SGOTM 16 - U'nu'sual S'us'pec'ts

[Trystero]

Alright, playing now.

 

[neilmeister]

That is excellent timing, as I just got home.

 

[Benginal]

I love these daily updates! Keep them coming team (we seem to be dying off, although I promise to be back in full force in 2.5 weeks).

 

[Trystero]

It is turn 182. Qin will trade us Guilds, his map, and 20 gold for Gunpowder.

Rammy will give me all his gold for Philo or Education, but only 305 gold for Machinery = he is teching Machinery.

Ready to loose the dogs of war...

Edit: and our GP from GP Farm was.... a GA.

Edit2: and if it wasn't clear before, I want to know if I can trade Gunpowder to Qin.

 

[neilmeister]

Yes, trade gunpowder for guilds.

sorry, having dinner right now.

and a GA isn't that bad, we might need that later on, even if just for a golden age

 

[Trystero]

Thanks! I thought it would be OK, but wanted to confirm since it wasn't in the PPP.

And, yeah, a GA for a GA lol will be good for the upcoming civics swap.

Be back soon.

 

[neilmeister]

I've just finished dinner, and absorbed the rest of your post.

Yay, Ramesses is teching Machinery, that is good. I'm glad we are about to invade, hopefully no insta-upgraded Axes into Maces.

Is Qin friendly with us?

 

[Trystero]

Yes - Qin is at Friendly. I traded Philo to Rammy for 350 gold. No one else has any thing of value to give us for Philo right now, so no other trades.

Just went over all preparations. Ready to pull the trigger.

 

[neilmeister]

Yes - Qin is at Friendly.

AT LAST!!!!!

Just went over all preparations. Ready to pull the trigger.

Spoiler :

Not really 'Freedom' per se, but you get the sentiment


Link to video.

 

[Trystero]

War declared, our troops have moved into position, and Pi-Ramesses has fallen.

However, Memphis is now defended by a LB (CG1), a HA (C2), a sword (C1), a WC (C2), and a catapult. He suicided 2 cats against our stack (3 maces, XB, and 5 trebs). Our XB was injured by the cats and is at 1.7 hp, and we don't have enough units to take Memphis this turn. I am inclined to move our stack towards Thebes and get Thebes from Brennus for peace next turn. I have a chariot in the area which can move into Thebes if we take it this turn, but it would probably lose the city to a HA. Alternatively we could move the Memphis stack back onto the galleons.

Heliopolis is currently defended by 2 LBs, but our next won't get there until next turn, and will need a turn to knock down the cultural defense, so it will probably be reinforced.

I am inclined to move (edit: the Memphis forces) toward Thebes and consolidate our forces (edit: after taking Heliopolis and getting Thebes).

Edit: Let me know if you would like me to upload the save.

 

[Trystero]

Also, Qin is currently researching Astro in 12t. He will give us Banking and 30 gold for either Chem or Astro.

We can see Sally's research. He will finish Paper next turn.

 

[neilmeister]

How injured are the Maces? Is anything at or near promotion? I'm tempted just to attack Memphis with everything.
Its not on a hill, so 5 trebs will collateral the crap out of everything there.
Can the Chariot make it to Memphis this turn?

What does our Heliopolis stack contain?, tempted to not bother about Cultural defenses, and just attack with everything.

 

[neilmeister]

Great, Banking! and he is doing Astro.... that should keep him busy for a bit.

 

[neilmeister]

Are there any more HA's wandering around?

Actually, it might help if I could look at the save. Sorry, it's not that I don;t trust you, its just hard to imagine whats happening.

 

[Trystero]

Memphis maces: CR3 = 6.2 hp, CR3 = full health, CR2 = 7 hp.

My concern is even if we treb the crap out of everything, he'll whip a LB next turn. Granted we could attack again with the trebs that withdrew. Hmm...

No the chariot is on the Heliopolis side of Thebes.

The Heliopolis stack has 2 trebs, 5 maces, a XB. and pike, and a super-medic. We could take Heliopolis next turn.

 

[Trystero]

Are there any more HA's wandering around?

Actually, it might help if I could look at the save. Sorry, it's not that I don;t trust you, its just hard to imagine whats happening.

I know the feeling.

I will upload the save now.

 

[neilmeister]

Attack Memphis.

My main concern is every turn we don't is another LB, or HA.
And if we don't attack, his HA will attack us and inflict flanking damage. HA's a re great at attack, sucky at defence.

edit: OK, I will wait for the save

 

[Trystero]

Save uploaded.

Take your time. I will be up for another hour.

Autolog:

Spoiler :

Here is your Session Turn Log from 1200 AD to 1230 AD:

Turn 180, 1200 AD: Qin Shi Huang adopts Organized Religion!
Turn 180, 1200 AD: Buddhism has spread in Red Fish Blue F.
Turn 180, 1200 AD: You have constructed a Buddhist Monastery in Clams. Work has now begun on a Market.
Turn 180, 1200 AD: The borders of Barb City have expanded!
Turn 180, 1200 AD: The borders of Bibracte have expanded!
Turn 180, 1200 AD: You have constructed a Buddhist Monastery in Ski Resort. Work has now begun on a Courthouse.
Turn 180, 1200 AD: You have constructed a Buddhist Monastery in Stone. Work has now begun on a Buddhist Temple.
Turn 180, 1200 AD: You have constructed a Buddhist Monastery in Gergovia. Work has now begun on a Buddhist Temple.
Turn 180, 1200 AD: The Apostolic Palace voting members have announced their decision: Apostolic Palace Election (Winner Proposes Apostolic Palace Resolutions) (Requires 126 of 315 Total Votes)

Turn 181, 1210 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Stone!
Turn 181, 1210 AD: Paris has grown to size 11.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: Production can hurry Buddhist Monastery for 1⇴ with 32ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 69 turns.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: Commerce will become unhappy on the next turn.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: Barb City has grown to size 8.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: Barb City can hurry Buddhist Monastery for 2⇴ with 40ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 93 turns.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: Zhou can hurry Buddhist Monastery for 1⇴ with 22ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 42 turns.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: Red Fish Blue F can hurry Buddhist Monastery for 2⇴ with 21ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 42 turns.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: Bibracte has grown to size 5.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: Bibracte can hurry Buddhist Monastery for 2⇴ with 40ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 25 turns.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: Camel Dumdum has grown to size 4.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: Isca will be pacified on the next turn.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: Ramesses II is the worst enemy of Saladin.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: The borders of Gergovia are about to expand.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: The borders of East Coast Gems are about to expand.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ℤ for Bibracte.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: Commerce will grow to size 14 on the next turn.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: Clams will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: West Fish will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: West Coast Silk will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: Red Fish Blue F will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: Sugar Gems will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: Ski Resort will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: Stone will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: Dante Alighieri (Great Artist) has been born in GP Farm (Louis XIV)!
Turn 181, 1210 AD: You have constructed a Buddhist Monastery in Production. Work has now begun on a Market.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: You have constructed a Buddhist Monastery in Barb City. Work has now begun on a Trebuchet.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: You have constructed a Buddhist Monastery in Zhou. Work has now begun on University of Sankore.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: You have constructed a Buddhist Monastery in Red Fish Blue F. Work has now begun on a Market.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: You have constructed a Buddhist Monastery in Bibracte. Work has now begun on a Courthouse.
Turn 181, 1210 AD: The borders of Gergovia have expanded!
Turn 181, 1210 AD: The borders of East Coast Gems have expanded!
Turn 181, 1210 AD: Hammurabi has completed The Hagia Sophia!
Turn 181, 1210 AD: Ramakrishna (Great Prophet) has been born in Mecca (Saladin)!

Turn 182, 1220 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Stone!
Turn 182, 1220 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Production!
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Commerce has grown to size 14.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Clams has grown to size 7.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Clams can hurry Market for 2⇴ with 24ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 93 turns.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: West Fish has grown to size 6.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: West Coast Silk has grown to size 7.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Red Fish Blue F has become happy.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Sugar Gems has grown to size 6.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Sugar Gems can hurry Salon for 3⇴ with 26ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 17 turns.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Ski Resort has grown to size 5.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Stone has grown to size 4.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Stone can hurry Buddhist Temple for 1⇴ with 8ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 42 turns.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Isca has been pacified.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Isca can hurry Christian Monastery for 2⇴ with 8ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Saladin has 60 gold available for trade.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Hammurabi is the worst enemy of Brennus.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Brennus is the worst enemy of Hammurabi.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Qin Shi Huang will trade Guilds
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Will Trade Map: Qin Shi Huang
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Ramesses II has 350 gold available for trade.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Saladin has 60 gold available for trade.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Ramesses II is the worst enemy of Saladin.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Hammurabi is the worst enemy of Brennus.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Brennus is the worst enemy of Ramesses II, Hammurabi.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Qin Shi Huang will trade Guilds
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Will Trade Map: Brennus, Hammurabi, Qin Shi Huang, Sitting Bull
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Will Capitulate: Brennus
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Will Sign Peace Treaty: Brennus
Turn 182, 1220 AD: You have discovered Guilds!
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Deal Canceled: Open Borders to Ramesses II for Open Borders
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Deal Canceled: Pig to Ramesses II for Gold Per Turn (4)
Turn 182, 1220 AD: You have declared war on Ramesses II!
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Ramesses II refuses to talk.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Barb City will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Wheat will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Bibracte will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Camel Dumdum will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: You have constructed Oxford University in Commerce. Work has now begun on a Courthouse.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: You have constructed a Buddhist Monastery in Camel Dumdum. Work has now begun on a Library.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: You have constructed a Christian Monastery in Isca. Work has now begun on a Lighthouse.
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Ramesses II's Catapult (5.00) vs Louis XIV's Crossbowman 3 (Production) (6.00)
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Combat Odds: 29.3%
Turn 182, 1220 AD: You have suffered collateral damage! (2 Units)
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Ramesses II's Catapult is hit for 21 (79/100HP)
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Louis XIV's Crossbowman 3 (Production) is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Louis XIV's Crossbowman 3 (Production) is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Louis XIV's Crossbowman 3 (Production) is hit for 18 (46/100HP)
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Louis XIV's Crossbowman 3 (Production) is hit for 18 (28/100HP)
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Ramesses II's Catapult is hit for 21 (58/100HP)
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Ramesses II's Catapult is hit for 21 (37/100HP)
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Ramesses II's Catapult is hit for 21 (16/100HP)
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Ramesses II's Catapult is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Louis XIV's Crossbowman 3 (Production) has defeated Ramesses II's Catapult!
Turn 182, 1220 AD: While defending, your Crossbowman 3 (Production) has killed a Egyptian Catapult!
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Ramesses II's Catapult (5.00) vs Louis XIV's Maceman 14 (Barb City) (8.00)
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Combat Odds: 15.1%
Turn 182, 1220 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 182, 1220 AD: (Combat: -10%)
Turn 182, 1220 AD: You have suffered collateral damage! (4 Units)
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Ramesses II's Catapult is hit for 25 (75/100HP)
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Ramesses II's Catapult is hit for 25 (50/100HP)
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Ramesses II's Catapult is hit for 25 (25/100HP)
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 14 (Barb City) is hit for 15 (85/100HP)
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Ramesses II's Catapult is hit for 25 (0/100HP)
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 14 (Barb City) has defeated Ramesses II's Catapult!
Turn 182, 1220 AD: While defending, your Maceman 14 (Barb City) has killed a Egyptian Catapult!
Turn 182, 1220 AD: Saladin has completed The Kashi Vishwanath!

Turn 183, 1230 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Stone!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Production can hurry Market for 3⇴ with 36ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 67 turns.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Commerce can hurry Courthouse for 4⇴ with 14ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 46 turns.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Barb City has grown to size 7.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Zhou has become happy.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Wheat has grown to size 5.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Red Fish Blue F can hurry Longbowman for 1⇴ with 16ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 50 turns.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Bibracte has grown to size 4.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Camel Dumdum can hurry Library for 2⇴ with 6ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 31 turns.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: You are the worst enemy of Ramesses II, Saladin.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: The borders of Sugar Gems are about to expand.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Qin Shi Huang will trade Banking
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Catapult 2 (Commerce) has reduced the defenses of Pi-Ramesses to 12%!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Catapult 4 (GP Farm) has reduced the defenses of Pi-Ramesses to 4%!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 4 (Paris) (3.64) vs Ramesses II's Longbowman (6.24)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Combat Odds: 9.2%
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Plot Defense: +29%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Defense: +25%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Hills Defense: +45%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Attack: -120%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Trebuchet 4 (Paris) has caused collateral damage! (2 Units)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 4 (Paris) is hit for 25 (66/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 15 (85/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 15 (70/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 4 (Paris) is hit for 25 (41/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 15 (55/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 4 (Paris) is hit for 25 (16/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 4 (Paris) is hit for 25 (0/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman has defeated Louis XIV's Trebuchet 4 (Paris)!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Trebuchet 4 (Paris) has died trying to attack a Longbowman!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 10 (Paris) (4.00) vs Ramesses II's Longbowman (4.96)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Combat Odds: 44.4%
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Plot Defense: +29%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Fortify: +10%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Defense: +25%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Hills Defense: +45%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Attack: -120%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Trebuchet 10 (Paris) has caused collateral damage! (1 Unit)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 10 (Paris) is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 10 (Paris) is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 17 (75/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 10 (Paris) is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 17 (58/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 10 (Paris) is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 17 (41/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Trebuchet 10 (Paris) has withdrawn from combat with a Longbowman!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 3 (Paris) (7.04) vs Ramesses II's Longbowman (5.90)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Combat Odds: 79.3%
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Plot Defense: +29%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Defense: +25%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Hills Defense: +45%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Attack: -45%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 3 (Paris) is hit for 21 (67/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 3 (Paris) is hit for 21 (46/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 19 (36/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 19 (17/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 19 (0/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 3 (Paris) has defeated Ramesses II's Longbowman!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Maceman 3 (Paris) has destroyed a Longbowman!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 13 (Clams) (8.27) vs Ramesses II's Axeman (4.87)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Combat Odds: 96.4%
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Plot Defense: +29%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Attack: -20%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Combat: -50%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Combat: +50%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Axeman is hit for 25 (57/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Axeman is hit for 25 (32/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Axeman is hit for 25 (7/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Axeman is hit for 25 (0/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 13 (Clams) has defeated Ramesses II's Axeman!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Maceman 13 (Clams) has destroyed a Axeman!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 14 (Barb City) (7.48) vs Ramesses II's Longbowman (2.83)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Combat Odds: 98.9%
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Plot Defense: +29%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Fortify: +10%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Defense: +25%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Hills Defense: +45%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Attack: -20%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 14 (Barb City) is hit for 18 (67/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 21 (4/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 14 (Barb City) is hit for 18 (49/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 14 (Barb City) has defeated Ramesses II's Longbowman!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Maceman 14 (Barb City) has destroyed a Longbowman!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: You have captured Pi-Ramesses!!!

 

[neilmeister]

Attack! Be bold! You will win!

Only 1 unit is capable of defence, the rest are just window dressing.

You will likely lose the first treb, but the rest should survive, and the last 2 or 3 without a scratch. Promote them all first!

3 Maces will cleanup 3 defenders pretty easily.

Rinse and repeat next turn.

 

[Trystero]

Alrighty. Hang on to your hats. We are going in.