[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices

[Mitchum]

It may be several turns before we have Astronomy and foreign trade routes from the New World so I think we should bribe Peter into Free Market as Kait suggested which means that we have to sell him up to Econ by T155.

 

[Mitchum]

I'm still working out the details of pulling in Sushi by 1 turn. I should have the PPP up shortly for the next 3 turns. I'll be stealing most of Kait's work, of course.

 

[Mitchum]

How does the caravel get the first Sushi executive all the way to Cows City in 2 turns? The fort has no road on it so the Sushi exec would lose one movement point getting on the road.

EDIT: We could set up a chain with the galley and caravel, I guess.

 

[Mitchum]

All open questions are listed in red.

PPP

T152 - T154

Continuing from Kait's last Turnset

Techs
If we go for the "Peter techs Astro"gambit, he needs Paper before he spawns his Great Scientist around T157 with his recent Anarchy. That way if Great Scientist is born, we can gift Education as noted by WT.
T152 - Liberalism
T153 – Liberalism (Choose Medicine as free tech after pressing end turn on T154)
T154 - Sushi Founded
T154 – Military Tradition (to open up the West Point build)

Workers
Cowboy
T152 - Move to jungle 2W1S of Science City
T153 - T155 Preserve jungle 2W1S of Science City

Shepherd
T152 - T155 Preserve Jungle (Yes, still 8 turns just like forest)

Rex
T152 - T155 Preserve Forest 2S1E of Science City

Heretic
T152 - T155 Preserve forest 2S1E of Science City

Phillip
T152 - Move to roaded fur 2N3E of Science City
T153 - T155 Preserve forest 1N2E of Science City

Joan Dark
T152 - Move to roaded fur 2N3E of Science City
T153 - T155 Preserve forest 1N2E of Science City

Sushi Schedule
Round 1
Silver -> Science + 1t travel
Round 2:
Silver-> Whales 0t
Science -> Clams 0t
Round 3:
Whales -> Cows 1t (caravel's 2nd trip)
Clams -> Canal 1t (needs a ride)
Round 4:
Cows -> Profit

These are the turns each city gets Sushi:
T154 - Silver City
T156 - Science City
T157 - Whale City
T158 - Clam City
T160 - Cow City
T161 - Canal City
T163 - Profit City

Cities
Science
Gets Sushi T156
T152 - National Park (goes to (114/300); Rice, Sheep, Horse, Wine, Riverplainsfarm, x2Gem Mine, Riverplainscottage, Engineer
T153 - National Park (goes to 148/300); Rice, Sheep, Horse, Wine, Riverplainsfarm, x2Gem Mine, Riverplainscottage, Engineer
T154 - National Park (goes to 180/300); Rice, Sheep, Horse, Wine, Riverplainsfarm, x2Gem Mine, x2Riverplainscottage
T155 - 3-pop whip National Park; (Yes, the city can whip at precisely 180/300)
T156 - Sushi Exec.
T157 - 2-pop whip Sushi Exec. -> Clam City
T158 - Courthouse

Cow
Gets Sushi T160
T152 - T154 Forge (11/120 ); Crab, Cow, Deer, Coast, x2 Riverplainsfarm, x2 Scientist

Canal (7/120 Forge and 5/120 Courthouse)
Gets Sushi T161
T152 – T154 Forge; Clam, x2Crab, Coast, x2 Scientist, Angry Citizen
T155 - 3-pop whip Forge; Clam, x2Crab, Scientist (it will only have 10/120 , can we really whip it?)
T154 - Courthouse; Clam, x2Crab, x2Scientist

Silver (50/120 Forge and 5/200 Bank)
Gets Sushi T154
T152 - Bank; Clam, x2Crab, Deer, Silver, Fur, x3 Coast, x2 Scientist
T153 - 2-pop Whip Forge; Clam, x2Crab, Deer, x4 Coast, Scientist
T154 - 5-pop Whip Sushi Exec.
T155 - Another Sushi Exec.
T156 - 2-pop Whip Sushi Exec.
T157 - Bank

Profit (8 overflow from earlier turn)
Gets Sushi T163
T152 - T153 Research; Crab, Whale, Coast, x2 Scientists (to ensure we finish Liberalism in 2 turns)
T154 Workboat; Crab, Whale, x3 Coast

Whales (20/30 Workboat and 3/120 Forge)
Gets Sushi T157
T152 – Research (to ensure we finish Liberalism in 2 turns)
T153 – 154 Workboat; Clam, x2Crab, Horse, Silver, Fur, x2 Coast, x2 Scientist
T155 - Another Workboat; Clam, x2Crab, Horse, Silver, Fur, x2 Coast, x2 Scientist

Clams (6/120 Courthouse and 4/120 Forge, Catapult 18/50)
Gets Sushi T158
T152 - 4-pop whip Forge 154/120 +2; x2Clam, Coast, Plainsfarm; 4 pops 4/28 +9
T153 - Catapult 18/50 + 27 OF + 2 OF + 2; x2Clam, Coast, Plainsfarm; 4 pops 13/28 +9
T154 - Catapult 49/50 + 2; x2Clam, Coast, Plainsfarm; 4 pops 22/28 +9
T155 - Courthouse 4/120 + [(1 OF + 2)*1.75 = 5) ; x2Clam, x2 Coast, Plainsfarm; 5 pops 26/30 +9
T156 - Courthouse 9/120 + (2*1.75 = 3); x2Clam, x3 Coast, Plainsfarm; 6 pops 20/32 +9
T157 - Whip Courthouse (168/120) +2; x2Clam, Plainsfarm; 3 pops 29/26 +9
T158 - Sushi executive; 4 pops 25/28 +9

Units
T150 Catapult vs. Scout Plan
T152 - T154 5xp Catapult attacks Scout 3 times to get 8xp, then heads to the front
T154 - New Catapult from Clam City keeps attacking scout!

Sitting Bull War
Here is a good view of Sitting Bull.

Spoiler :

We are hoping to take down Mesa Verde on T56 if possible.

Spy in Cahokia wait for 50% stationary bonus and then possibly steal treasury.

Capture of Mesa Verde:

T152
Galley 1 (at Chaco-NE) - Move NW+SW+S
Healthy Musket 1 (on Chaco Canyon ruins) - Board Galley 1 if the coast is clear near Mesa Verde
Injured Musket 2 (on Chaco Canyon ruins) - Take Cover promotion and board Galley 1
Cover Musket 3 (at Cahokia-NW) - Heal
Cover Musket 4 (at Cahokia-N) - Heal
Galley 2 (at Mound City-NW) - Move NE+2N
Chariot 1 (at Cahokia-N) - Move to rice farm and pillage
Musket 5 (at Cahokia-E) - Stay on rice and cover pillaging chariot
Musket 6 (at Cahokia-SE) - Move to incense
Musket 7 (at Mound City-S) - cover chariot
Chariot 2 (at Mound City-S) - pillage 2x
Trireme - Move N+NW and blockade Cahokia and Mound City

T153
Galley 1 - Drop off Musket 1 and Musket 2 on the fur at Mesa Verde-SE (to possibly pick off Dog Solder+Settler)
Musket 1 - Unload on fur at Mesa Verde-SE
Musket 2 - Unload on fur at Mesa Verde-SE
Cover Musket 3 - Board Galley 2
Cover Musket 4 - Board Galley 2
Galley 2 - Go S+S+SW if no Trireme in Mound city. If there is a trireme, cover galley with our trireme.
Chariot 1 - ??
Musket 5 - ??
Musket 6 - Pillage incense
Musket 7 - Move to mine at Mound City-S+SW
Chariot 2 - Move to mine at Mound City-S+SW

T154
Galley 1 - Move E+NE and pick up Musket 7 and Chariot 2 and then move SW
Musket 1 - Take out Dog Soldier + settler if possible, else pillage fur or move to Chaco Canyon-S if we want to attack on T155.
Musket 2 - Heal
Galley 2 - Move W+W+SW to Chaco Canyon-NW.
Chariot 1 - ??
Musket 5 - ??
Musket 6 - ??
Musket 7 - Board Galley 1
Chariot 2 - Pillage mine then board Galley 1

T155
Galley 1 - Move to Mesa Verde-N
Musket 1 - Move to Mesa Verde-S to avoid river penalty
Musket 2 - Move to Mesa Verde-S to avoid river penalty
Galley 2 - Move move to Mesa Verde-N
We can either attack Mesa Verde this turn with 4 amphibious units or unload all units at Mesa Verde-W and attack it T156.

T152+ (Galley at Canal-SW) – Move toward the endangered Clam, drop off the musket and chariot at Wine-1S on T152 then park on the Clam resource on T153.

T152+ Move caravel to Clam-W to block SBs Galley

T154 - Great General born? Consult team.

Other Places
Great Merchant in Moscow
T153 - Trade Mission for 1500 from Moscow if Harbor completed
Will talk to team if 1300

Caravel 2
T152 - Explore the fog to increase our map value, and then head towards Silver City by T154 to carry Sushi Exec on T155.

Galley 3W1N of Cows City
T152 - T153 Head back to Silver City to grab 2nd musket
T154 - Sail back southeast with musket

Musket drafted from Silver City
T153 - Get on Galley and sail to Cow City.

Diplomacy
T150 - All of our on Bismarck as long as Peter is just putting +1 on us.
Hold off on bulbing Astronomy until we see where Peter is going after he finishes Theology (4T).

T152 - Trade France Paper for 10+ map.
Gift France Calendar to move him to 4th if Paper wasn't enough, then bribe to DOW with Nationalism.
We can now trade with France to get Iron

T155 – Bribe Peter into Slavery for Education (unless his GS is born before now)
T165 – Bribe Peter into Free Market for Liberalism (he will need Economics before then)

How do we groom Bismarck to tech Replaceable Parts or Communism?

All Russia + France + Arab + German demands will be accepted unless it is for civic switch or a bunch of
All Sitting Bull + HRE demands will be denied
All AI demands will be discussed with team if possible

Check Every Turn
Record values
Screenshot Sitting Bull's buildings and cities
Did Moscow build a Harbor yet?
A new fist appears on scoreboard (Arabs might hit us 40 turns later if they target us and get Astro some day)
Did Peter spend more than 1 against us? If so adjust slider.
Did Peter spawn a great person?
Check if SB has built a Trireme. If Trireme in Cahokia, more our Trireme N-NW and blockade there so we can get to Cahokia-4W2N before he does. A Trireme should cost 38
Save at start and end of turn

Stopping Point
T154 - Get team input on Great General
T155 - Start of turn reached

Anything unexpected happens

 

[WastinTime]

T152 - T153 Head back to Silver City to grab 2nd musket – Or do we need to this chain the Sushi Executive into Cows City -> Science City?

the caravel can handle both sushi trips perfectly.

T154 – Bribe Peter into Free Market (and Slavery??) with ??

Oh, right. Econ->FM. I was thinking Corporation for FreeMarket cus I usually take FM after I get a corp founded.
Lemme think about this a minute.

How does the caravel get the first Sushi executive all the way to Cows City in 2 turns? The fort has no road

Caravel moves 4 now. So you pass thru the fort, but unload in cows city. We also have Engineering, so it can walk to Science on the same turn! I know, surprising only 1 turn from Silver to Science using only 1 boat.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Check each turn:
Peter spawn a GPerson ie GS?
Moscow build a harbor?

Don’t forget Peter also needs PP the turn he spawns a GS.

 

[WastinTime]

drop off the musket and chariot on the Wine resource on T152

Wine-1S

Load 2 muskets that razed Chaco Canyon onto Galley

How about leave the injured one there (promote it to Cover) heal and then pillage the mine and hamlet.
Or, since we need the money so badly, promote and do the hamlet before healing.

T152+ Move caravel to Clam-W (to block SB Galley) or allow the galley to pass?

block

T153 – Sell Economics to Peter
T154 – Bribe Peter into Free Market (and Slavery??) with ??

We want to be able to bribe him 155 (not 154) and more importantly again on 165, so let's not burn up two civics.
Let's just do slavery for Edu on 155 and wait for more $$ for Econ.
Put him in FreeMarket T165.

 

[WastinTime]

Don’t forget Peter also needs PP

P was given PP a while ago. We're waiting for him to pick Replaceable Parts.

 

[WastinTime]

Check the hammers in SB cities. Just assume he's building 3 triremes
With our caravel going north, we may have to retreat, hide,cease fire, etc
If you see a Trireme in Cahokia, you need to take our Trireme N-NW and blockade. That way, you can get to Cahokia-4W2N before he does.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Why do we want Peter in slavery? If he’s doing Astro or RP we want him rocking. Same goes for getting him asap into FM.

 

[Mitchum]

Caravel moves 4 now. So you pass thru the fort, but unload in cows city. We also have Engineering, so it can walk to Science on the same turn! I know, surprising only 1 turn from Silver to Science using only 1 boat.

I thought it was more than 8 tiles from the pick-up spot near Silver City to get into Cows City (I knew the Engineering walk was fine). I may not have sailed through the fort into Cows City when I calculated it. Let me check again.

Yep, I was sailing around the fort rather than through it. doh!

 

[Mitchum]

PPP has been updated with the recent feedback.

On the turn we see Peter get a GS, we'll have to sell him Education (if it happens before T155 and our planned bribe into Slavery)

 

[Mitchum]

Why do we want Peter in slavery? If he’s doing Astro or RP we want him rocking. Same goes for getting him asap into FM.

He has Banking so we're trying to prevent him from going into Mercantilism and killing all of our precious trade routes with him.

The other option is to gift Education then Econ and put him into Free Market on or before T155. I'm fine either way.

 

[LowtherCastle]

He has Banking so we're trying to prevent him from going into Mercantilism and killing all of our precious trade routes with him.

The other option is to gift Education then Econ and put him into Free Market on or before T155. I'm fine either way.

Kait: FM + Slavery
WT: Slavery
LC: FM (+ Castes)

Let’s compromise: Serfdom

 

[WastinTime]

Let’s compromise: Serfdom

Lol. I'm fine with free market but not both because of the turn 165 switch. I figured slavery first because we don't have to rush to give him 2 techs, and then he might whip the harbor and a bunch of universities.

Remember, he doesn't have REP, so I don't see caste being such a big tech boost for him. It might get him a GS sooner, but he probably has libraries and can run scientists. Caste will only increase chances he gets a merchant

 

[WastinTime]

updated my last post to argue more for slavery 155

 

[WastinTime]

Bribe Peter into Free Market for ???

probably liberalism

 

[WastinTime]

If you calculate that triremes are not coming soon enough to interfere, I suggest:
The other galley SW of Cahokia (I don't see a plan for it) should go to tentatively pickup the 2 healed, cover muskets.
Don't board them until T153 and you know there are no triremes coming and Mesa Verde looks like a good target.
Those 2 plus the 2 that took Chaco Canyon (now healed) could all go raze Mesa Verde? 156? or 157?
Remember, SB will take slavery/anarchy 10t after we changed his civics. Is that T155?

 

[LowtherCastle]

Lol. I'm fine with free market but not both because of the turn 165 switch. I figured slavery first because we don't have to rush to give him 2 techs, and then he might whip the harbor and a bunch of universities.

Remember, he doesn't have REP, so I don't see caste being such a big tech boost for him. It might get him a GS sooner, but he probably has libraries and can run scientists. Caste will only increase chances he gets a merchant

Peter -> FM also gives us a commerce (>gold) boost now but not after Astro, right?

 

[MirrorGuard]

Peter -> FM also gives us a commerce (>gold) boost now but not after Astro, right?

Each of Peter's city will appear no more than once in our trade route list. FM boosts Peter not us.