SGOTM5 - Team Smackster

[dmanakho]

With the final grassland mined we will generate 10 shields wo using any 1 fpt tiles.

Don't have Civ to check, but can't we bump Moscow pop and work on 1fpt hill and forest tiles to bump production above 10spt for faster research/build.
don't really believe in this idea myself but how long time does it take to build collossus? may be it will be beneficial after all to get all this extra commerce for the short run instead of producing wealth.

 

[smackster]

By the time we have MM I guess estimate moscow will build galleys in 2-3 turns.
We must have more than one galley (3 at least) for faster exploration even if that means paying for unit support

You may be right, but still we want to shave off every turn we can in getting our galleys out.

 

[smackster]

With the final grassland mined we will generate 10 shields wo using any 1 fpt tiles.


I checked the cost of MM and it is 288 shields according to CivAssist. So, unless we can generate at least 10gpt after lux and unit support we might as well pursue it with a 10% science setting or a scientist.

You mean beakers of course, Wow there are going to be some very quiet turns until then.

 

[smackster]

Don't have Civ to check, but can't we bump Moscow pop and work on 1fpt hill and forest tiles to bump production above 10spt for faster research/build.
don't really believe in this idea myself but how long time does it take to build collossus? may be it will be beneficial after all to get all this extra commerce for the short run instead of producing wealth.

If its 40 turns to get MM then we might as well use those 40 turns for something useful.

 

[dmanakho]

Check the settings then, maybe it will be a better idea to build collosus even before barracks to get extra commerce earlier.

 

[smackster]

Check the settings then, maybe it will be a better idea to build collosus even before barracks to get extra commerce earlier.

I agree, just 200 shields, I'm going to switch. Comments from the rest?

 

[Wotan]

What are your tax rates at these days.

I am almost too embarrassed to say... Income tax: 53-58% on an average income ($30.000) add another 35% of the gross income paid by the employer (also salary you do not recieve, in my book) in social services costs, so for you to recieve $13.500 the employer have to cough up roughly $40.000. And finally 25% sales tax on virtually every thing you use, buy or consume.

 

[Wotan]

Check the settings then, maybe it will be a better idea to build collosus even before barracks to get extra commerce earlier.

Great idea! The income will really make a difference.

 

[Wotan]

I agree, just 200 shields, I'm going to switch. Comments from the rest?

Do not switch right away! The forest "chop" will finish NOW! So if you switch the 10 shields will be wasted.

 

[dmanakho]

Do not switch right away! The forest "chop" will finish NOW!

it won't be possible to switch to wonder after forrest chopping, so barracks will have to be completed 1st.

 

[smackster]

I am almost to embarrassed to say... Income tax: 53-58% on an average income ($30.000) add another 35% of the gross income paid by the employer (also salary you do not recieve, in my book) in social services costs, so for you to recieve $13.500 the employer have to cough up roughly $40.000. And finally 25% sales tax on virtually every thing you use, buy or consume.

That is tough. I have never minded taxing the rich (unless its me), but that high for the average income is hard to justify. Although we have sales tax here in Boston, just across the border in New Hampshire, its 0% sales tax.

 

[smackster]

it won't be possible to switch to wonder after forrest chopping, so barracks will have to be completed 1st.

Got it, but this is certainly a great idea Dman. You get civ star of the day award for that.

 

[Wotan]

That is tough. I have never minded taxing the rich (unless its me), but that high for the average income is hard to justify. Although we have sales tax here in Boston, just across the border in New Hampshire, its 0% sales tax.

Sorry, about my example, the income I used for that tax bracket should be a bit higher, I was thinking in £ not $, so it would be, for an income of approx. $50.000, not $30.000...

 

[dmanakho]

I always knew taxes in Sweden were high, but now I can feel how high they are...
Taxes in US are much lower, but we have other "hidden" fees like medical insurance coverage, individual retirement account, college savings for kids.

For example i am paying almost $400 a month to cover my wife (she is a student and does not work) and son with health insurance while company provides my own coverage.
EDIT: Plus taxes in US are greatly depend on which state you are live in.
Each state has different income taxes brakes and some states don't have income taxes at all. (Texas or Florida).

@Team: Maybe we should switch to Archer or spear to avoid wasting forest shields.. That will give us another MP in moscow and might bring lux slider down a little. We won't really need barracks for a long time and we don't want to pay barracks maintenance while we don't need it.
On regent level we don't need vereran units to fight barbarians if we worry on protecting Moscow borders against them, regulars will do just fine.

 

[Wotan]

Yes, switch to an Archer! Then start building the Colossus.

 

[MjM]

Whew I wake up and we get a new teammate and 35 more posts

I agree with building a archer than collossus , we need that extra cash. Also what is the lux slider at right now?

I will try to play my turns tonight might be doing something if I cant do them tonight I will wake up early and do them tomorrow.\

edit: Sorry , Welcome tomasjj

 

[dmanakho]

@MjM.... Eastern time morning hours is usually the time when Team Smackster discusses all the game related issues .

 

[MjM]

@Smackster - I play Monarch most of the time but started on emperor bout 1 week ago.

 

[smackster]

@Smackster - I play Monarch most of the time but started on emperor bout 1 week ago.

How did those Emporer games go? One area that you may get involved with in this game is serious tech trading, and this is something that is an art in Emporer/Deity games. As we can't research well, our trading has to be perfect to maximise tech and gold.

I suggest for the new guys you both don't hesitate to take a couple of days over your moves (once we get contacts that is) and make sure you are confident about trading with the AI. If unsure at any point, just stop and post, there is usually somebody on-line who can give advice.

smackster

 

[smackster]

Note that we currently have a comfortable lead the Spam laurel, that is one laurel that we take particular pride in