SGOTM2 Germany - Team Ankka

[King Alexander]

@mabellino: believe me, I'd really want to help you, but, I can't "open" any save, since my computer at home is "dead". Maybe it'll be fixed soon, maybe not; that's why I think it's better for the team to move on. You're all good players; mabellino, soon you'll achieve some other type of victory than your previous one's!

I'll be watching the Team's progress; I won't "leave" you.

Maybe in the future I'll have the opportunity to play again with all of you.

 

[Karasu]

Bad luck, King!

@Team, do you think you'll have problems wiht a shorter roster?

 

[Ankka]

I think we'll manage, as the game is near to end, If Ivan gets his planning done again after my messing up.

 

[I. Larkin]

I think we'll manage, as the game is near to end, If Ivan gets his planning done again after my messing up.

Exactly. I guarnty win in 30 turns (1170 AD) and if Mabellino and Ankka will play good (better, then before) in 21 turns (1080 AD).

 

[I. Larkin]

Here is the save. Sorry, if I will not finish turnlog today.
Ivan.

 

[I. Larkin]

Congatulations! We at least get out of last position at SG2 (our line intersect Alamo graph).

With FP situation changed from good to excelent and I have no doubt that game will be over in 21-27 turns. May I suggest that Mabellino and Ankka (if Alex skip) will play 9 turns each? Our "home" AIs have 4 Cities only and we can eliminate them in 1 turn (just to bring knights at the position). Don't know what the best moment to do that (they pay gpt to us, but we need their land). I think turn 10-12 will be optimal, but defenitly not later then 1000 AD. We are making now 411 gpt and in 20 turns we may rush 2030 shields for impouvments. (Libs, Temples, Harbors, Aqueducts, Markerplases, Cathidrals ). We also may disband Catapults, non-elite swords, some reg Spears and Picks. The question is how many impouvments we want and what order of rush. Try to work out best plan for that, but too many Cities we have...

 

[I. Larkin]

00 Each turn I mcm Moscow for food surplus> 10 and rush Settlers each second turn until factory close.
I trade WM each turn.
Pre-play plan. (Very ambitious): 1) To finish war with Russians ASAP with best possible result. 2) Eliminate French (or at least drive them to the Sea.) 3) Break through Englis and capture Norwich and Leeds. 4) Settle NW and N Island and launch “D” day. Main problem is where to get Gold (to upgrade, to rush…)
0 750 AD Pre-turn: most difficult – where troops are? What to do next? What plan Ankka had and had he any? Anyhow…
Lux to 10%. Circulate over Cities and hire 1 Scientist. Invention 8 turns… (very funny).
Now make 161 gpt. Production changed mainly to Libs and Harbors. Rush harbors in Dortmund and New Leipzig, take loan from Lis (WM+85g for WM+5gpt) rush Aqueduct in Stuttgart. Send Knight and Elite horse from Kiev to Tbilisi. Send Knights from Kiev to Moscow to attack Sverdlovsk next turn. Also send elite spear to Sverdlovsk (fishing for GL). Upgrade reg horse in Lyon. (War with French next turn). In a view of war with English send Rheims Catapults to London. Kill spear in Vladivostok. Cover workers with Minsk spear. (Russian spear nearby) Send Pick from Frankfurt to cover Frankfurt’s workers. Move Sptb archer and Smolensk horse toward to Odessa.
IBT
Barbs attack at N Island. Pick promote to elite with no HP lost. Russian archers get back to sverdlovsk. Spear/Settler move North.

1 760
Capture Vladivostok. Capture Sverdlovsk. Elite spear dies vs archer. Knights won with some casualties but without loses. Knight attack spear in Odessa, won, yellow lined jump to our archer. Fortify horse where it is. Send spera toward to Yakutsk to “defend” 2 Cities.
Declare war to French and enter to district of Marssiell and Besancon.
Upgrade 2 horses in Lyons.
IBT
Chinese ask for peace. But don’t want to give any substantial. Decline.
Russians ask for Peace. Decline. Archer from Odessa killed our Knight.
French Galley sail near New Heidelberg. Tokyo Build Sun Tzu. Mao cascade to Leo.
2 770 AD
Bombard Marssiell and Besancon. Marssiell defended by 3 reg spears Cats took 1 HP from each. Reg Knight retreat. Besancon defend by 2 reg spears. All Cats hit! 1 Horse retreats, another won. Spear dies, French spear promote. Send Pick to (cover-attack),
Send knights to Marssiell. All French Cities virtually undefended. (Though elite swords nearby). Capture Sevastopol. Kill archer. Ask about peace. Cathy gives 1 City and 10 g+5gpt. Decided to take. Chose Novgorod because Krasnoyarsk easer to attack later.
Ask India and China about Peace. They pay 63g +8gpt and 18 g+5gpt. They have more, but don’t want to give more. Trade Engineering to India for 27 gpt. Mao pays only 7 gpt for Chivalry (have no more) Decline. Pull knights to England. Founded New Cologne (N Island).
IBT
London riot, Nuremberg riots. Kiev WLPD. French galley sails to Orleans. Archer appear near Lyons.
Cathy ask to remove troops. I agree.
3 780 AD
I really underestimate French. Elite sword killed archer near Lyons, but Marssiell and Besancon still French! Horse redlined, Pick dies, one Knight dies. Only Cats bombard good. 4 catapults arrive London. Decided to close Moscow Settler Factory. Change Tbilisi to settler (It is miles to build aqueduct).
IBT
English archers move. Barb attack Galley (but Settler/Pick unloaded) Our Galley won. Saltsburg riots. WLKD in Kiev ends.
4 790 AD
Check Nottingham (reg Pick) and Hastings (reg spear). Good. Desided to declare English when sort out French. Capture Marseille. (Knight promote to Elite.) Two elite swords arrive to Besancon. Regroup cats Swords to attack Rouen.
IBT
Engish ask to remove troops. Yes-yes…
5 800 AD
Capture Besancon. Decided to make false peace with French. Demand Orlean and worker. Trade other two for WM and 26 gold. Since it is last turn of our clean reputation I ask last loan from Lis (WM+51 g for WM and 3 gpt). Bring troops to Rouen. Put pick to Orleans. Elite Pick got 50 gold from g-htt.
IBT
French ask to remove. I declare. Marseil and Rheims riot.
6 810 AD
Capture Ruoen. French still alive (on Galley). English is next target. Concentrate Knights in London. And around Grenobl.
IBT
Rouen and London riot. French Galley sail around east point. Barbarians galleys sail.
Mao finish Leo’s workshop.
7 820 AD
Declare war to English and capture Hastings. 3 Knights lost 1 hp each. Found New Bremen.
IBT
Liverpool riots. Discover Invention. China and India sign Peace treaty. (They change Invention-Chivalry as a result.)
8 830
Bombard and capture Nottingham. 2 Knights kill Pick and spear and elite spear killed archer. Very simple. Capital jump to Brighton. Since many knights left free advanced to Brighton. 2 vet Knights die against non-fortified English sword in open ground!!! Third kill and promote to elite. Pull troops forward… Decided to launch “D” day… It needs lot of calculus. We have 921 gold but need lot of Libs…

 

[Ankka]

Nice job, Ivan.


Go for it Mabellino!

I must apologise and say that I will be away the next week, like it says in my sig. So you'll have to complete it on your own. Unless you want a long wait...

 

[mabellino]

@ Ivan
Have you used Mapstat yet? It might help with your calculations. I can also have a go if you need any help.

@Ankka
Shame! You're going to miss all the glory! I could play my turns tonight if we get a plan agreed and that could mean you will be able to play tomorrow then Ivan can lead us to victory!

I'll look at the save when I get home (in approx 5 hours) and post any suggestions...

Great job Ivan! we'd be lost without you!

 

[Ankka]

I will be gone tomorrow. And no time today, I think. And I think the glory goes to you three more than me, I have played only three sets of turns due to skips.

 

[I. Larkin]

@ Ivan
1) Have you used Mapstat yet? It might help with your calculations. I can also have a go if you need any help.

2)I'll look at the save when I get home (in approx 5 hours) and post any suggestions...

1) No. Actually we need to know areas of each continent. Also, I am not sure about conditions: Do we have to have 66% of Total land (known and unknown) or 66% of "land covered by culture borders" from all civs?
2) Yes, please. I'd like to finish it ASAP, and we can combine Libs+Temple+Cathidral, but 411 gpt not so big income to build them in all 37 tiles cities. Also we can settle in between to patch "culture holes" in the middle of continent it is cheaper, then temple. (again problem : where.
Since only 2 of us left in roster let's discuss things to play consistently.

 

[I. Larkin]

Here is my suggestion... but how fast we can do it?

 

[I. Larkin]

Continued… 830 AD
Have 921 gold but needs lot of Libs…
Disband reg Pick in Dover (Lib next turn) Disband reg Pick in New Hanover, rush lib, rush libs in Vladivostok, New Heidelberg, Marseille, Rouen, New Cologne. Take G-htt: barbarians… move knight to East point to observe French Galley.
Put Hastings Knight on Galley… Send Catapults to Nuremberg to bombard French Galley when it sail by...
IBT
Palace improved. Pick at N Island win vs barb. Canterbury and Moscow riot.
9 840.
Move Pick to Brighton. It defend by Reg Pick. Attack with vet Knight, won. Reg spear… 4/5 Knight retreats. Elite horse won, take Brighton and got GL. Great. It takes 3 turn to Sptburg and 2 turns to Canterbury. Decided Canterbury. It riots, however. Switch to settler. Move troops toward to Warwick, Norwich and Avignon.
IBT
Nothing.
10 850 AD
Rush FP in Canterbury. Rush libs in Hastings and Brighton. Capture Avignon. Prepare to siege Warwick, Norwich.
IBT
English want peace. Next turn, OK? French want peace...
11 860 AD
Capture Warwick and Norwich. Make peace with English. She gives 2 workers, Leeds, 10 gold+7gpt, WM. Micromanage Cities and now make 411gpt. Great. Disband some troops in Nottingham (lib), Chartress (harbor), rush libs in Avingon and New Hamburg (mistake…). Kill French Galley. No French anymore...
That’s it…

 

[I. Larkin]

Situation is: we have fifteen 37 tiles Cities that need 100 Culture points:
New Cologne 9
New Hanover 9
Dortmund 9
Dover 9
Coventry 9
Norwich 0
Brighton 3
Nottingham 0 (Lib next turn)
Hastings 6
Avingon 0 (Lib next turn)
Rouen 9
Marseille 9
New Berlin 15
New Heidelberg 9
Vladivostok 9.
Our income permits to rush 2 temples per turn or 5/8 Cathedral per turn. We may disband some troops, also.

 

[mabellino]

I assume the numbers refer to culture per turn? or is it total culture accumulated? I hope it's the former!
I'm going to have a long think before I play my turns, don't want to mess up and it would be nice to be able to contribute to our war plan! Is it ok if I delay playing my turn till saturday? I'll post some more thoughts tomorrow during my lunch break!
Excellent that we finally got another GL! That FP will sure make a difference!
I'm also going to practice using Mapstat until I know exactly what we can gain from it.
Thanks again Ivan for all your hard work, I'm sure I'd have lost this game if I'd been playing it on my own.

@Ankka and King Alex
Hope you're still following this thread.... if you really want us to, I'm sure we can delay victory until you're both back/computers fixed etc... as long as you don't make us wait too long! I sense Ivan's growing impatience! joke!

Night folks... it's sleepy time in Blighty

 

[I. Larkin]

Mabellino, please, do not play until our plan to finish game will be work out!
Figures is after Cities is culture accumulated. My preplan is (for rush order)
Plan for
fifteen 37 tiles Cities that needs 100 Culture points:
New Cologne 9 temple (4) ->harbor
New Hanover 9 temple (2 disb spear) ->harbor
Dortmund 9 temple (1 disb sword) -> Settler
Dover 9 temple (1 disd cat) ->catapult(?)
Coventry 9 temple (4)-> worker
Norwich 0 Lib (5) Temple (x) Cath (y)
Brighton 3 temple (x) Cath (y)
Nottingham 0 (Lib next turn) Temple (x) Cath(y)
Hastings 6 Temple (x) Cath (y)
Avingon 0 (Lib next turn) Temple (x) Cath (y)
Rouen 9 Temple (3) -> worker
Marseille 9 Temple (5) -> worker
New Berlin 15 Temple (6 disb something …) ->harbor
New Heidelberg 9 Temple (2 disb spear) ->harbor
Vladivostok 9 Temple (3 disd pick)->harbor
Figure in brackets is turn number (your turns) to rush.

 

[I. Larkin]

New Cologne 9 temple (4) ->harbor
New Hanover 9 temple (2) ->harbor
Dortmund 9 temple (1 disb sword) -> Settler
Dover 9 temple (1 disd cat) ->catapult(?)
Coventry 9 temple (5 or 4)-> worker
Norwich 0 Lib (4) Temple (6 disband cats) Cath (9) 3(5); 30(10)
Brighton 3 Temple (8 disb cats) Cath (14) 18(5); 37(10)
Nottingham 0 (Lib next turn) Temple (7) Cath(13) 15(5); 36(10)
Hastings 6 Temple (8 disd something…) Cath (15) 21(5); 39(10)
Avingon 0 (Lib next turn) Temple (7) Cath (13) 15(5); 36(10)
Rouen 9 Temple (3) -> worker
Marseille 9 Temple (5) -> Cath(17) 24(5); 49(10)
New Berlin 15 Temple (6 disb something …) ->harbor 30(5)
New Heidelberg 9 Temple (2) ->harbor
Vladivostok 9. Temple (3 disd pick)->harbor
It seems to me that it should work. It will give domination at 18-20 turns...
Figures is culture accumulateted after 5 and 10 turns.

 

[I. Larkin]

Better finish with Russians ASAP and disband 6 Knights in their 3 Cities for Libs. And the same with English and use Knights to rush improuvments...
May be it will be faster then 18 turns than...

 

[I. Larkin]

@Mabellino
Simple plan to eliminate Russians. Just bring Elite swords and 1 Pick to A0, 3-4 Knights to A1, and 6 Knights to each A2 and A3. I think it is enough. We may disband knights in Norwich, I think.

 

[I. Larkin]

@Mabellino,
did you run Mapstat? Anyway, I think it is good idea for preturn to disband 2 Knights and vet Pick in Norwich, Lib will appear next turn then. Also, I think it is resonable to cross out Nottingham and Coventry from list of 37 tiles Cities (black line show their 21 format)and build 21 tile City at red circle (or dot). Settler in York exists.