SGOTM 16 - Misfit Gypsy Nuts

Sleepless · Nov 26, 2012

Some thoughts..

Brennus doesn't have any techs we don't have atm so think we should finish him off asap. Helps with cultural borders plus homeland unhappiness. Possibly take a ceasefire if we need to regroup and carry on without having to wait for a 10 turn peace treaty to wear off.

Tireme should stay around Orleans whilst the barb galleys are around. I think for the next few turns its more important to concentrate on land units. Some archers to leave behind as city defenders as well. We will need a few more city attackers though my trouble is usually overbuilding units.

Bit dangerous using chariots as pillagers atm. Were likely to lose them though if the mines can be pillaged safely go for it.

Conquistador 63 · Nov 26, 2012

I agree with the PPP.

I wanted to add that it was difficult to set 2-pop whips in my turnset, both because of chops and forge bonus making hard to 2-pop whip almost anything.

Also I put a WB for the fish as a placeholder in the west coast city, but that we should wait for the trireme to arrive before actually building it.

I think 2 x-bows and a cat built in Marseille will be enough to capture Ica, then move south from there.

Agree with a mini-stack near Cuman, but for defending purposes initially. There are indeed chariots in that area that should come for us as soon as we declare.

Also, I left our spy stationed in Tolosa, hoping that he could incite revolt (but we can't as it is too expensive), or destroy building (walls), but it is also too expensive. We can steal gold or incite unhappiness, does the latter help us?

Ozbenno · Nov 26, 2012

Conquistador 63 said:
Also, I left our spy stationed in Tolosa, hoping that he could incite revolt (but we can't as it is too expensive), or destroy building (walls), but it is also too expensive. We can steal gold or incite unhappiness, does the latter help us?

Not really, extra unhappy facxes in his city is more likely to make him whip it for more defenders. Would we be able to save up to incite revolt by the time we are at war?

Sleepless · Nov 27, 2012

Just as well steal his gold or use the spy as a spy and wonder round his lands till his caught. Pretty certain we won't manage to incite a revolt with our current eps so might as well swap to Ram now.

Think we should look at settling the island as well reasonably soon once we have crippled Brennus. The extra trade routes will help our commerce especially with currency and knowing Ram isn't long for this world either.

Just hoping he builds lots of shinies for us as pretty certain he has literature.

Edit. Brennus has 2 sources of iron + 1 bronze so no real chance of pillaging. Plus point as well most of his cities are not on hills which will help the war effort.

McArine · Nov 28, 2012

I plan to play in 10-12 hours from now, following the PPP, with the input given so far.
If you want me to wait with playing, please let me know.

Sleepless · Nov 28, 2012

Good Luck McArine.

Ozbenno · Nov 28, 2012

Good to go from me, good luck!!!

Conquistador 63 · Nov 28, 2012

May the RNG Gods be with you!

:ar15:

Ronnie1 · Nov 28, 2012

Good Luck McA!

adrianj · Nov 28, 2012

Good luck!

Conquistador 63 said:
May the RNG Gods be with you!

McArine · Nov 28, 2012

Good news everybody :-)

Almost everything went as planned, I forgot to switch EP to Ramses, until a few turns in. And the RNG was good to us, I believe I only lost 1 catapult :-)

Brennus was so kind to build The Mahabodhi for us.
And Ramesses build The Great Library, so another good reason to see him off this continent :-)

At some point Brennus asked me to play nicely, I didn't

I started the war after 7 turns, and quickly captured Isca and Tolosa, and the SoD is moving towards Bibracte. I suggest moving it onto the forest west of Bibracte, and attack from there.
I razed Isca, as I didn't see it ever becoming a productive city. We didn't discuss it before I played, so I took that decision.

After taking the first two cities, I did a 1 turn of 100% Science. It sped us on to Currency, but I'm afraid I might have been overenthusiastic about how much money we had...

We also got Barb galleys in the east now, so I build a Trireme over there.

Screenies attached, save uploaded, and Sleepless is up.

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adrianj · Nov 28, 2012

That's awesome McArine! Great to have some luck go our way.

Brennus building the Buddhist shrine for us is exceptionally good for us.

The turn set roster order is...
Players
1) Ronnie1 On Deck
2) Ozbenno
3) Conquistador63
4) McArine Just Played
5) Sleepless Up Now

Team Advisors
6) adrianj
7) timmy827

Still hoping for his glorious return
8) Grifftavian

adrianj · Nov 28, 2012

Looking at some of those battle probabilities, we really did come out super lucky. So often players dwell on the bad RNG outcomes and fail to put them into perspective with the positives.
We won/survived 8 victories in the 75-90% range, won 2 at 32-37% and only lost 1 at 32%.

Losing 38 :gold:

/turn is a sure sign of an impending fiscal cliff. It might be time to take a more balanced approach to unit production/economy by whipping less and reassigning core city citizens to cottages. A fast push to learn Currency is also good news for us as it would allow us to build Wealth in addition to the immediate trade route benefit. Oh, and capturing Bibracte! That shrine alone is worth at least half of our deficit.

J. S. Bach (Great Artist) has been born in a far away land!

A sure sign that an AI has learnt Music.

Sleepless · Nov 28, 2012

Nice going McArine.

Had a very quick look at the save but will try and look more closely tomorrow morning and look at some sort of plan etc. Looks like 3 turns till we take Bibracte so that will give us some gold to keep us afloat etc and will alter tiles etc to make sure we don't go bust.

Tech wise Brennus has Monarchy and Currency on us now so might have to let him live for a fe turns to extort them in a peace deal.

Edit. We can burn all our cash reserves this go to get currency in 1 turn. Thus putting a couple of cities on wealth will cover our expenses. Theory anyway. As it is we will be broke in 3 turns anyway (though I would sort that out so we didn't go broke).

Ozbenno · Nov 28, 2012

Good work McArine!

Agree with razing Isca, would be a nothing city.

Maybe time to build research and employ scientists to get Currency in a hurry, can we trade for CoL at all as that would be the other good tech for us.

Ronnie1 · Nov 28, 2012

Nice playing McArine!

We can not trade for CoL.

We can get Currency in 2 turns, and I think we need to. See screens,

I think Cuman should be taken sooner rather than later. It is size 9 and will be able to whip some infrastructure immediately.

Bibracte should help substanstially as Aj said.
Tactically, should we bombard here, or hit with all the Cats and capture regardless of odds, or some combination of both? How many Accuracy Cats to take down 60% culture with Walls? Even reducing culture to 30% would be a substantial amount IMO. If it took 5-6 Cats to do that, leaving 4-5 to attack, I think I would take those odds.

Where do we go from Bibracte?

Research after Currency?

adrianj · Nov 28, 2012

When I'm attacking a city with an army of cats, the question I ask myself is how many am I willing to sacrifice, or how many do I want to inflict collateral damage? That number might be something like 5. All cats except those 5 are free to bombard this turn.
Any catapult that still has movement left after the city is captured is a wasted turn.

Building Colosseums is a curious choice. I guess we get them for cheap don't we?

Finishing off Currency ASAP has my support.

I also like the idea that Sleepless raised again of settling on the island. A settler build in Paris' near future?

Ronnie1 · Nov 28, 2012

Colosseums are 1/2 price, 1 turn build in Paris with the chop. Seems cheap to me.

We are carrying :mad:

in a lot of cities.

That chop could go towards another cat right now though.

I was just playing around with getting currency asap. 2 turns is fastest possible.

There are probably other methods that can achieve the result.

Sleepless · Nov 29, 2012

I have a nice simple plan for this turnset.... KILL KILL KILL...

Currency won't give us much of an immediate boost just 6 or 7 gold per turn though does mean we can build wealth. I will finish it in my turnset but think it should wait till we take Bibracte. I'll set tech towards CoL but with our current rate don't expect to finish it..

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City builds.

The reason I don't want to go all out for currency atm is we still need more troops. I'll finish off the cats (probably whip most as I need to show our unhappy citizens who's boss). Follow on with swords/axe/archer. We are due a GG sometime in my turnset and think a chariot medic would be the best use. Once I think we have enough troops I'll look to build a settler in Paris and galley in Orleans. Might be an idea to ship a couple if units there first though as we don't know how many barbs are on the island. Might also whip a couple of markets in some of our food rich cities. As our slider will be very low for sometime this will help our economy as well.

Attack plans.

Current stack will head for Bibracte (forest tile across river). I'll promote some cats to cr1/accuracy which will halve the time of removing the walls and should be able to take the city the same turn.

Units in Tolosa will head to Camoludnum (sp?). Depends on the amount of troops there how quick it will fall. I suggest keeping this with its grass iron mine and lots of grasslands.

Cuman. There is a small stack of units to the South 2 XB nd 2 Sp I think. Those with a couple of cats close by should be enough to take the city. Hopefully Brennus will finish the wine tile before we get there.

Once Cuman has fallen will move units towards the gem sugar city which not ideal I think we should keep as it saves us a settler. Will leave the city to the South for the moment if we want to extort anything from Brennus (i.e monarchy). That will give him 10 turns of life then we can finish him off.

All his other cities we should keep. Not sure where he will go with his settler party. Guess they were heading to the East coast but now :dunno:

Looking to play in about 36 hours from now. So all comments/suggestions welcomed.

Ronnie1 · Nov 29, 2012

I would not wait too long for Currency or we will be hurting. We only have enough cash for 3 turns at the current troop level. If we have any trouble taking Bibracte immediately (3rd turns), we could start to see units disbanded. We also need to keep moving quickly before Brennus gets Longbows.

I would keep all remaining cities.

I would not go Chariot Medic. We are a single move army, I would prefer to see a Woody III + Medic melee unit as a much faster healer, 25% -vs- 15%!

Troop count, we currently have 21 Cats for 7 remaining Brennus cities. Of those 7, 3 are what I would call core cities, or cities bigger than size 8 with Walls. How many more units do you think we need?

Camuldunum needs 1 Cat (coming from Isca) to sacrifice + 2-3 troops to capture.

I think the main thrust after Bibracte needs to go S towards Vienne then Gergovia.

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