I'm surprised the slider is about the same as 9 merchants. for +890% slider with 9 scientists in Canal: -94per turn +1071
we only lose 13Shouldn't the loss we take in Science (@ 175%) outweigh the sci -> merch changes in one city?
[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices
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we only lose 13Shouldn't the loss we take in Science (@ 175%) outweigh the sci -> merch changes in one city?
how about 80% slider and all sci in Canal?I assume 90% slider with 9 merchants in Canal would be -67
Maybe Science's Market is making up for some of this.
I'm not sure either.I'm surprised the slider is about the same as 9 merchants. for +8
Shouldn't the loss we take in Science (@ 175%) outweigh the sci -> merch changes in one city?
Science City has a x3.35 science multiplier
Here are the results of 9 scientists in Canal and 80% slider:
100%: -129
per turn +113480%: -59
per turn +1008Spoiler :
per turn and -126 per turn
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With scientists instead of merchants in Canal, we are gaining 50 for -27 per turn for a ratio of 50/27 = 1.85
With raising the slider from 80% to 100%, we are gaining 126 for 70 per turn for a ratio of 1.8
So, working scientists in Canal is a tiny bit better than using the slider?
for -27 per turn for a ratio of 50/27 = 1.85With raising the slider from 80% to 100%, we are gaining 126
for 70 per turn for a ratio of 1.8So, working scientists in Canal is a tiny bit better than using the slider?
Playing Real Game now from PPP
Turnset #3 T186 - T188
Continuing from Turnset #2
T186 - Great Engineer born in Germany
Paris has 329
St. Petersburg has finished and started something new.
Science is putting 88 into Hagia
Clam City is putting 63 into Sistene
Saladin has a stack of Horse Archers approaching Aachen.
I can't believe asking over and over each turn to attack Aachen really works.
Pasture and farm pillaged for 4 and 5
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Turnset #3 T186 - T188
Continuing from Turnset #2
T186 - Great Engineer born in Germany
Paris has 329
St. Petersburg has finished and started something new.
Science is putting 88
into HagiaClam City is putting 63
into SisteneSaladin has a stack of Horse Archers approaching Aachen.
I can't believe asking over and over each turn to attack Aachen really works.
Pasture and farm pillaged for 4
and 5**Edit**
Game paused and debating with team.
This post will be duplicated and continued in a later post...
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With scientists instead of merchants in Canal, we are gaining 50
With raising the slider from 80% to 100%, we are gaining 126
So, working scientists in Canal is a tiny bit better than using the slider?
due to rounding, it could be as low as 45 for -27. So as low as 1.67
Ah.
I'll work the merchants then.
Cease Fire with Sitting Bull is now on the table.
Our Caravel and spy can enter closed borders.
I think keeping the war going is best way to keep spies from being built as long as we keep killing Triremes.
Might also be able to snag that worker using our galley.
MirrorGuard
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I think there might be another option…run all merchants no scientists in science city. The reason is very simple, great scientist can only be used to build another academy…fission is not needed.
speaking of workers, when do we disband some of them? how much return are we getting in some cases?
Red light! Hold up Kait.
This could be a great idea. We need calculate. It would be a small gamble tho.
Mitchum
Deity
Is the thinking that a GM is worth more than a GS at this point? Because the science multipliers are much better than the gold multipliers in Science (obviously).
When do we get the next great person from Science?
When do we get the next great person from Science?
I've brought this idea up like twice.
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/sgotm-26-home-slices.657330/page-284#post-15890057
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/sgotm-26-home-slices.657330/page-284#post-15890096
We lose 2300
and gain 855The great merchant is not guaranteed.
It is born on T205 or T206 and has to travel overseas.
We only get about 10 turns to spend our cash.
We are currently at 266/1800 good 97% scientist 3% artist
The great Scientist can settle and give 300
over 10 turns.I don't think a 2nd academy would help elsewhere.
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T204. spread to Prague? T206?
By working 12 merch vs 12 sci
and lose 99 ratio: 2.2we get 45
and lose 120 ratio: 2.67If we build a bank:
63
for -120 ratio : 1.9
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MirrorGuard
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Actually the research multiplier in science is subject to the research slider at breakeven point. Cottages gem mines trade route income will be converted to gold whenever we cannot run 100% slider. If we are to take this option seriously, bank is also better than building wealth.
Before we had money problems, this idea is no good, but now we know we are going to have to lose science at a rate of 1.8 : 1
Mitchum
Deity
I think we lose more than 99By working 12 merch vs 12 sci
we get 45
since our science multiplier is 235%.Don't we lose (3*12)*3.35 = 121
?EDIT: Loss of 121 agrees with Kait's numbers...
oops. forgot about the academy and FreeReligionI think we lose more than 99
Mitchum
Deity
I just changed the specialists in the game and we actually lose 110.55 I'm not sure how that math works.
But like WT said, now that we have money problems this may be the only way we can keep the slider at 100%... And with a GM (at decent odds) we can cash in and run the slider at 100% for the final 10ish turns running scientists everywhere.
I'm not sure how that math works.But like WT said, now that we have money problems this may be the only way we can keep the slider at 100%... And with a GM (at decent odds) we can cash in and run the slider at 100% for the final 10ish turns running scientists everywhere.
Mitchum
Deity
For a final 40 turns that "nearly play themselves" there sure are a lot of complications. haha
