SGOTM 9 - Wacken

[WackenOpenAir]

Hurry? Oh yes, we are always in a hurry....Well, not in a hurry to complete this though. Take your time Wotan and just make it.

Hey Wacken, I started the game quite early, but got stuck up with stuff (back problems and teenage duaghter problems) And then this damn X.mas preiod, that just drives me crazy.

So I won't be able to finish the SID-game, I only have a save for 1000BC and it's about 29 towns with 48 pop, some 15 workers and all contacts. (edit - I have 4 settlers to go to, where to?)

Someone will have to make a map for us to make it equal, mate.

Too bad to hear about your problems. Hope you will get trough.

Oh, well, i am gonna finish this SID game, you will see the results soon. I have much less cities, but more pop and a massive army of swords at 1000BC

 

[Wotan]

Short interim report:
Have not been able to finish yet. Will do tomorrow morning. We are at 630AD, have entered the IA. I have gifted Otto into IA, They recieved Medicine but would not part with it for anything worth accepting. I have gifted a newly founded city on the small island to them (we own two locations there) and will DoW them to take their northern capital. We should be able to get Medicine in a peace deal later. Have started to land forces in Spain. They move south towards Celt territory.

 

[Wotan]

Turn log

0 – 550AD
Some Worker actions and MMing.

1 – 560AD
Carthage builds Settler, Settler started.
Bergen builds Knight, Galleon started.
Karasjok builds Aqueduct, Galleon started.
Batsfjord builds Settler, Settler started.

2 – 570AD
Trondheim builds Newton’s, Settler started.
Copenhagen builds Settler, Galleon started.
Oslo builds Knight, Knight started.
Birka builds Knight, Knight started.
Odense builds Marketplace, Courthouse started.
Lillehammer builds Worker, Worker started.

3 – 580AD
Trondheim builds Settler, Harbour started.
Stockholm builds University, Settler started.
Iznik builds Worker, Galleon started.
Aarhus builds University, Galleon started.
Bodö builds Marketplace, Knight started.
Traded Engineering for 119 gold and 30gpt from Spain.
Established an Embassy with America. They are at war with India!!!???

IBT: Celt Archer/Settler land on “eastern island”.

4 – 590AD
Metallurgy researched, Banking started.
Trondheim builds Harbour, Knight started.
Bergen builds Frigate, Frigate started.
Reykjavik builds Knight, Knight started.
Celt Archer killed.

5 – 600AD
Copenhagen builds Galleon, Galleon started.
Stockholm builds Settler, Knight started.
Hippo builds Galleon, Galleon started.
Alesund builds Galleon, Galleon started.


6 – 610AD
Oslo builds Knight, Knight started.
Birka builds Knight, Knight started.
Aarhus builds Knight, Knight started.
Sabratha builds Galleon, Galleon started.
Vadso founded, Barracks started.
Karakorum falls, Barracks started.

7 – 620AD
Trondheim builds Knight, Knight started.
Bergen builds Frigate, Knight started.
Stavanger builds Courthouse, Marketplace started.

8 – 630AD
Banking researched, gifted Ottomans into IA, they received Medicine so we start researching Steam Power.
Copenhagen builds Galleon, Knight started.
Gift New Aarhus to Ottomans and move forces towards Izmit.

9 – 640AD
Reykjavik builds Knight, Knight started.
Birka builds Knight, Knight started.
Iznik builds Galleon, Galleon started.
Karasjok builds Galleon, Knight started.
Vadso builds Aqueduct, Barracks started.
DoW Ottomans, capture Iznik.

IBT: Redlined Ottoman Archer kills redlined Knight…

10 – 150BC
Trondheim builds Knight, Knight started.
Oslo builds Knight, Knight started.
Stockholm builds Knight, Knight started.
Aarhus builds Knight, Knight started.
Odense builds Courthouse, University started.
Bodö builds Knight, Knight started.
Killed the Ottoman Archer.

After Action Report:
Spain is on an island so I have begun to extract units landed there and debark them in Celt territory. One Amy can land on Iron mountain next turn. The second amy should be able to embark next turn unless the Spaniards deny it access to embarkation.

Have started to use Thunderfall as embarkation site for transport across the ocean.

Ottomans have New Aarhus as their remaining location. They have Medicine and Music Theory. We should be able to get Medicine in a peace deal. And keep them around until Modern Age for a final “free tech”.

Steam Power in two turns.

Dman is up!

 

[dmanakho]

I've only now noticed Wotan has played...
So i am up and will play before New Year

I will have to study the save and the thread... we took a long pause and i was away from civfanatic's affairs. . Alternatively, you can just tell me few points on what you think is best to do next and i will decide whether i should argue for or against it.

 

[Offa]

So I won't be able to finish the SID-game, I only have a save for 1000BC and it's about 29 towns with 48 pop, some 15 workers and all contacts. (edit - I have 4 settlers to go to, where to?)

Great start Gozpel. I had an embarassing 10 towns, and hadn't even learned mapmaking to get off the start island. I think I should have given up ( especially as the game was very slow) but felt strangely impelled to complete an iffy game.

 

[dmanakho]

Ok, i see no comments... be prepared for the troubles then, I am playing tonight

 

[Wotan]

Landing in Celt territory and starting to reduce them is the main concer. Not much to discuss I guess. Good luck.

 

[dmanakho]

link to save

pre-turn:switch Vadso from barracks to market.... Hired few specialists in corrupted cities.

IBT: Celtic longbow kills our knight.

T1. 660AD. Resistance in Izmit ended. Celts upgraded pikes to musketmen. vet. Knight killed longbow and promoted to elite. Landed first army on celtic land.

IBT. Celtic knight attacks our army and dies. We can build iron works . Celts built Bach's

T2. 670AD. We can build Iron works in Birka. Cool... Richborough captured with no losses.
Sieging of Philadelphia (belongs to Celts) failed. I lost 4 knights to 2 reg pikes.
Started research on Industrialization in 4 turns at 80%. Doesn't feel right to waste our Golden Ages researching MTs.\

IBT. Our knight kills 2 attacking celtic knights but dies when 3rd attacks him. Celts finished Knights Templar.

T3. 680AD. Philadelphia captured - no losses. More knights arrived on celtic land. Iron Works will be finished in Birka in 11 turns.

IBT. Celts moved 4 MDIS on top of mountain next to captured Richborough. I am afraid to attack them on the mountains.

T4 690AD. Trying to figure out ship hops across the ocean now that we have a foot hold on Celtic land.

T5. 700AD. Eboracum captured. Agedincum captured lost only 2 knights. Making peace with Ottomans. Give them Steam in exchange of medicine + 30gpt. Military rail is completed. Have bunch of workers ready to improve our core.

IBT. Massive attack from celts. lost 3 knights killed none.

T6. 710AD Industrialization came switched to Electricity. Killed bunch of celtic troops.

IBT. Deal expired with spain. will renew. Celt knight attacks and dies.

T7. 720AD. I have to renegotiate luxury deal with Spain our cities are going to riot. I bought furs and gems+64gold+6gpt for Gunpowder+banking+incense+dyes. t looks like Celts use american land to sneak attack us. I made a deal with Lincoln and signed MA against Celts. Move an army and knights to the next Celtic city. Short-rushed factory in Trodheim.

T8. 730AD. Camulodunum captured along with Knights Templar. Celts had only chance to build one. Miraclously we haven't lost a single unit although every single knight was used. New molde is Founded. Move couple of knights on celtic iron.

IBT. Resistanse ended in couple of captured celtic cities. Spain built Sistine.

T9. 740AD. Started factory in Reikjavik. New Alesund is founded. Finally... single elite attack this turn and leader is born. Built another army.

IBT. I am really mad. Camulodunum deposed. Good news i just moved armies and healed knights out of that cities, but we lost 6 wounded knights

IBT: Our Golden ages ended.

T10. 750AD. Recaptured Camulodunum. Captured Verulanum. Georgovia should fall next turn.
Moved stack of knights near Gergovia. It looks like i forgot to look after sci. slider. Turn it all the way back to 10%. Electicity comes next turn. (it would be 2 turns if i put it to 0%)

Post turn: Ship hopping is established from Thunderfall to Philadelphia. Celts are not going to be an issue but the end of next player's turn. We have 3 settlers in Celt's land to populate it. Sorry about forgetting the tech. slider. Haven't played Civilization in quite a while, getting rusty. Please switch Karasjok from MDI to something more apropriate, it was a default build this last turn and i forgot to change.

P.S. Put tech slider back to 10%.... i really messed it up

 

[dmanakho]

oh... and something else,

HAPPY NEW YEAR MATES!!!!
Have fun at new year's

Wish everyone the best in the coming 2006!!!!! Have few drinks for me at midnight, would you?

 

[Offa]

Ok it's my turn.

I have opened the save and bumped science to 10%.

America is at war with India. I didn't think those guys were supposed to know one another, or did I miss something.

I am afraid I didn't notice the save until late tonight, as I am going away for a couple of days now for new year so I won't get to play until Tuesday at the earliest. Clearing my head of the Sid game nonsense and my increasingly frustrating efforts at civ4 will be good anyway.

Do we sidetrack to MT or not: it would make the rest of the conquest phase a lot easier.

 

[WackenOpenAir]

I didn't look at the last save and i can't do so now.

How is our research doing, do we need a lot more ground for ICS or are we fine ? If we don't need much more, conquest is not a priority and we should IMO not do MT.
If we do need a lot more, i am still in doubt if we should get MT.

Does anyone else than America know India ?
i don't think it will be a big problem.

Having abandoned cotm19 feels good. Looking at other peoples results, it still feels like a moral win for me anyway
I havent touched civ4 in weeks and i probably wont in months

Happy newyear guys.

 

[Gyathaar]

America is at war with India. I didn't think those guys were supposed to know one another, or did I miss something.

No.. I missed something and screwed up when I made the C3C saves...
I managed to put america and india in locked war by accident.
We decided to let the individual teams know if/when they discovered it.

 

[Offa]

Thanks for the info Gyathaar. If they are in locked war, can they trade the contact?

WOA I am pleased you are enjoying your moral win in cotm19 .

 

[dmanakho]

I doubt we need to lose 4 turns researching MT. so i vote "No"
We have 3 knight armies. That should be sufficient to get rid of all opponents fast. With factories and Iron works we will produce enough knights to kill'm all without worries.

We can do 4 turn research for now. But i am not sure if we will fit in 4 turns researching those 2 expensive technologies that lead to Hoovers.

However, if we ICS Celts land (we already have 3 extra setlers there and couple to ship from our land) we should make it happen.

Oh.... I agree with Offa. Let's make little break for New Years celebration.
But after that we will have to accelerate our game a little. We are at the tail of this competition first time ever.

 

[Xevious]

But that's what we wanted right? We didn't want to lead the pack this time. I agree with skipping MT, thats 4 turns we can save. I have to say I too abandoned COTM19, though probably much sooner than you guys did. I had my hands full handling a few invading forces (a very few) and just lost interest after that. I have been playing Civ4 a lot lately, still having trouble getting the hang of it. Still haven't played a game to completion yet.

 

[Offa]

I got back late last night and played this into the early hours:

750ad
Science to 10%.
MM to remove unnecessary scientists: a drag as they will be needed next turn.

Ibt Celts and Spain sign peace

760ad
Electricity researched: start the Corporation as it is easy at 4 turns.
Trondheim finishes factory and starts a bank: later switched to Adam Smith.

Attack Gergovia:
Vet knight redlines but kills a pike.
Vet knight dies v pike which relines then promotes to 2/4.
Vet knights dies attacking the 2/4 pike.
Vet knight kills longbow.
Elite knight (Metalhead) kills ¼ pike and captures the town.

Vet knight advances to fog and kills a vet knight outside Alesia (size 11, top defender a vet musket) capturing 2 workers.

New Bodo founded in Celtic lands.

Ibt
Celts lose a vet pike to America (I presume), and a longbow emerges from Alesia to die attacking one of our knights.

770ad
I rush a barracks in New Bodo to simplify troop healing in Celtic lands.
New Karasjok founded.

Feeling generous I give the Ottomans industrialization for economics, music, navigation 80g and 70gpt.

790ad
Knight army kills vet musket in Alesia, reducing to 8/14hp.
Other army pillages Celtic iron so they now have neither iron nor salt.

Ibt Celtic longbow from Alesia dies attacking a knight.

790ad
Corporation finished. Start Scientific method (4turns at 80%).
Iron Works completed: start a factory.

Knight army kills vet musket in Alesia, reducing to 6/13.

New Vadso on Celtic coast.

800ad


Attack v Alesia:
Another army kills a reg musket in Alesia, this time without loss. It then kills a vet spear.
Elite knight retreats from vet spear
Elite knight dies attacking 2/4 spear.
Vet knight kills ¼ spear and the town.

4/5 elite knight kills longbow in open.

810ad
Move units out of Alesia, and towards Entremont.

Ibt
Celtic longbow dies attacking an elite knight.
Alesia flips: no one inside though

830ad
Retake Alesia (one vet knight kills a spear).

Attack Entremont:
Knight army kills vet pike and reduces to 10/14hp.
Same army kills another vet pike and falls to 9/14.

840ad
Kill a Celtic longbow that landed on the little Ottoman island.

Attack Entremont:
Army kills vet pike but falls to 8/14.

Sci Method arrives.
Switch to rep parts: due in 4 with a lot of new scientists.

Ibt
Vecuronium flips (undefended)

850ad
Various worker builds deplete the scientists and rep parts slips to 4 turns again
Retake Vecuronium with 2 elite knights defeating 2 spears.

Attack Entremont:
Army kills reg musket and falls to 11/13.
Same army attacks reg pike and falls to 4/13.
Vet knight kills reg pike.
Vet knight dies v reg pike
Metalhead kills a vet spear.
Vet knight retreats from vet spear.
Vet knight kills a reg spear.
Vet knight kills ¼ pike and takes the city.
There are a few expired Wonders there but also Bach and SunTze.

Recruit more scientists and get back to 3 turns to rep parts.
Birka finishes factory and starts Leo’s (due in 8 turns): this can be switched of course: it is up to 75 shields: and could pump knights every turn instead.

Basically I have continued to chisel away at the Celts, trying not to risk many troops. We have kept on 4 turn research but this will get tougher with pricier techs.

At some point (?after flight ?sooner) we need to start killing Indian defenders to free Gandhi some production to build a galley. I doubt if he will ever do it otherwise. In a vaguely similar position in my Sid game the Zulu never built a single galley as far as I can tell.

If they capture a city with improvemnts they haven't discovered yet will these automatically be lost: if so we need them to capture the Library early on.

 

[Offa]

Hello, Is there anybody there?

BTW, I just read the maintenance site: apparently we can gift the indians a wonderless lakeside city if they haven't budged by the onset of modern times.

 

[Xevious]

Yes, that was brought up a while back (WOA I think). At the time Birka looked like a good city to do that in, but it has wonders now, so we need to figure out where we're going to put one and get it built up soon.

 

[WackenOpenAir]

Gozpel are you still there?
How are you doing ?

 

[dmanakho]

It has been 2 days... do we want to skip Gozpel?