[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices

[LowtherCastle]

Right, but the problem is, we're giving him Clam for no reason (he has clam now)
The other trade is Crab for his Rice and we want that.

We have to keep one trade going or we get decay.
I suppose he could demand fur once we connect that, so we should get 3 fur. That's a great job for the Cows/Mids workers next turnset.

The clam gift is perfect against decay.

 

[Kaitzilla]

If we’re sending a third galley, how about with a confu miss instead of the chariot?

I don't think we have any spare confu missionaries.
Also, the capital is about to lose a lot of production, so there won't be more soon.

I also see the northern ice as maybe blocking. But blocked would explain no AI wbs. T102 we may find out from SB’s maps. Do we delay the galley?

Yes, ice would explain the lack of AI workboats.

I don't really want to delay the Galley.
It feels like we really need it now.
Slavery is about to end.

Is it my first time to witness a veto?
Is it possible to whip a galley first and do the civic switch at T95? If so, I would suggest not taking wb out of queue in this turn and wait for the next turn to see whether the path to north is completely blocked or not.

If we see no ice on T94 and delay galley, but find our way blocked on T95, we are 2 turns slow finding the southern AI.
If we see no ice on T94 + T95 and don't whip galley, but find our way blocked on T96, we won't be able to whip a galley and it will take ?????? turns to meet southern AI.​

 

[MirrorGuard]

Is it my first time to witness a veto?
Is it possible to whip a galley first and do the civic switch at T95? If so, I would suggest not taking wb out of queue in this turn and wait for the next turn to see whether the path to north is completely blocked or not.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Is it my first time to witness a veto?
Is it possible to whip a galley first and do the civic switch at T95? If so, I would suggest not taking wb out of queue in this turn and wait for the next turn to see whether the path to north is completely blocked or not.

my veto was a joke. Because WT said he thought I would be the one to suggest the 2whip. Of course I don’t veto the gaalley whip. .


Yes. It’s quite common to whip before switching out of slavery in the same turn.

 

[LowtherCastle]

WHIP THE GALLEY!

Whip it good.

 

[MirrorGuard]

Okay. Whip it then.

 

[WastinTime]

I should be able to whip wrap this up tonight yet. Thx for the input.
I'm not sayin' the ? tile is ice. I'm seeing it as land.
If you look close, the coast doesn't curve west.

 

[WastinTime]

Ok,
Green light
Continuing...
T92
Red Light

IBT: forest grows at Whales

T93
3 - seafood island (Peter's area) Wow. he has a lot of seafood (no fish)
Red Light
wb can see one tile farther than the chariot.
Ice blockage. And fog gazing shows the north passage is blocked too, right? Chariot woulda seen that.

resuming...

T94
We indeed see a horse blocking our wb.
Impossible to lose Mids now. Amazing that it's exactly 500h

IBT
Peter : Heriditary Rule (Monarchy!) Doh, not Alpha

Forest grows in our National Park!

T95
Scouting report
We have 100% scouted Peter's pre-Astronomy land (unless he can make a culture bridge thru the ocean.) There are 5 tiles of darkness preventing circum-nav, so even a +1 vis chariot on both ends would not help. And optics is +2 sight right? that also doesn't help. We need a caravel.
Peter has two, triple-seafood, 1-tile islands plus a third we can't see all the water yet.

There's also a report of a huge pile of stone stacked neatly in a triangle shape.

Turnset Complete. Uploaded

Spoiler Log :

Turn 91, 600 BC: Confucianism has spread in Profit.
Turn 91, 600 BC: The borders of Canal have expanded!

Turn 93, 550 BC: Cows has grown to size 4.
Turn 93, 550 BC: Canal has grown to size 5.
Turn 93, 550 BC: Canal has become unhappy.
Turn 93, 550 BC: Silver has grown to size 8.
Turn 93, 550 BC: Whales has grown to size 5.
Turn 93, 550 BC: Clearing a Forest will create 13 ℤ for Cows.
Turn 93, 550 BC: Clams will grow to size 4 on the next turn.

Turn 94, 525 BC: Science will become unhappy on the next turn.
Turn 94, 525 BC: Canal will become unhappy on the next turn.
Turn 94, 525 BC: Clams has grown to size 4.
Turn 94, 525 BC: Clams can hurry Galley for 2⇴ with 16ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 16 turns.
Turn 94, 525 BC: Clearing a Forest has created 24 ℤ for Cows.
Turn 94, 525 BC: Clearing a Forest will create 13 ℤ for Canal.
Turn 94, 525 BC: Clearing a Forest has created 13 ℤ for Cows.
Turn 94, 525 BC: Science will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 94, 525 BC: Cows will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 94, 525 BC: Canal will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 94, 525 BC: Silver will grow to size 9 on the next turn.
Turn 94, 525 BC: Profit will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 94, 525 BC: Clams will grow to size 3 on the next turn.
Turn 94, 525 BC: Lady Stoneheart has completed The Pyramids!
Turn 94, 525 BC: Canal can no longer work on The Pyramids. The lost ℤ is converted into 98ℴ!
Turn 94, 525 BC: Silver can no longer work on The Pyramids. The lost ℤ is converted into 62ℴ!
Turn 94, 525 BC: Whales can no longer work on The Pyramids. The lost ℤ is converted into 138ℴ!
Turn 94, 525 BC: Clams can no longer work on The Pyramids. The lost ℤ is converted into 264ℴ!
Turn 94, 525 BC: You have trained a Galley in Clams. Work has now begun on a Library.
Turn 94, 525 BC: Peter adopts Hereditary Rule!
Turn 94, 525 BC: A Forest has grown near Science!

Turn 95, 500 BC: Science has grown to size 7.
Turn 95, 500 BC: Science has become unhappy.
Turn 95, 500 BC: Science can hurry Confucian Missionary for 1⇴ with 24ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 32 turns.
Turn 95, 500 BC: Cows has grown to size 5.
Turn 95, 500 BC: Canal has grown to size 6.
Turn 95, 500 BC: Canal has become unhappy.
Turn 95, 500 BC: Silver has grown to size 9.
Turn 95, 500 BC: Profit has grown to size 4.

 

[MirrorGuard]

Great job. 2 forests in 1 turnset!

Spoiler :

SB settler incoming without an escort?

Peter's workboat is 2S1W of cows. SB's scout is 2S1W of science. If the scout is to move along the coast, they are meeting in no time.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Great job. 2 forests in 1 turnset!

Spoiler :

SB settler incoming without an escort?

Peter's workboat is 2S1W of cows. SB's scout is 2S1W of science. If the scout is to move along the coast, they are meeting in no time.

Ya!
Great job WastinTime

Peter's WB is 2W of Rice, and Sitting Bull's Scout is 2E1S of Rice.
Very promising.

Peter has 2 Wine, so Monarchy should help him out a lot.

Now that we know Peter, the good techer, was not working on Alphabet, should we try to tech Alphabet ourselves in 2 turns with Rep/Caste if SB+Peter meet?
It will let us get Iron Working and Monarchy from Peter and improve gems + wine.

We can trade gems to Peter.

We can also trade Civil Service to Peter and try to get him Friendly with us once he shares Bureau with us.
+1 Peace
+4 Fair Trade
+1 5 techs
+2 shared civic in 10 turns T111 ish?
+1 resource from cow/rice/fur/gems in 15 turns T110? Fur can be traded now on T95 Anarchy.
+1 OB T103
+1 shared religion T114?

Heck, maybe with Code of Laws and Civil Service, we can bribe Peter into Bureau + Caste to really pump out Great Scientists.
Peter will also tech faster for us with Bureau capital.

Also, Sitting Bull sucks and we are not likely to meet another AI with Alpha in the next 10 turns because the map maker hates us.

There's also a report of a huge pile of stone stacked neatly in a triangle shape.

Mids is ours!

I can't believe a forest grew 2N of Rice.
That is 2 BFC forests in our capital that grew.

 

[Kaitzilla]

SB settler incoming without an escort?

Crap

Well, if he settles close we can steal his techs or flip him into caste easily I guess.
Or burn down his empire and steal his treasury from his wheat city.

Hopefully he will get on that galley and settle the empty island up north.

 

[WastinTime]

We're not teching Alpha. Patience.

I want Peter in Bureau too. I think we have to bribe him or else he won't switch until T120, right? 25 turns after his last switch.
We need to try to get some techs from SB cus we're gonna run out of stuff we want to give Peter.
Monarchy. We should just be patient and get that from SB. Maybe even SB comes thru with Alpha.
SB should be our Philo target. Especially since we kept OB.
Peter could get us Feudalism, but not likely fast enough.

 

[Mitchum]

We're not teching Alpha. Patience.

I'm still on the fence about this. I know that you often don't tech Alphabet but you play a lot of Dieiy games. Have you considered that this is not Deity and the AI aren't as fast at teching as you're used to. Also, we only know 2 AI so we're putting a lot of faith in 2 random selections for what they tech next.

On the flip side, other than IW and Monarchy, what techs could we use right now? How much is not having IW, Monarchy and these other techs hurting us?

 

[Mitchum]

Nice work, WT. We've made it as far as the test game can take us (thank Sid!).

MG, you're up.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Well played, Maestro!

No copper or gold. Enjoy your swim.

 

[WastinTime]

No copper or gold. Enjoy your swim.

It's ok, I made a luxury boat with all the wood from my extra forests. I parked it right under 'the plank'

 

[LowtherCastle]

It's ok, I made a luxury boat with all the wood from my extra forests. I parked it right under 'the plank'

Distracted, huh? Now I understand why you didn’t spawn any copper… too busy vining together a “luxury” raft.

Naked and afraid?

 

[LowtherCastle]

Now I also understand why there’s no moss on the end of the plank, where you should’ve been hanging ten.

 

[Mitchum]

WT hangs 11.

 

[Kaitzilla]

I'm still on the fence about this. I know that you often don't tech Alphabet but you play a lot of Dieiy games. Have you considered that this is not Deity and the AI aren't as fast at teching as you're used to. Also, we only know 2 AI so we're putting a lot of faith in 2 random selections for what they tech next.

On the flip side, other than IW and Monarchy, what techs could we use right now? How much is not having IW, Monarchy and these other techs hurting us?

I am happy to get IW and Monarchy in trades.
This was not possible the last time we discussed Alphabet 10 turns ago.

We know Peter is not working on it. He just completed Monarchy.
We will not meet new AI in the next 10 turns due to ice.

The only way we are getting Alpha soon for free is from Sitting Bull.

Why tech Alpha?

Because we can gift 2 civs with the Philosophical trait Math, Alphabet, Meditation, and Code of Laws and they will likely bulb Philosophy for us.

We can put Peter on the fast track to Friendly by trading him civil service.
He will tech much faster for us with bureau.

Take the free IW and Monarchy now that our workers are free.
Improve gems, iron, and wine before we have to start chopping for oxford.

Give them all the tech we have now so they will tech something good for us like Monotheism or Feudalism.

Grab Archery now and it won't count as WFYABTA for the 4 new AI.
Get the gold and +4 mods from Pete and SB.

The AI are backwards.
Maybe they will ask for a free tech and we get +1 diplo that way.


Whoever gets Philosophy will no longer be Friendly though once they switch to Taoism.
Might have to avoid getting a religion T107.