Mitchum
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Have we agreed where the current Cows wb goes? I'm thinking Clams City but not strongly. We have (or will have) a lot of hammers in the NW already...
[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices
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Clams
monument: ok
T79 - Granary; PHmine (chop lands)
(edit: changed my mind to agree with 2 chops)
I think I prefer one chop here on 78 and then building it for MaxOF whip around T84
Half full granary, size 1.
City grows back to size 2 maybe 1 turn late after borders.
monument: ok
T79 - Granary; PHmine (chop lands)
(edit: changed my mind to agree with 2 chops)
Half full granary, size 1.
City grows back to size 2 maybe 1 turn late after borders.
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Yeah, as long as we keep the monument in the plan. Go to Clams
No, maybe you're right. 2 chops.
Grow to size 3 just in time for 2nd clam. set up LH for 2 pop whip.
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LowtherCastle
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Green light.
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Another reason not to explore west with the SB chariot is that it’s probably glory land. Look at it this way, a work boat early on could’ve gotten past the Cahokia culture to the east. That work boat would’ve had to travel all the way south who knows how far around the land to come back and finally find this little peninsula going west from mound city. In other words, take forever to find the glory land.
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I wonder if it’s conceivable to determine if one AI is separate from all others using the import export statistics. In other words using the average import export to determine that one person has no trade routes at all.
I guess I'm green light. I can't separate any more what I used to want and currently want done in each city.
Seems like I agreed last time I read thru it.
Seems like I agreed last time I read thru it.
Mitchum
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You agree with everything in the PPP. (waves hand in front of WT's face)
You had trouble separating what you used to want and currently want done in each city?!? If you're having trouble knowing what you want, imaging what I've been going through.
I've toggled the MM on a few cities back and forth a few times as the discussion ebbed and flowed. I think I've captured what's been agreed but I can tweak things as needed. No rush, no pressure. I am excited to see what the next 4 to 5 turns brings in terms of exploration and securing the CS sling.
After this, you should probably put out a PPP thru Mids 
(T80-95ish)
Who's up after you?
(T80-95ish) Who's up after you?
Mitchum
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Agreed. That makes the most sense to ensure that everything is aligned and ready (i.e. infra, religion spread, population, techs, etc.) for the Representation + Caste push post 'Mids.After this, you should probably put out a PPP thru Mids
Who's up after you?
I'm sure that you already know but you're up after me. I won't have much time to play test this weekend (per usual) but it will probably take that long for people to agree on a general plan forward. I can start working on the PPP on Monday.
EDIT: I do think we need to slightly pick up the pace. The test game is great for nailing down every last Food/Hammer/Commerce but it does slow us down as we optimism every little detail. Maybe we retire the test game post Mids???
Oh, cool. I was just trying to get you to my (85-95) PPP for me
Those 10 turns should be in my wheelhouse. I won't have to worry about the basics (gran, lh, wb, mon), and just focus on failgold.
I know you're going to leave me penniless, but you're gonna get me currency, yes?
Looks goodPPP
Turn 75 to Turn 80
Continuing from MirrorGuard's Turnset
Techs
T75 - Code of Laws 100% (456-51) +75
Code of Laws@ 0+Overflow/546
T76 - Code of Laws 100% (405
T77 - Code of Laws 100% (377
T78 - Code of Laws 100% (328
T79 – Code of Laws 100% (277
Workers
Rex - (Worker 1S of Science City)
T75 Complete road
T76 Move to forest at Clam City-1N2W
T77 - T79 Chop into Clam City granary
T80+ Help Shepherd fare 1E of Rice then road forest 1S1W of Rice
Cowboy - (Worker 2E of Whale City)
T75 - T78 Chop forest into Granary
T79 - T80 - Camp Silver's Deer (Kait's MM and my original plan)
Phillip - (Worker 1S1W of western Gems)
T75 Complete road
T76 Move to forest at Cows-S
T77 - T79 Chop forest into Pyramids
T80+ Fix the Deer Road
Joan Dark - (Worker 2W of Profit City)
T75 - T77 Chop forest into Oracle
T78 - Move 1N onto stone quarry then 1E onto forest and chop forest into Oracle
T79 - Board Galley at Profit-NE
T80+ - Unload at Science-4S1W then road the gems at Science-2S
Shepherd - (Worker 1N1W of Clams City)
T75 - T78 Mine forest plains hill 1N1W of Clams City
T79+ Farm Plains tile 1E of Rice then road forest 1S1W of Rice
Cities
Science
T75 - Pyramids (at 58/500); Sheep, Horse, Winefarm, Rice, Plainsfarm (fired scientists)
T76 - 1-pop Whip Dun; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm (Make sure to trade away Stone+Deer to Sitting Bull after whipping Profit City+Science City both Duns)
T77 - Pyramids (at 78/500
T78 - Pyramids (at 196/500
T79 - Warrior; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsfarm
T80 - Stop
Cows
T75 - T76 Workboat; Crab, Cow, Deer, PHFur, Tundrafur (Goes to Clams)
T77 - Granary; Crab, Cow, Deer, PHFur, Tundrafur
T78 - 2-pop Whip Granary; Crab, Cow, Deer
T79 - Pyramids; Crab, Cow, Deer (chop lands)
T80 - LH; Stop
Canal
T75 - LH; Clam, Crab, unimproved Clam, Tundraforest (11
T76 - 2 pop Whip Lighthouse; Clam, Crab
T77 - Dun; Clam, Crab, Tundraforesthill (2
T78 – T79 - Dun; Clam, Crab, unimproved Clam, Coast (we need the)
T80 - Stop
Silver
T75 - 2-pop Whip Lighthouse; Clam, Crab x2
T76 - Workboat; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine
T77 - 1 pop Whip Workboat; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine
T78 - T79 - Moai; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine, Fur
T80 - Stop
Profit
T75; Dun; Crab, Stone, Coast
T76 - 1-pop Whip Dun; Crab, Stone (Make sure to trade away Stone+Deer to Sitting Bull after whipping Profit City+Science City Both Duns)
T77 - T79 Oracle CRUCIAL BUILD; Crab, Stone
T80 - Stop
Whales
T75 - T77 Granary; Crab, Silvermine
T78 - Granary; Crab, Silvermine (Chop lands)
T79 - 1-pop Whip Granary; Silver (Avoid growth)
T80 - Stop
T81 - (Turn off avoid growth)
Clam City
T75 Monument; Clam, unimproved forest plains hill (3
T76 1-pop Whip Monument; Clam
T77 - Granary; Clam
T78 - Granary; PHmine (Chop lands)
T79 - Granary; PHmine (chop lands)
T80 - Anarchy?
Units
Galley 1 (2N1E of Profit City)
T75 - Sail to Profit-NE
T76 - T78 Wait
T79 - Pick up Joan Dark and sail to mainland
Galley 2 (2S1W of Whales City)
T75 – Explore west
Warrior 2 (In Silver City)
T75+ - Garrison Silver City
Warrior 3 (1S of Science City)
T75 - Move to Gems tile 2S1W of Science City
T77 - Pillage plains hill road 1S1W of gems tile to regain Stone+Deer from Sitting Bull
Scout 1 (On Galley 2 2S1W of Whales City)
T75 - Explore the west
Chariot (In Sitting Bull's lands)
T75+ Explore Sitting Bull's lands heading south
Workboat 10 (Born in Cow City on Turn 78)
T78 - Sail for Clams
Workboat 11 (Born in Silver City on Turn 78)
T79 – Sail for Whale City to net 2nd seafood on T83
Diplomacy
Espionageon Sitting Bull
T76 - Cancel Sheep gift to Sitting Bull to fix Silver City
T76 - Give Stone + Deer to Sitting Bull after whipping Duns in Science and Profit City.
Stopping Points
Any World Wonder is completed by the AI
Meet a new AI
Start of Turn 80 is reached
A stack containing more than 1 Sitting Bull military unit is spotted marching towards Canal City
Notes
Save at the end of each turn
Check that
Check SBs production, watch for a Settler.
I like the capital building Pyramids on T78 and Silver City putting hammers in Maoi.
Each garrison Warrior costs +1
per turn in unit cost, so delaying producing them until we need them is a good idea unless we have iron under a city tile.Finishing Deer is a good idea.
After 2 turns finishing that camp, our Worker can just focus on improving Whale City without any distractions.
Whales reaches Size 3 on T85, the same turn the worker finishing improving horse after Deer.
The Worker can then improve fur and the city can grow to Size 4 onto the silver mine.
Don't need to use the dangerous "Avoid Growth" button in Whale City if we are working silver on Turn 79.
The city should be at 20/22
after whipping Granary.T75 - Trade Sheep to Sitting Bull for his Rice
That is the only change I'd make to the PPP.
I'll double check everything later.
Exciting to get Oracle done and another source of happiness on T85.
This will be a great turnset with all the exploring.
I wonder if anyone will be brave enough to suggest running 2 scientists in Canal City so we can have a 56% chance Great Scientist on Turn 94?
44% Great Spy Golden Age would let us change religions and get into Caste/Rep with no Anarchy.
Try to end the golden age by bulbing Philosophy and switching to Slavery/Pacifism.
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On T79, can do silver fur->coast+ clams mine->clam without affecting COL progress. silver will grow to pop 6 next turn and clams can enable halt growth for 1 turn later for maximized food output. It is 6f4c for 5h4c.
You mean on T79 Clam City should work Clams instead of Mine (city goes to 14/22
) and use the Avoid Growth button?Yes, that would work.
Would need to remember to turn off Avoid Growth button on T82 when the city reaches 22/22
That would free up money for Silver City to work coast instead of fur and grow to Size 6 with just enough food.
Silver City can just whip a Library when it gets an angry citizen (Size 7 I think)
Gems coming online T85 will fix a lot of anger issues.
**Edit**
on Turn 87. 
In the original plan it is possible for Lighthouse to be 30/60
on T87 and the Lighthouse can be 1-pop whipped in time for 2nd clam to get netted T88.Maybe Canal City can work 1
2 coast on T75 and then Silver City can work coast instead of fur on T79?**Edit 2**
I was wrong.
The Mirrorguard suggestion of T79 Clams with "Avoid Growth" actually comes out with the same
, +3 and +2 
The Lighthouse can be 1-pop whipped T87 at 33/60
after working plains mine for 3 turns.
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I think what WT suggested earlier implies we need to enter GAs with philosophy, higher pop+ more food bin storage, Parthenon, Great Library, National Epic to make most use out of it. Your plan means 1st GA is for getting things started faster and we may need a 3rd GA using Taj and give up Parthenon.
I don't want to 1 pop whip for zero OFHang on, with this proposed change, the Lighthouse can only reach 29/60
In the original plan it is possible for Lighthouse to be 30/60
Just patiently wait for size 4 and whip it properly. Meanwhile, start a library or dun or something.Ok, our 1st Great Scientist will probably come from Silver City then.
I don't want to 1 pop whip for zero OF
Right, I got carried away.
Ya, can switch to Dun and just 2-pop whip Lighthouse at Size 4.
Any idea on what turn Silver City might whip a Library?
I'm looking at the Maoi gold T78 and wondering if the workboat overflow can just go into Library, and when Library whips the overflow can go into Pyramids.
I think with Mirrorguard's idea getting Silver City to Size 6 by T80, we can 3-pop whip a 29/90 Library on T82.
I'm looking at the Maoi gold T78 and wondering if the workboat overflow can just go into Library, and when Library whips the overflow can go into Pyramids.
I think with Mirrorguard's idea getting Silver City to Size 6 by T80, we can 3-pop whip a 29/90 Library on T82.
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