[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices

LowtherCastle · Jul 17, 2020

PPP T135-T145

(Largely Copied from Kaitzilla and MirrorGuard: )

Overview
Continue spamming GPs, meet AIs, circumnavigate, trade techs for gold, prepare for DoW SB

Research

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Diplomacy

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Civic Switch: T135 Nationhood

Draft Muskets
T138 - Profit City, Cow City, Clam City (Clam City keeps +3 Rep

since it remains larger than Cow City)
T140 - Profit City

Workers

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Cities

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Units

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War Plan: Instead of amphibious, we cause SB 1t of anarchy T146. On T143 we decide whether we want to attack PP or Cahokia, using espionage and scouting intelligence.
T146 Bribe SB into Bureau or Nationhood to cause Anarchy.
T146 DoW SB, unload units at PP-1s or Cahokia-1s.
T147 Conduct spy mission to revolt SB city. Capture city.

Every turn

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Stopping points
Peter or Sitting Bull demands :gold:

, pause and discuss with team the amount.
Peter switches back to Taoism

Kait War Plan (Go / No-Go decision will occur T146)

Spoiler War strategy :

T135 Screenshots of the World

Spoiler :

Spoiler “Combat Odds” :

Draft 100% complete (no promises)

WastinTime · Jul 18, 2020

LowtherCastle said:
Road deer?

I thought we were keeping the other deer for the stone trick, so we can't have this deer.

WastinTime · Jul 18, 2020

I thought we were taking HBR and maybe archery (horse archer instead of chariot?)

WastinTime · Jul 18, 2020

LowtherCastle said:
EP spending on Peter just enough to keep eyes on research

all on SB for now? I think Peter switched to zero EPs on us after meeting SB.

WastinTime · Jul 18, 2020

After giving birth, Clams does merchants (no uni), Cows does Sci.
We need to look for money in the couch cushions. Each turn, if SB has a decent amt,.or maybe any amount. we need to sell him CivService and then Nationalism before we can bribe him to Nationhood. So that's 3 separate trades that could include cash (not even counting the Compass trade) Hmm... Why are we giving compass? should it just be CivService for Caste, etc?

Compass can wait for another time when he has more cash.

WastinTime · Jul 18, 2020

LowtherCastle said:
T135 Cancel silver to SB

Careful here. Sometimes the gold disappears, so do the tech for gold trade first.

MirrorGuard · Jul 18, 2020

I remember there is a population requirement to enable drafting in a city. Is it ≥8pop or ≥6?
After getting HBR&archery, can we still build chariot?

LowtherCastle · Jul 18, 2020

MirrorGuard said:
I remember there is a population requirement to enable drafting in a city. Is it ≥8pop or ≥6?
After getting HBR&archery, can we still build chariot?

≥6
Knights obsolete chariots but we don’t have iron.

LowtherCastle · Jul 18, 2020

WastinTime said:
After giving birth, Clams does merchants (no uni), Cows does Sci.
We need to look for money in the couch cushions. Each turn, if SB has a decent amt,.or maybe any amount. we need to sell him CivService and then Nationalism before we can bribe him to Nationhood. So that's 3 separate trades that could include cash (not even counting the Compass trade) Hmm... Why are we giving compass? should it just be CivService for Caste, etc?

Compass can wait for another time when he has more cash.

We’re in a bit of a bind. We need to go into bureau ourselves T143 if we want to bribe SB into it T146. But then we couldn’t draft at the end of our golden age. So if we only bribe SB into anarchy twice, nationhood being the second time on T146, then how do we gift him civil service then nationalism without him flipping into bureau himself on T145 or earlier for example ?

WastinTime · Jul 18, 2020

Can we count on him Switching to Bureau on his own? Either T136 (if we don't do Caste) or if we do Caste, would he do T140? or T145?
Or if we do caste T136 would he do Bureau T146?

WastinTime · Jul 18, 2020

if he does switch on his own, then (being non-spiritual) isn't he stuck with no self-initiated changes for 25 turns?
we can do caste 141, and nationhood 146

LowtherCastle · Jul 18, 2020

WastinTime said:
Can we count on him Switching to Bureau on his own? Either T136 (if we don't do Caste) or if we do Caste, would he do T140? or T145?
Or if we do caste T136 would he do Bureau T146?

Catastrophic. Bureau will turbocharge his tech rate to Feudalism. That’s why Bureau last, if at all.

LowtherCastle · Jul 18, 2020

I forget, if we bribe SB on T136 and we’re not at war, can he revolt again after 5t or 10t?

Kaitzilla · Jul 18, 2020

LowtherCastle said:
I forget, if we bribe SB on T136 and we’re not at war, can he revolt again after 5t or 10t?

I think a bribe on T136 means Sitting Bull won't change civics on his own until T146 at the earliest.

Kaitzilla said:
When an AI grows weary of running whatever civic they were forced into by the player, they will switch back to what they like the most and experience civilization wide Anarchy if not Spiritual, a huge deal for large empires. This tends to occur 25 turns after the last natural civic change (or 10 turns for Spiritual AI) at the earliest if the AI gets a new civic they want to switch into. If the AI natural civic change timer is less than 10 turns and the player bribes the AI to change civics (this does cause civilization-wide Anarchy to non-spiritual civs , unlike the spy influence civic mission which does not), then the AI natural civic change timer is reset to 10 turns and not 25.

Testing indicates a spy influence civic change does not reset the AI's natural civic change timer. In testing, Bismark naturally generated changed civic messages for the player on turn 25, turn 51, turn 77, turn 103, etc. A spy flip to Caste on turn 49 by the player delayed Bismark from naturally changing civics on turn 51, so he generated a changed civic message on turn 55 instead of turn 51. This can be understood by Bismark getting a "Can't change civics for 5 turns" message on his turn 49, Bismark changing his civic on his turn 54, and the human getting the message about the civic change on turn 55. In testing, a spiritual civ Isabella generated natural civic change messages for the player on turn 11, turn 22, turn 33, turn 44, etc.

bestsss said:
I believe non-Spiritual AI remain in a civic for 25 turns after switching, by which point both Churchill and Peter's backs should be broken.
The belief is wrong

If you trade switch AI, the timer is max (10, civerTimerLeft), but not 25.

Spoiler :

Code:

if (GET_PLAYER(eFromPlayer).AI_getCivicTimer() < GC.getDefineINT("PEACE_TREATY_LENGTH")) { GET_PLAYER(eFromPlayer).AI_setCivicTimer(GC.getDefineINT("PEACE_TREATY_LENGTH")); }

Or if there are 20 turns left due to previous switch, 20 turns will remain till the AI may switch the civic on their own, if less than 10 - it's set to 10.

Still switching is likely to incur 2 revolts which is still slowing 'em down.

Oh!
Ya, a bribe with Civil Service for Caste + techs + gold on T136 means we can bribe him again T146.
Normally he would switch to Bureau on his own T146, but we go 1st since we are the player and can bribe him into Nationalism before that happens I think.

LowtherCastle said:
T138 wb, 4 mer, 1/34-1f, 667gp, 24+7h, work stone

I think we can complete the workboat here just working coast.
Stone is more hammers but less commerce.

LowtherCastle said:
T144 chariot, 1 sci or merch?, 0/38+3f 2gp

The capital should probably run 1 scientist T144 due to Oxford.
Higher slider is nice with merchant, but the boost goes to all cities where as the scientist gets full oxford boost.

LowtherCastle said:
Phillip
T135-6 road
T137-9 road Clam-nw
T140-4 Cottage around Science

We need 1 of the farms in Science City to finish out our great person there.
Maybe have Phillip finish the farm 2E of Cow City to kill a bit of time before cottaging?

Kaitzilla · Jul 18, 2020

PPP looks pretty good.
Maybe add in that any Sitting Bull demand will be refused since we don't want a 10 turn peace treaty.

Green Light for LowtherCastle to play whenever comfortable.

Just focus on getting the Great People born.

If the Sitting Bull war fizzles out, it is no great loss.
He will still be a Friendly AI.
We will just have to bash one of the 4 heathens once we get Galleons.

LowtherCastle · Jul 18, 2020

@Kait: Profit drafts a musket T138 so the wb comes up 1h short... :sad:

LowtherCastle · Jul 18, 2020

Can SB draft units during anarchy?

Mitchum · Jul 18, 2020

How was the show, Princess?

Green light. No time to review in detail. Surprise, surprise.

Kaitzilla · Jul 18, 2020

LowtherCastle said:
Can SB draft units during anarchy?

I tested with the test game and bribing Zara into Org. Religion caused (Anarchy) to appear at the top of his city screens.
All his cities had the same amount of :food:

the next turn.

I can only assume the Anarchy occurred as we imagine it.
So AI shouldn't be able to draft or build anything. :hmm:

LowtherCastle · Jul 18, 2020

Kaitzilla said:
I tested with the test game and bribing Zara into Org. Religion caused (Anarchy) to appear at the top of his city screens.
All his cities had the same amount of the next turn.

I can only assume the Anarchy occurred as we imagine it.
So AI shouldn't be able to draft or build anything.

Can they upgrade archers to lbms?!?!?

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