Yes, its your call on when to whip it. Are you are feeling lucky?
Green from me.
You sound like my wife
Green from me.
hmmn, maybe that is enough game playing?
You sound like my wife
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SGOTM 17 - Unusual Suspects
- Thread starter AlanH
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ChrisShaffer
Board gamer
Green
Happy to play again. Anyone else on the team interested? It's a great implementation. Game holds 2-4 players. No urgency about taking turns.
I will play now. Was waiting for Steelhorse (and playing the WOTM).
I have never played, but it sounds interesting.
How long does it take and does everyone need to be online together?
Good luck Deckhand!
ChrisShaffer
Board gamer
Turn based, asynchronous. It takes anywhere from 2-4 weeks. Face to face, the board game takes 4-6 hours.
Built Great Library and Pyramids. Captured Djenne and Walata. Taking a break, time for an updated PPP. Save posted.
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/download.php?file=Unusual_Suspects_SG017_AD1010_01.CivBeyondSwordSave
Highlights
T102 as planned
T103 explorer defending 2 workers building plantation on bananas so our archer and chariot go home;
T104 bombard Djenne; promote sword to combat 1 and it beats explorer
T105 capture Djenne
T106 axe kills explorer (between Walata and Djenne), clearing way for chariot to capture a worker; promote sword4 to medic (not usual), sword5 kills east skirmisher
IBT skirmisher kills chariot and liberates the worker;
T107 axe loses at 90%, wounded axe kills skirmisher at 94%; sw to 100% research [oops, when going over do list at start saw 100% but it was on cash, oops], whip GL;
T108 [luckily chariot in Walata doesn’t leave to kill wounded axe] promote remaining chariot to super medic
T109 bombard Walata down to 0
T110 capture Walata,
T111 whip Pyramids;
2 swords in west haven’t moved; save uploaded, we should discuss tech path and peace w Mansa; I don’t know anyway to find out best offer without making an offer
Session Log:
I will go look for the Buffy Log now.
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/download.php?file=Unusual_Suspects_SG017_AD1010_01.CivBeyondSwordSave
Highlights
T102 as planned
T103 explorer defending 2 workers building plantation on bananas so our archer and chariot go home;
T104 bombard Djenne; promote sword to combat 1 and it beats explorer
T105 capture Djenne
T106 axe kills explorer (between Walata and Djenne), clearing way for chariot to capture a worker; promote sword4 to medic (not usual), sword5 kills east skirmisher
IBT skirmisher kills chariot and liberates the worker;
T107 axe loses at 90%, wounded axe kills skirmisher at 94%; sw to 100% research [oops, when going over do list at start saw 100% but it was on cash, oops], whip GL;
T108 [luckily chariot in Walata doesn’t leave to kill wounded axe] promote remaining chariot to super medic
T109 bombard Walata down to 0
T110 capture Walata,
T111 whip Pyramids;
2 swords in west haven’t moved; save uploaded, we should discuss tech path and peace w Mansa; I don’t know anyway to find out best offer without making an offer
Session Log:
Spoiler :
I will go look for the Buffy Log now.
SteelHorse
Deity
Been tied up - go right ahead.
SteelHorse
Deity
Good work. Will take a look in a little bit.
Buffy Log
Oh, and Prague is now Sydney because it has a great harbor (and for Neil).
Spoiler :
Oh, and Prague is now Sydney because it has a great harbor (and for Neil).
ChrisShaffer
Board gamer
Goodjob!
SteelHorse
Deity
Well he is offering 340 gold which is the equivalent of 4 turns of teching or 600 beakers. You could try for 2 low priced techs (Cal and Mon), but I am guessing we wont get. He still has 5 cities left and 7 techs on us.
Nice work!
Love the fact we have 'mids, we so need to be in Representation.
340g is pretty good actually, I would just take it.
Looking at the save, we get:
- mids next turn
- GS in 2
- Silver border pop in 7 (galley will arrive back at exactly the same time)
Can I suggest that in 2 turns we trigger a golden age, revolt into Representation, revolt out of Buddhism, gift Toku a tech and try trade for Calendar & Monarchy.
Fingers crossed for culture bridge, and we will hopefully meet the chinese & americans in 7 or 8 turns, when a unit (chariot?) lands on the south coast. Trade for as many techs as possible before switching back to buddhism.
We have a 30% power advantage over Mansa, but we are only at +11gpt at 0% science, so we simply cannot afford to take any more cities.
Once we revolt back to buddhism, we will pick up the +7 from Mansa, and go straight back to Pleased.
Love the fact we have 'mids, we so need to be in Representation.
340g is pretty good actually, I would just take it.
Looking at the save, we get:
- mids next turn
- GS in 2
- Silver border pop in 7 (galley will arrive back at exactly the same time)
Can I suggest that in 2 turns we trigger a golden age, revolt into Representation, revolt out of Buddhism, gift Toku a tech and try trade for Calendar & Monarchy.
Fingers crossed for culture bridge, and we will hopefully meet the chinese & americans in 7 or 8 turns, when a unit (chariot?) lands on the south coast. Trade for as many techs as possible before switching back to buddhism.
We have a 30% power advantage over Mansa, but we are only at +11gpt at 0% science, so we simply cannot afford to take any more cities.
Once we revolt back to buddhism, we will pick up the +7 from Mansa, and go straight back to Pleased.
Nice to see some carnage! 
Indeed! Though looking at the other teams graphs, we can't be the only ones 
Techwise, I am happy to continue with Compass.
Techwise, I am happy to continue with Compass.
I will put together a PPP tonight for another turn set.
Unless this is a good time for Chris to play.
Peace negotiation advice welcome.
Ask for Machinery plus money, work down to no money?
Or Compass?
Or just take his 340 gold offer?
Peace before end turn?
Move the swords closer to Timbuktu before negotiating?
Unless this is a good time for Chris to play.
Spoiler :
Peace negotiation advice welcome.
Ask for Machinery plus money, work down to no money?
Or Compass?
Or just take his 340 gold offer?
Peace before end turn?
Move the swords closer to Timbuktu before negotiating?
ChrisShaffer
Board gamer
I can't play until May 9 at the earliest.
Mansa has 590g, so the fact that he is only offering 340g reflects the fact that this is all he will give us. Compass is worth 585b, and we have some invested in it already, so he might give us it for peace.
I hope to get Monarchy & Calendar from Toku, so really we would take any other tech. I would rather get cash from Mansa than one of these techs.
What do you guys think the suggestion of revolting out/back in to Buddhism in a golden age to trade with Toku? We need to switch to Representation, and the extra gold/hammers will sure come in handy.
In other thoughts, both Markets in Supercity & Pork Central need whipping this turn, though make sure we still get the GS in 2t.
Aachen could start a forge or market instead of the Cat, I think I would favour a forge first.
Phantastic should maybe be working the bananas.
I hope to get Monarchy & Calendar from Toku, so really we would take any other tech. I would rather get cash from Mansa than one of these techs.
What do you guys think the suggestion of revolting out/back in to Buddhism in a golden age to trade with Toku? We need to switch to Representation, and the extra gold/hammers will sure come in handy.
In other thoughts, both Markets in Supercity & Pork Central need whipping this turn, though make sure we still get the GS in 2t.
Aachen could start a forge or market instead of the Cat, I think I would favour a forge first.
Phantastic should maybe be working the bananas.
Trystero
Deity
Great job Deckhand! 
One suggestion: We should mine the desert hill 1S2W of Sydney. It would be better to work a mine than a coast tile.
I assume we want Monarchy to get Feudalism, since we already have the Mids?
I agree about switching to Representation. Will we get enough diplo points with Toku in the span of a GA that he would trade with us?
One suggestion: We should mine the desert hill 1S2W of Sydney. It would be better to work a mine than a coast tile.
I assume we want Monarchy to get Feudalism, since we already have the Mids?
I agree about switching to Representation. Will we get enough diplo points with Toku in the span of a GA that he would trade with us?
Gifting him a tech like CoL (and maybe Med as well) should instantly give us the +4 'fair trade relations' bonus, along with the existing +1 for sustained peace. If we lose the -3 for different religions by revolting to no religion, we will be at +5 and Pleased.
The next turn, we would stop being his worst enemy and he will then be willing to trade techs with us. We could also take the opportunity to open borders with him.
edit: and we want Monarchy because it is a vital pre-req, for Feudalism as you say which is required for Guilds, then Banking.....
The next turn, we would stop being his worst enemy and he will then be willing to trade techs with us. We could also take the opportunity to open borders with him.
edit: and we want Monarchy because it is a vital pre-req, for Feudalism as you say which is required for Guilds, then Banking.....
ChrisShaffer
Board gamer
Trading with Tokugawa plan seems fine to me.
