Mitchum
Deity
I've updated the PPP. I could play some turns in about 4 hours from now. Any last-minute comments are welcome!
[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices
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anyone ever look at our 'burst' rate of research? Like if we ran virtually 100% scientists (plus things like gems) and starved our empire -7 population per turn for the last couple turns?
Should we plan to stop at T212 and see if we can do everything 1t sooner? UN and all the final chops.
Should we plan to stop at T212 and see if we can do everything 1t sooner? UN and all the final chops.
We need population to get easy UN votes.
All our cities will have no food reserves, so I don't think we have much burst to tap.
Mitchum
Deity
I can stop on T212 and see where we are but then I'd have to work more hammers (and fewer Scientists) to make finishing the UN on T212 possible (movie plays T213). I think the current plan is the best we can do and even that isn't for sure.
Mitchum
Deity
I'm getting ready to play. Make sure that you don't have any issues with this from the PPP:
Delete Warrior garrison in our capital and the 2nd Caravel at Cows-3W1N to save 2
per turn
Delete Galley 2
I don't want someone coming up with a use for a caravel or galley after we've deleted them.
The main thing Galley 2 could be useful for is moving workers from the NW to our core but I think 2 workers in the NW is just right and they should stay there until the end.
Delete Warrior garrison in our capital and the 2nd Caravel at Cows-3W1N to save 2
per turnDelete Galley 2
I don't want someone coming up with a use for a caravel or galley after we've deleted them.
The main thing Galley 2 could be useful for is moving workers from the NW to our core but I think 2 workers in the NW is just right and they should stay there until the end.
Mitchum
Deity
Turnset Report - T205 to T211
T205
Cancel Whale to Peter for 3 gpt. Peter went from having 2 gpt on the table to 0 so now we can't get our 3 gpt back. I'll watch for it to go back up.
Renegotiate Fur to Louis for 1 gpt.
Delete warrior garrison in Science. Save 1 gpt.
Delete caravel at Cows-3W1N. Save another 1 gpt.
Save Galley 2 just in case there is an emergency need to shuttle workers.
+1353
1705 @ -110/turn
T206
We get 56 for Sistine in Cows.
Peter has 70 for trade.
Sal has a stack of Maces, HAs, xbows and chariots approaching Vienna (no siege).
Our galleon runs into a stack of 2 HRE triremes on its way to Fur Island to pillage the crabs. He should survive.
Delete Chariot near Prague to save 2/turn.
+1353
1651 @ -110/turn
T207
Our galleon defends against two of HRE's triremes. Still has 4
too.
Pillage crab nets for 7. Galleon seeks deeper waters.
Bismarck has a caravel south of Clams and could meet SB in 2 turns.
Peter is down to 50 for trade. Still no /turn from him.
Trade Communism to Bismarck for Free Market, 40 and map.
Cahokia spy is at -40 EP cost and still cannot steal treasury.
HRE has 3 promoted LBs and a sword in Vienna; Sal has 2 maces, 5 HAs, 2 xbows, 2 chariots and 1 LB at the city gates. Bismark has 2 knights within striking distance if Sal attacks next turn, weakens the defenders. If Biz follows Sal, it's possible that Vienna goes down next turn.
+1366
1588 @ -113/turn
T208
Peter asks to trade Divine Right for GP +145. Nope!
SB and Bismarck have met. Biz is +3 pleased with SB.
Sal takes a run at Vienna and fails. There are two wounded LBs and a wounded Sword. Our first attack is at 74.28% odds and we have 7 Muskets ready to go. Do we want to take HRE off the board now? Pausing for discussion.
Continuing the attack on Vienna:
Spy performs Counter Espionage mission to get a free ride home (100% success) - no chance to remove walls.
C3 cover Musket attacks at 74.28% odds... wins.
C2 Musket attacks at 86.47% odds... wins.
C2 Cover Musket attacks at 98.51% odds... wins.
We get 116 and HRE has been taken off the board.
Both outside-BFC chops have completed in Science so I put 178
into WP.
SB Spy still can't steal treasury. We have 168
and add +18 each turn. How many EPs do we think we need?
Deleting the two workers we captured in Vienna save 4/turn.
Peter will have Astronomy in 2 turns.
Trade Constitution to Bismarck for war with SB and map.
I decide to hang onto our Muskets for now (we'd only save 1 gpt for every 2 we delete).
Bismarck: +13 total with +3 mutual military
Sal: +11 total with +4 mutual military
Louis: +10 total with +2 mutual military
+1361
1591 @ -160/turn
T209
A forest grows at Science-SW. We can send workers there after the Cows forest chops into WP.
Sal adopts Caste System.
Pillage crab nets south of Vienna for 5.
Vanna White and Heretic move to the new forest at Science-SW instead of their planned duties to speed up the Forest Preserve.
Bismarck: +14 total with +4 mutual military
Sal: +11 total with +4 mutual military
Louis: +10 total with +2 mutual military
+1361
1436 @ -138/turn
T110
Peter learns Democracy.
SB Spy still cannot steal treasury at 204 EPs.
Cows switches to WP to capture 5 outer chops for 54 base. Total of 203 going into WP this turn.
Bismarck: +14 total with +4 mutual military
Sal: +11 total with +4 mutual military
Louis: +10 total with +2 mutual military
+1361
1298 @ -140/turn
T111
Industrialism learned, set research to Refrigeration. We have aluminum everywhere but only one is mined in Clams.
UN will be done in 2 turns.
SB moves three triremes toward our caravel and trireme (our Caravel had gone to pick up the spy for one turn, hope that doesn't cost us). Trireme could be upgraded for 50.
Stopping and uploading so we can assess the UN situation.
T205
Cancel Whale to Peter for 3 gpt. Peter went from having 2 gpt on the table to 0 so now we can't get our 3 gpt back. I'll watch for it to go back up.
Renegotiate Fur to Louis for 1 gpt.
Delete warrior garrison in Science. Save 1 gpt.
Delete caravel at Cows-3W1N. Save another 1 gpt.
Save Galley 2 just in case there is an emergency need to shuttle workers.
+1353
1705
@ -110/turnT206
We get 56
for Sistine in Cows.Peter has 70
for trade.Sal has a stack of Maces, HAs, xbows and chariots approaching Vienna (no siege).
Our galleon runs into a stack of 2 HRE triremes on its way to Fur Island to pillage the crabs. He should survive.
Delete Chariot near Prague to save 2
/turn.+1353
1651
@ -110/turnT207
Our galleon defends against two of HRE's triremes. Still has 4
too.Pillage crab nets for 7
. Galleon seeks deeper waters.Bismarck has a caravel south of Clams and could meet SB in 2 turns.
Peter is down to 50
for trade. Still no /turn from him.Trade Communism to Bismarck for Free Market, 40
and map.Cahokia spy is at -40 EP cost and still cannot steal treasury.
HRE has 3 promoted LBs and a sword in Vienna; Sal has 2 maces, 5 HAs, 2 xbows, 2 chariots and 1 LB at the city gates. Bismark has 2 knights within striking distance if Sal attacks next turn, weakens the defenders. If Biz follows Sal, it's possible that Vienna goes down next turn.
+1366
1588
@ -113/turnT208
Peter asks to trade Divine Right for GP +145
. Nope!SB and Bismarck have met. Biz is +3 pleased with SB.
Sal takes a run at Vienna and fails. There are two wounded LBs and a wounded Sword. Our first attack is at 74.28% odds and we have 7 Muskets ready to go. Do we want to take HRE off the board now? Pausing for discussion.
Continuing the attack on Vienna:
Spy performs Counter Espionage mission to get a free ride home (100% success) - no chance to remove walls.
C3 cover Musket attacks at 74.28% odds... wins.
C2 Musket attacks at 86.47% odds... wins.
C2 Cover Musket attacks at 98.51% odds... wins.
We get 116
and HRE has been taken off the board.Both outside-BFC chops have completed in Science so I put 178
into WP.SB Spy still can't steal treasury. We have 168
and add +18 each turn. How many EPs do we think we need?Deleting the two workers we captured in Vienna save 4
/turn.Peter will have Astronomy in 2 turns.
Trade Constitution to Bismarck for war with SB and map.
I decide to hang onto our Muskets for now (we'd only save 1 gpt for every 2 we delete).
Bismarck: +13 total with +3 mutual military
Sal: +11 total with +4 mutual military
Louis: +10 total with +2 mutual military
+1361
1591
@ -160/turnT209
A forest grows at Science-SW. We can send workers there after the Cows forest chops into WP.
Sal adopts Caste System.
Pillage crab nets south of Vienna for 5
.Vanna White and Heretic move to the new forest at Science-SW instead of their planned duties to speed up the Forest Preserve.
Bismarck: +14 total with +4 mutual military
Sal: +11 total with +4 mutual military
Louis: +10 total with +2 mutual military
+1361
1436
@ -138/turnT110
Peter learns Democracy.
SB Spy still cannot steal treasury at 204 EPs.
Cows switches to WP to capture 5 outer chops for 54
base. Total of 203 going into WP this turn.Bismarck: +14 total with +4 mutual military
Sal: +11 total with +4 mutual military
Louis: +10 total with +2 mutual military
+1361
1298
@ -140/turnT111
Industrialism learned, set research to Refrigeration. We have aluminum everywhere but only one is mined in Clams.
UN will be done in 2 turns.
SB moves three triremes toward our caravel and trireme (our Caravel had gone to pick up the spy for one turn, hope that doesn't cost us). Trireme could be upgraded for 50
.Stopping and uploading so we can assess the UN situation.
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Did I mention he has 9 triremes. Stay in the ocean tiles!
Mitchum
Deity
I saw the triremes near his capital. I didn't know that there would be more floating near Fur Island. I think I'll survive.
Should I keep the galley near Cows or delete it?
we should be able to afford 1gpt to keep it
Mitchum
Deity
Louis just lost 18 points last turn and dropped below Sal by 11. We now have -1 for being a large civilization. He's still Friendly toward us but should I sell him a tech for his 10?
EDIT: I'll wait for now. I don't think we need to rush and maybe he'll have more gold soon.
?EDIT: I'll wait for now. I don't think we need to rush and maybe he'll have more gold soon.
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Mitchum
Deity
Waiting to see if we want to take HRE off the board this turn. Sal took a run at him and got him down to 2 injured LBs and an injured Sword.
I guess finishing HRE is OK if we're sure we can get them all at war with SB. I know we can trigger them all meeting when the UN is built. Any other attitude hurdles?
Mitchum
Deity
Having HRE gone will likely make it harder to get Bismarck on the upper half of the score board.
I think we'll be able to manage it post UN with a dog pile on SB. I'm just not sure what the shared war decay is or how long it will take to build back up.
As far as I know, we can get everyone except Saladin to DOW Sitting Bull.
Mitchum
Deity
So is that OK or will Sal sitting out pose a problem? I guess we don't need his votes, right?
Do we need to do some vote counting now to make sure that we're fine?
MirrorGuard
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The civ illustrated page says both Bis and Louis require pleased against pleased; Saladin requires pleased against annoyed.
There is a small risk. Some of them may start plotting against Peter/SB(aggressive AI?) after their war is over. When they are busy, no bribe war option available.
BTW, after HRE disappears from the score board, can we still get rid of Louis' -1 " threatened by your large civilization"?
There is a small risk. Some of them may start plotting against Peter/SB(aggressive AI?) after their war is over. When they are busy, no bribe war option available.
BTW, after HRE disappears from the score board, can we still get rid of Louis' -1 " threatened by your large civilization"?
Mitchum
Deity
I'm going to stop for the day until we're 100% sure that we'll be fine by eliminating HRE this turn. Note that Sal nearly took the city with his non-siege stack so if we don't kill off HRE ourselves, it is highly possible that one of the other AI will do so in the next 15 turns.
Right, so just take the conquer gold and we will deal with relations. Don't we have several extra points with each AI.
I was expecting to get them all to vote for us. Even Sal.
I'd have to look back at the code. IIRC, it won't matter if HRE is dead or not. Do we have a handy link to how I explained it last time?
Mitchum
Deity
Yeah, I think we'll have to deal with it whether we take the city or not so we may as well get the gold. I have time to play a bit more so I'll progress the game forward.
