SGOTM 16 - U'nu'sual S'us'pec'ts

neilmeister · Nov 23, 2012

Actually, thinking more about the Medicine target:
- we are a few turns short of being able to power to it (~14t) at 100% research, we have gold for ~10 turns at 100%
- To get max overflow from whips into Stone wonders, we need to wait 1 & 2 turns from the 2 cities that produce almost half our beakers to finish their +25% beaker buildings.
- therefore, it might best to keep slider at 0% for 2 more turns. Then go 100% for the next 12-13.

Sorry, I know i have contradicted my earlier post a little bit, just trying to maximise everything.

edit: Also, sorry that I disagree with a lot cities on the PPP. :blush:

Paris, whip next turn for max o/f into ND.

Commerce, leave tiles unchanged this turn, next turn change 1 PH mine for cottage (so that it doesn't quite finish Uni), whip in 2 turns for stupendous o/f into OU.

Zhou, whip Salon this turn for max o/f into Sankore.

Stone, this city will likely be starving, so instead of losing pop this way, whip the granary. If it is still starving, whip a library as well.

West Fish, 3 pop whip the Salon this turn, for 30h o/f into a missionary (we only need 1 mish btw)

Barb City, whip the market when you can, trying to max o/f, probably into a few more Trebs...

Trystero · Nov 23, 2012

neilmeister said:
Actually, thinking more about the Medicine target:
- we are a few turns short of being able to power to it (~14t) at 100% research, we have gold for ~10 turns at 100%
- To get max overflow from whips into Stone wonders, we need to wait 1 & 2 turns from the 2 cities that produce almost half our beakers to finish their +25% beaker buildings.
- therefore, it might best to keep slider at 0% for 2 more turns. Then go 100% for the next 12-13.

Sorry, I know i have contradicted my earlier post a little bit, just trying to maximise everything.

OK - I will adjust the PPP accordingly.

edit: Also, sorry that I disagree with a lot cities on the PPP.

Not a problem, this was a first pass through the save. I appreciate any input.

West Fish, 3 pop whip the Salon this turn, for 30h o/f into a missionary (we only need 1 mish btw)

Understood. I should not have more than one missionary indicated in the queues. I will double-check this. (Edit: fixed)

Barb City, whip the market when you can, trying to max o/f, probably into a few more Trebs...

Alright. Will do.

Edit: PPP has been updated. Someone please check to make sure I am not mistaken about the workers farming unworkable tiles.

neilmeister · Nov 24, 2012

Thanks

The workers need to farm those tiles to chain irrigate the 2 Corns, and to provide some food to the future Durocortorum. So please do farm those tiles that say 'farm', even though they are unworkable by any of our current cities.

I do support building another city north of Ski Resort, but there is no hurry.

Trystero · Nov 24, 2012

neilmeister said:
Thanks

The workers need to farm those tiles to chain irrigate the 2 Corns, and to provide some food to the future Durocortorum. So please do farm those tiles that say 'farm', even though they are unworkable by any of our current cities.

I do support building another city north of Ski Resort, but there is no hurry.

Ah, OK. I figured Benginal hadn't just gone farm crazy. I will farm those tiles. I'm not in any hurry to build another city yet either. Hopefully I can keep Brennus from building more.

Sorry I don't have the rest of the PPP yet. I am spending time with family before we leave tomorrow.

neilmeister · Nov 24, 2012

No probs, I will try to be patient :mischief:

Trystero · Nov 25, 2012

Proposed PPP, turns 172, 173, 174, and maybe 175 and 176 (updated)

(I would like to play the first part of my set until we capture Durocortorum and Isca, and tech Chemistry. This would take about 5 turns. I could pause after 3t and report progress. I will also consult if any tech trades become available.)

Tech path:

Keep the slider at 0% for 2 more turns, then run slider at 100% for Chemistry (3t).

The neilmeister proposed tech path:
- Chemistry (3t)
- Philo (~1 turn if we get Drama, assuming we can't trade for it)
- Lib(2 of 3t)
- SM (2t with Bulb)
- Biology(~6-7t)
- Lib(Finish)
- Free Medicine

Trades:

Immediate:
-Trade Astronomy to Hamy for Music, Drama, gold, and map.
-Trade Corn and Spices to Qin for Ivory and 1 gpt.
-If Qin starts Engineering or Optics next, then sell him it, for whatever he will give us. (We want him to do either Banking or Nationalism)

Longer term:
-Trade for Guilds when it is available.
-Also try to get Banking and Nationalism by trade.

City Micro:

Paris (54t whip unhappy) - whip Salon into ND next turn to get max overflow into ND.

GP Farm (16t unhappy) - slow build University (9t) > start Courthouse

Production (67t unhappy) - build AP (4 pop whip in 5t), assign next citizen (3t) as engineer specialist.

Commerce (8t unhappy) - next turn change 1 PH mine for cottage (so that it doesn't quite finish Uni), whip in 2 turns for stupendous o/f into Oxford University.

Clams (82t unhappy) - Buddhist temple (7t)

West Fish (54t unhappy) - 3 pop whip the Salon this turn, for 30h overflow into a Buddhist missionary for RFBF.

Barb City - (81t unhappy) - will grow to the

cap next turn. Start Market, whip for max overflow into more trebuchets.

Zhou - (30t unhappy) - whip Salon this turn for max overflow into University of Sankore when stone comes online next turn.

Fake Humbaba (41t unhappy) - whip Buddhist monastery in 2 turns then start Market.

West Coast Silk (54t unhappy) - Whip Salon, overflow into Buddhist temple

Wheat - Buddhist temple (2t) > Buddhist monastery

Red Fish, Blue Fish - Finished Library - start Market. Needs Buddhism and a garrison unit.

Bribracte - Market > Courthouse

Sugar Gems - Buddhist temple (13t) > whip into monastery? This city has excess happiness and really needs to grow, but we should get Buddhist buildings in here ASAP for the AP and Sankore bonuses.

Ski Resort - Finished Forge - start Courthouse (17t) .

Camel Dumdum - Forge (56t). This is another city with excess happiness that needs to grow.

Stone - comes out of revolt in 1 turn, and we get stone. Whip away excess pop into Granary and maybe Library.

Durnovaria - 3 more turns of revolt then start Forge.

Gergovia - 6 turns of revolt then Forge.

Worker Micro:

Mostly cottage new cities as well as chop forests into infrastructure and clear jungle.
-Workers at Production chop forest into the AP.
-Workers will continue chain irrigation to corn tiles
-Workers have pre-chopped a PFH 3E of West Coast Silk. Question: What is the pre-chop meant to go into?
-WCS has plenty of food, so I will send a worker over there to road and mine the remaining unmined hills
-Lots of jungle to clear out around Durocortorum once we capture it.

War Plans:

Take Isca: Isca currently has 2 LBs and a spearman, We have 3 healthy maces and 3 healthy trebs in the south along with injured units. I am inclined to send a small stack immediately, but Isca is 8 pop (and on a hill) and Brennus will likely whip more defenders. It is probably better to send the southern army around Gergovia into the city to heal up for a turn and send a more substantial force.

Take Durocortorum: The city is defended by a LB, a Gallic Warrior and a spearman. I am planning on sending 3 maces and 3 trebs to join the treb, pike, and XB already near the city. The city is on a hill, but it is 1 pop, so Brennus can't whip more defenders.

Take Vienne (again): There are a mace and XB on our Galleon 2S of Camel Dumdum. They will attack the lousy 1-tile desert island and burn Vienne from the face of the earth once and for all (the city has a garrison of 1 GW).

Edit: There are also 2 GW camped on a hill next to Bibracte. I will send a couple of maces over to deal with them if they move onto flat ground.

neilmeister · Nov 25, 2012

I don't think the pre-chop was assigned, its just a note to tell you that its mostly chopped, just finish the chop, I believe the hammers will go to WCS (as both it and Sugar Gems are 3 distance away). Ben will correct me I'm sure.

Duro plan sounds good, a little overkill maybe, but that's fine(and prudent!). Bombard for a turn while the cleanup troops heal, take the normal medic (currently in Durnovaria)

Don't heal the Gergovia force, just send them to Isca with the super-medic and bombard for a turn while they heal. ~5 maces & 4 trebs should be fine.
Take a few units (2 maces & a treb) down to Bagacum (when they are available). Just watch out for his galley, leave 2 units in Gergovia (edit: chariot in Bibracte could reinforce Gergovia)

edit: New Vienne survivors to join Isca stack

GREEN from me.... go make Brennus pay for his many sins.

edit: no need to pause unless you want or need to. Good luck!

edit 2: my vote for the mish on the caravel is to send it to Saladins crappiest city: Basra. Saladin is the only AI likely to close borders with us.

ChrisShaffer · Nov 25, 2012

Green. Agree, send missionary to Saladin.

SteelHorse · Nov 25, 2012

kcd_swede said:
BTW: Notre Dame hasn't been 11-0 since I was a student.

Congrats. Undefeated season for the Fighting Irish. Quite a finish to the USC game last night. We must build the wonder in celebration.

SteelHorse · Nov 25, 2012

Green. Plan looks good.
Good Luck.

EDIT: does not look like the chariot has found any troop stacks for Rams. Is this correct?

SteelHorse · Nov 25, 2012

Question on Duro - can we chain irrigate through the mountain pass?

Revent · Nov 25, 2012

Green

Trystero · Nov 25, 2012

OK - I will have time to play later today (6-8 hours).

One more question: The GG about to get off the galleon is for another super-medic chariot? We have a Combat1/Medic1 chariot that could be so promoted.

ChrisShaffer · Nov 25, 2012

Trystero said:
The GG about to get off the galleon is for another super-medic chariot? We have a Combat1/Medic1 chariot that could be so promoted.

Yes, it is.

Benginal · Nov 25, 2012

1) The forest near WCS is indeed going into WCS.

2) I think the workers near WCS would be most useful heading towards former Celtia to start fixing up the cities there. Desert mines are terrible, so don't waste worker turns building those mines.

3) Also, I think any cottages we can start WORKING in the next ten turns or so will be worth it. But after that farms are going to be better. A rep scientist (at 6 bpt) is better than a cottage for the first ~30 turns of its life (under emancipation (which we won't be in)). And then it takes a while for the betterness to pay off. If one of the number crunchers wants to verify this that would be good. But my intuition says that if we're not going to be in emancipation, new cottages are pretty near worthless.

neilmeister · Nov 25, 2012

We can chain irrigate diagonally, so we can do it through the mountains

Towns are better than farms, but less than that the farms win, BUT, the problem with farm and specialist is that it needs 2 pop to get roughly the same output as a town. This causes extra maintenance....... we will also have sushi, so we are going to run into happiness problems as it is.

So i say keep cottaging for now, and probably for the rest of the game, but we will see.

neilmeister · Nov 25, 2012

Maple Sporks have overtaken us again, they look like they are pushing Culture significantly.

Trystero · Nov 25, 2012

OK - playing now.

Trystero · Nov 25, 2012

Actually need to do something quickly. Will start in about 15 minutes. Sorry for the delay.

Trystero · Nov 25, 2012

Alrighty, then - new save uploaded. I played 4 turns, and thought I would pause for comment.

Bad news - Hammy finished ND this turn, so we need a new build in Paris.

Good news - AP is still available. Qin is researching Banking, and Hammy is researching Nationalism. Durocortorum, Isca, and Vienne (1 tile island) have all fallen at the cost of 3 trebs. Sorry I couldn't be more efficient, but Isca (on a hill) was defended by a Guerilla2 LB and a CG2 LB it took 2 trebs to soften them up. I didn't want to risk a CR3 mace at <70% odds.

Also, Hammy founded Islam in Akkad.

Edit: And those 2 GW moved from the hill into the forest near Stone. They have not pillaged anything, so I am waiting for them to move into open ground.

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