ChrisShaffer
Board gamer
I am sure we have to deal the killing blow.
There are three holy cities on our continent.
There are three holy cities on our continent.
SGOTM 16 - U'nu'sual S'us'pec'ts
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Agreed with benginal, On the balance of things, i dont think we want ramesses to die, yet. It would make tech trading just a little harder, and we want CoL from him at some stage.
Let brennus take a few more cities, if he can. Ramesses may yet switch to buddhism if he loses his confused and christian cities, so the OR / Buddhist love in would really start.
Agree with revent as well, we will definitely conquer brennus, once we have the units to do it. His large numbers of melee make a Cat/Mace combo even more attractive than normal.
And yes, 3 holy cities so far, now hopefully they start shrining them.
Let brennus take a few more cities, if he can. Ramesses may yet switch to buddhism if he loses his confused and christian cities, so the OR / Buddhist love in would really start.
Agree with revent as well, we will definitely conquer brennus, once we have the units to do it. His large numbers of melee make a Cat/Mace combo even more attractive than normal.
And yes, 3 holy cities so far, now hopefully they start shrining them.
As of now, may I suggest a plan for the short term?
Start researching Code of Laws, wait for our spy to steal maths and then switch over to calendar.
This method saves us 100 commerce with the cost of having to wait one extra turn for math. There's no actual opportunity cost here since it's one turn, but the result is we get our other techs one turn faster.
Edit: Are trebs any good? Never really used them so don't know too much about them but it seems they're pretty damn strong.
Start researching Code of Laws, wait for our spy to steal maths and then switch over to calendar.
This method saves us 100 commerce with the cost of having to wait one extra turn for math. There's no actual opportunity cost here since it's one turn, but the result is we get our other techs one turn faster.
Edit: Are trebs any good? Never really used them so don't know too much about them but it seems they're pretty damn strong.
Treb's are great against cities. Much better than catapults. But you often don't want to wait for Engineering to start your conquering.
Are you sure about how long it will take to get Maths via espionage?
How many turns of full slider do we need?
I would keep research on Maths, but at 0% (it is 13 turns away due to scientists). This will reduce the number of EP's required to steal it, as the game always counts only the required beakers, not total beakers.
We do have a spy in Tolosa already.
and trebs are awesome!!!!
edit:
THIS!!!!
How many turns of full slider do we need?
I would keep research on Maths, but at 0% (it is 13 turns away due to scientists). This will reduce the number of EP's required to steal it, as the game always counts only the required beakers, not total beakers.
We do have a spy in Tolosa already.
and trebs are awesome!!!!
edit:
THIS!!!!
Trystero
Deity
Another problem with eliminating Ramesses is that all his EP would then be focused on us. We can't see his demographics anymore because we spent the EP on stealing IW. We currently have 139 EP against Brennus, while he has 447 against us. I presume he is still spending 4 EP/turn against us, but I will have to check an earlier save.
If we want to steal Mathematics, the current EP cost to steal tech is 707, which can be reduced by having a stationary spy. At 100% on the Esp slider we currently make 170 EP/turn (costing 111 gold/turn).
I think I am up next. Actually, I know I am up next since I am in charge of the schedule.
I will review our plans and the current situation and start working on a PPP, probably tonight. I will probably need a lot of input from all of you, so let the planning discussions commence.
Edit: x-post with Revent, neil, and DH.
If we want to steal Mathematics, the current EP cost to steal tech is 707, which can be reduced by having a stationary spy. At 100% on the Esp slider we currently make 170 EP/turn (costing 111 gold/turn).
I think I am up next. Actually, I know I am up next since I am in charge of the schedule.
I will review our plans and the current situation and start working on a PPP, probably tonight. I will probably need a lot of input from all of you, so let the planning discussions commence.Edit: x-post with Revent, neil, and DH.
It doesn't reduce the cost if I remember correctly. However, even if it does, by the time the spy is ready, we will have researched it!
Oh I see. In that case, go trebs! It is only one tech away from construction and might make our war significantly more effecient. 
Oh I see. In that case, go trebs!
It is only one tech away from construction and might make our war significantly more effecient.
I know how that is.
I'm glad you had a look, my gut feeling was that it would be easier to research it.
Trystero
Deity
I checked the turn 109 save. Our EP ratio with Brennus was 370/404. So in 13 turns he's put 77 EP against us. He's clearly increased his EP spending on us.
He wants our techs!
This doesn't bode well if we want Brennus to stop and Ramesses isn't powerful enough to do it himself.
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Trystero
Deity
I'm digging through the Revent/neilmeister discussions. Is this still the current tech plan?
We will probably end up self-researching both Maths and Calendar at this point.
We will probably end up self-researching both Maths and Calendar at this point.
Yes, agreed.
I have asked for a confirmation of our assumptions regarding the conquest requirement in the maintenance thread.
edit: Starting CoL or Astro depends on the numbers of GS we have, but otherwise that is on the money.
I have asked for a confirmation of our assumptions regarding the conquest requirement in the maintenance thread.
edit: Starting CoL or Astro depends on the numbers of GS we have, but otherwise that is on the money.
Well, bear in mind, the ratio will change considerably if we up the slider for a few turns (4). It can make it at least 10% cheaper than it currently would be to steal. As it is, it'll cost the same as researching it, but I'm sure the ratio will change once we have some more EPs on him via the slider meaning it'll end up being cheaper.
Edit: And yes, that is the tech plan we (somehow) managed to agree on
Edit: And yes, that is the tech plan we (somehow) managed to agree on
Even if the cost is the same, there is always a chance of failure.
You're right, but it COULD save us one turn. That one turn could be spent researching another tech.
If it doesn't we don't lose anything by getting maths 4 turns later because those beakers invested in CoL are still going to be invested sooner or later. I was talking to neil!!!
The cost does decrease up to a maximum of 50% after 5 turns!! Apologies for confusions.
I doubt it. Maths is 3 turns away,
2 @ 0% research and 1 @ 100%.
And CoL, I still hope to get that from Ramesses, without spending a penny.
2 @ 0% research and 1 @ 100%.
And CoL, I still hope to get that from Ramesses, without spending a penny.
Astro will require 2 bulbs, or 1 bulb and 1500 beakers.
