0% until Oxford is built - PP - RP - Rifles.

The Wiz - Def doesn't look like his in the top mountain range. The one in the middle West of Shaka looks more of a possibilty. If we build a city next to the iron West of Khangela and concentrate on getting a wb out of there we should know more. Also looks like the ice pack is put there to stop us getting land access so seems even more likely that is where we find him.

Of course we could always wait till we attack Shaka for the boat as we need to do that next anyway.

Ozbenno · Oct 26, 2011

OK, I'll take that on board, whipping will be done. Want to whip that theatre in any case.

Civics. Rep/Nat/Slave/Merc/Theo - Don't really need bureaucracy so Nationhood seems OK.

Tech will be wound down until Oxford finishes. Economics and then onto Rifling.

Will get the pike to the front for some action, means he is less effective as a healer as I'm moving straight through captured cities as we have the weight of numbers. Problem is that he will be the top defender against war elephants and HAs so there is a (very small) chance he could die. Will use the second GG on the chariot maybe or another pike that is hanging around somewhere at the front.

Do we want to start assembling a stack for Ragnar, we should have enough to roll Asoka at the moment.

Grifftavian · Oct 26, 2011

Based on the results from G-Minor 130, maybe we should have gone for diplomatic victory! Congrats Ozbenno :trophy:

& Ronnie 1 :trophy3rd:

Ozbenno · Oct 26, 2011

Grifftavian said:
Congrats Ozbenno & Ronnie 1

Thanks.

If we think that the wizard is west of Shaka getting that city nearby is a priority, can also be a staging point for our attack there as well. I'll get a settler built and a worker and longbow to accompany.

Sleepless · Oct 27, 2011

Ozbenno said:
If we think that the wizard is west of Shaka getting that city nearby is a priority, can also be a staging point for our attack there as well. I'll get a settler built and a worker and longbow to accompany.

Looking at the map and the amount of tiles needed for domination don't think there is any real need atm. I think that is where the Wiz (because of the placed ice pack) is but we are a long way off domination and need to take Shaka/Mansa's lands to do this.

Of course there is a possibility of still going for a UN win if we think we can do it quicker than domination.

Not sure how teams work on this or are they individuals? We would probably need GK/Liz group and Ghandi to vote for us. Or possibly just Ghandi/GK with all the land we will have from Asoka/Ragnar.

Of course saying that then we do need a city on the site to get access or send ships down below Shaka's lands. Probably the latter would be better if we don't attack him.

Still something to think about but we do need to finish Asoka and well on the way to finishing Ragnar first.

Military for Asoka? We still need more troops/defenders as our current troops need to heal and still have 8 (?) cities to take so more wounded and possible losses.

Civic changes. Need to leave till the last turn so Munchkin gets the bureacracy bonus for building Oxford.

Good Luck on the rest Ozbenno.

Ozbenno · Oct 27, 2011

Sleepless said:
Civic changes. Need to leave till the last turn so Munchkin gets the bureacracy bonus for building Oxford.

Noted.

There is all the land in the SE corner that we don't know about either. We can explore this after taking down more of Asoka.

As for more troops for Asoka, we haven't lost a single unit yet, so will have 20+ curassiers on the front lines here. I think this is enough but can send down more but we should start up a second front. Could get 10+ curassiers ready for Ragnar in a few turns and start a second front, take the first few cities and wait for the Asoka forces to head that way.

Sleepless · Oct 27, 2011

Ozbenno said:
Noted.

There is all the land in the SE corner that we don't know about either. We can explore this after taking down more of Asoka.

As for more troops for Asoka, we haven't lost a single unit yet, so will have 20+ curassiers on the front lines here. I think this is enough but can send down more but we should start up a second front. Could get 10+ curassiers ready for Ragnar in a few turns and start a second front, take the first few cities and wait for the Asoka forces to head that way.

Why I mentioned getting a road built asap down to NO and beyond to speed up our attack on Ragnar. I assume he's building a few more troops. Obviously not alot left of his original ones.

Asoka is till likely to have 30+ troops around with his amount of cities and though he will fall easily the need to heal some troops will delay it hence I think we still need more troops. Might be an idea to promote the chariot medic 1 in the stack and send it to NO along with other wounded troops unlikely to take further part in the attack on Asoka.

Ozbenno · Oct 27, 2011

Lost my original post :mad:

Played until the end of the GA, changed civics last turn. Economy tanked but I queued up some courthouses to be whipped in the next turn or two.

Took another city and would have had a second but I lost a unit, will be ours next turn.

Stopped where I did because Ragnar is back

We can move the curassiers north to attack, which isn't across the river, so odds are we can wipe most of the stack.

Plenty of units are heading down as well for re-inforcements.

I won't get another chance to play for a few days so someone else can take this over.

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Ronnie1 · Oct 27, 2011

Nice work Ozbenno!

The roster order is....

1) McArine - in the hole
2) Ronnie1 - waiting
3) Sleepless - waiting
4) Ozbenno - just played
5) Jericho Hill - UP NOW
6) Grifftavian - on deck

Advising only as of October 27th

Adrianj
Conquistador63....in limbo
JonShaw
da_Vinci

AWOL
Mighty Dwarf
ngraner42

@Griff....we haven't heard anything from JH for a while, so be ready to pick this tomorrow please.

Grifftavian · Oct 27, 2011

Ronnie1 said:
...
@Griff....we haven't heard anything from JH for a while, so be ready to pick this tomorrow please.

OK, standing by if needed.

Sleepless · Oct 27, 2011

Ozbenno.

few thoughts:

Looking at the tech screen both Ghandi/Mansa have Edu guess they just traded Nat for it. This means Economics is open and we really want the GM so...

I would whip Oxford in Munchkin this turn and run at 100% science till we get Economics. Should just be able to afford it and beat the Ai to it.

City builds? Our wealth rate unsurprisingly has dropped so after we get Economics we need to concentrate on getting alot of courthouses out. One of the reasons I preferred slavery over caste. So mass whipping of courthouses is in order.

Ragnars stack. It has 3 pikes 1 has formation. I would def attack with cuirassiers though this turn. The level 3 has 47% odds of survival/winning crossing the river so odds will be even better from 1n. Just as important they will flank the Trebs as well. We have 2 cuirassiers that can move from kolhapur onto the silk tile this turn as well blocking that tile if we kill the pikes. Can always move a lb or pike onto the forest square if needs be.

Resource trades. Sell Shaka our marble for 5 gold and clams to Liz for 2. Gives us a bit more gold per turn and nearly break even at 0%

.

Kolhapur max hammers and pop borders this turn to pick up crabs next turn though haven't really looked into city builds/tile uses.

City on the hill 3 W of khangela still a possibility we can think about to get a boat into the water there if it hasn't been taken already. Could send the chariot in Philly to have a look.

Sleepless · Oct 27, 2011

Also might be an idea for someone to play 1 turn and attack Ragnars stack and see what remains?

Conquistador 63 · Oct 27, 2011

I have one question related to the cuirassier attack, maybe someone can enlighten me:
Cuirassiers have 15% chances of withdrawing from combat (some more with flanking promotions), but does that apply only when the attacking unit has movement points left? I ask because if we go N then attack SE it will have spent all its movement points.

Ronnie1 · Oct 27, 2011

Conquistador 63 said:
I have one question related to the cuirassier attack, maybe someone can enlighten me:
Cuirassiers have 15% chances of withdrawing from combat (some more with flanking promotions), but does that apply only when the attacking unit has movement points left? I ask because if we go N then attack SE it will have spent all its movement points.

The chance of withdrawing is not affected by remaining movement!

I would be more than happy to take a crack at Ragnars stack if there is consensus, Oz could take it also if he desires!

Ozbenno · Oct 27, 2011

Won't be able to at this stage. Go for it Ronnie!

Ronnie1 · Oct 27, 2011

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Ozbenno · Oct 27, 2011

Well we had been having good RNG luck!

Not so bad as the pikes are gone, which means that the rest is easy meat for our curassiers. I imagine they will attack the exposed units, so we'll likely lose those, might be able to move a longbow to cover but risky as we don't want to lose the city, but as re-inforcements come we should be able to wipe them easily.

Sleepless · Oct 28, 2011

Bit unlucky on the RNG but on the plus side saves us 3 gold per turn..

That and sell our resources as I mentioned gets us back to 0gold at 0%... lol.

Good news is the weakened trebs. If they do as the previous stack and attack the cuirs on the grass tile they will cause collatteral to the flanking horse but hopefully not make much impression on the full strength cuir.

If they attack NO over the river don't think there would be to much left afterwards. Thats where the flanking bit comes in to damage the trebs.

The 2 cuirs to the N of NO I would promote one this turn to c2 and even if it dies might make a bit more of a fight??

Ronnie1 · Oct 28, 2011

Sleepless said:
Bit unlucky on the RNG but on the plus side saves us 3 gold per turn.. That and sell our resources as I mentioned gets us back to 0gold at 0%... lol.

Good news is the weakened trebs. If they do as the previous stack and attack the cuirs on the grass tile they will cause collatteral to the flanking horse but hopefully not make much impression on the full strength cuir.

If they attack NO over the river don't think there would be to much left afterwards. Thats where the flanking bit comes in to damage the trebs.

The 2 cuirs to the N of NO I would promote one this turn to c2 and even if it dies might make a bit more of a fight??

I promoted the injured Cuir after the attack, there is a full strength one also that has 2 promotions available, but I thought we should discuss first. I brought the LB out of Ayoudbah(sp) to have a chance to clean up the forest next turn. I think we need to prioritize roads in that area to give us some options.

I did not move anything out of NO because we currently have an exact match on numbers of units. Ragnar would have to win every battle to take the city. I would rather lose the units than lose the city.

The roster order is....

1) McArine - on deck
2) Ronnie1 - in the hole
3) Sleepless - waiting
4) Ozbenno - just played
5) Grifftavian - UP NOW

Advising only as of October 28th

Adrianj
Conquistador63....in limbo...do you want into the rotation?
JonShaw
da_Vinci

AWOL
Mighty Dwarf
ngraner42
Jericho Hill

Grifftavian · Oct 28, 2011

5) Grifftavian - UP NOW

OK, I have the latest save, will start working on a PPP. :ar15:

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