SGOTM 9 - Wacken

[gozpel]

Gozpel, I hope you are not misunderstanding the comments i made. I do not think any bad about you or your game. I have send you mail and accept the challenge.

I don't misunderstand anything, mate. I'm game anytime.

Or Goofy: I gotcha, kinda. No, we gotcha!

Challenge accepted and taken.

Sorry guys, the rest will be by pbem.

That was a good smiley at the time, a waggling crown!

 

[WackenOpenAir]

So if it is to test our expansion strategy, we need to set definitions for the goals
Most likely you will end up with more cities while i will end up with more workers, and better improved tiles. Wwhat is better ?

 

[Wotan]

A lean lunch today, Civ!
Turn log

0 – 1750BC
Reykjavik switch to Warrior, as does Oslo. Copenhagen switch to Granary. Settlers move.

1 – 1725BC
Oslo builds Warrior, Worker started.
Stockholm founded, Worker started. Killed a Barb. Spotted Dyes north of Stockholm.

3 – 1675BC
Birka founded, Worker started.
Trondheim builds Settler, Settler started. Killed a Barb. Spotted Ivory in the west.

4 – 1650BC
Bergen builds Worker, Warrior started.
Reykjavik builds Warrior, Worker started.

5 – 1625BC
Dispersed a Barb.Camp.

6 – 1600BC
Oslo builds Worker, Granary started.
Dispersed a Barb.Camp.
Mongols have Writing…

7 – 1575BC
Trondheim builds Settler, Settler started.

8 – 1550BC
Bergen builds Warrior, Worker started.
Reykjavik builds Worker, Warrior started.

10 – 1500BC
Meet the Carthagians, they are up BW, CB, The Wheel and Masonry.

After Action Report:
Two Settlers in place to found locations.

There is a Barb moving North of Stockholm.

 

[dmanakho]

Got it!!!
Let's discuss short term goals..
I am planning to play tonight since my friday and saturday are quite occupied by family stuff.

EDIT: Mongols have writing, they must have found it in barbarian hut. How many turns to we have left until CoL is researched? I doubt Philosophy will be mongol's No1 priority so we still should have a good chance to get free republic.

 

[Wotan]

IIRC, CoL is due in 5 turns. And, Carthagians have it too.

 

[dmanakho]

10 – 1500BC
Meet the Carthagians, they are up BW, CB, The Wheel and Masonry.

That is what you stated. I don't see CoL there, I don't even see writing and it was on your 10th turn.... Confirm please...
I can't believe someone can have CoL on monarch game so early in the game.

 

[WackenOpenAir]

I think he means carthage has writing too. He said they are up those other techs, probably meaning that they have everything we have as well as the mentioned techs. That includes writing.
Still, philo is not a favorite research for them, with 2 AI knowing writing, i think we still have over 50% chance to get philo first.

 

[Wotan]

Yes, Wacken interpreted my somewhat ambiguous statement correctly. Carthagians have writing too. And we will have CoL in 5 turns or 4?

 

[grahamiam]

Well, maybe now! I challenged WoA on a pbem.

Gozpel, I hope you are not misunderstanding the comments i made. I do not think any bad about you or your game. I have send you mail and accept the challenge.

i see you both double-posted after these boisterous claims. seems there's a bit of mutual jitters.

btw, look me up for your CIV China game

 

[WackenOpenAir]

I have already opened an SG thread for CIV4.

I am at work, so no game is created yet, but you guys can start signing up to it.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=141567

 

[dmanakho]

Ok... i am ready to play...

I reckon objective is the same - keep pumping settlers and research towards Philosophy.
You have about 30 minutes to prevent me from messing up the game

 

[Xevious]

I tried to go to the Civ IV sg thread and I get an error. Anyone else having trouble?

 

[Offa]

I had trouble with the civ 4 link too; I tried to post there and got errors.

WOA and Gozpel, good luck to the pair of you on your PBEM! Any chance of posting spoilers for me to follow? Perhaps you could use the rather bad tempered CDZ site.

We certainly have had a lot of spam on this thread so far , but the game seems to be going very nicely. At some point India is going to have to be given all of the towns we have built so far, while we relocate far away.

 

[dmanakho]

@Xevious. Same here. I think forum was town for some time. Try again.


Well, i played my turns. so if i messed up it is all your fault
link to save file

Pre-turn: As usually have to clean all this mess Wotan has left. (Okay just kidding... but shouldn't i have a right to pick at a team mate as everyone else seems to be doing here)


T1. 1475BC. Trondheim settler->settler; stockholm worker->barracks; Aarhus is founded -> warrior. Raided barb hut for 25G; Stavanger is founded, due to lack of food start directly with barracks; science slider down to 70%. CoL in 3 turns.

T2. 1450BC. Killed wondering barbarian and warrior is promoted

T3. 1425BC. Bergen worker->barracks. Copenhagen granary->settler; Birka worker->barracks

T4. 1400BC. CoL comes. Philo in 7 turns at full speed. Reykjavik warrior->barracks.

T5. 1375BC. Just keep exploring

T6. 1350BC. Trodheim settler->settler. Meet Ottomans. They are up with the same set of techs. I am waiting for Philo to be researched don't want to trade CoL just yet. We will get all the missing techs in one trade turn

T7. 1325BC. Nothing, but exploring

T8. 1300BC. I decided to find next city on top of dyes to make hookup faster so Settler just arrived there.

T9. 1275BC Odense is founded started on Worker. Science slider down to 80%. Philo in 2 turns.

IBT: Get forbidden palace message.

T10. 1250BC Trodheim settler->settler. We might have just almost enough settlers for now. We have 3 settler in route and not much space left. Might need to build few more workers and then start working on infrastructure. I have workers that roading to hook up luxes everybody else is busy with domestic stuff.


Post Turn: It was very tempting to play one more turn but i will let next person to find out whether we have philosophy or not. Looks like timeline wise we will get republic same time as Klarius did which is good. I suggest we trade our techs around and get everything we can. Next tech i suggest we research - literature to get couple of libraries going for fast research and GrLlib. Also, need to start thinking on where to place FP.

 

[Offa]

I think it is me again. Too late tonight though, and a big party tommorrow so it won't be until the weekend.

So guys what do you think?

Republic, revolt, 9 turns , start on lit sounds good.
Where should the next towns go?

I reckon lots of tech trading is in order; any particular ideas: the last time I looked at the real COTM site (several games ago now I'm afraid) it seemed some people had nailed a method to selectively gift stuff to speed up entry into the middle ages.

 

[WackenOpenAir]

Sorry if i sound like a repeating record but, : We need more workers

We must very urgently bring water to stavanger and remove that filthy rainforest near Odense.

Waiting untill the weekend is nice. I will get back on details before that. For now i am gonna be busy with some different things and our civ4 treat.

 

[dmanakho]

Republic, revolt, 9 turns .

You kidding right??? i won't survive another 9 turns in anarchy

I was sending settlers in to general jungle area.. I trust you Offa to pick up locations.
One settler can be moved and placed north from Stavanger to block Hannibal.

Agreed on workers. Our capital and two more cities with granaries can start pumping workers instead of settlers until we have enough

 

[dmanakho]

Sorry double post, but i wanted to invite everyone to a parallel SG

Everyone who has time can play 1st 50 turns, best start will be used to continue this game as regular SG.
Please do write up as detailed as possible so others can learn and prepare to argue why your game is the only one worthy to continue.

Catherine, Bride of Wacken

 

[WackenOpenAir]

First there is something i have forgotten: If we build the FP and then lose it, is it rebuildable ?

We must soon build the FP. We must also decide how and where to build it.

I think there might be a decent chance that India has not yet met anyone. We should have embassies with the other 3 soon so that we can see if they met. If they didn't met now, we should easilly be able to prevent them from meeting in the future.

If India has not yet met, we can expect them never to meet anyone and we can go to modern age. This would mean that we can use our empire for a very long time before gifting. We should then simply concentrate only on whats best for our empire's research.
If they did meet, they might be at education too early and we should start thinking about the gifting in our decision on the FP.

We are settling totally corrupt towns now. Depending on our FP decision, it is probably best to stop settler production right now, turn the settler factory in a worker factory and focus the rest of our empire on millitary.
We should trade technologies to see if we have horses or iron.

We can change the aarhus build to worker now. We are gonna be producing veterans in a minute and i don't think we have any use for a regular warrior.

1 worker from aarhus and the capital being worker factory seems like enough.

Needless to say, those luxes must be connected asap.

 

[Xevious]

While we can't make peace with India, there's nothing that says we can't check what they would give for it. Since we have writing, we can find out whether or not they know any of our contacts.