SGOTM5 - Team Smackster
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SGOTM
In Wotan we trust
The somewhat long and wet pubcrawl last night took its toll. Not so much "upstairs" as it did re. attention to female needs... My dear wife wanted some of my attention 
Have played it now and am rather satisfied with the result hope you find it worth waiting for.
Turn log
0 350BC Pre-flight
Dman left a Horseman next to the Barb.Camp? I attack and it disperses. Move all 5 Horsemen in Babylon(Bombay ) towards Calcutta. Bombay to build a Scout. Bought two more Workers from America for WM and 206 gold. I hope to slow down Americas expansion by doing this.
1 330BC
Bombay builds a Scout, Barracks started (prebuild for anything). Archer attack Indian Warrior -> Archer dies, Warrior redlined. Horseman attacks and kills Warrior, promoted to Elite!
IBT: Barb.Horseman attack our Archer near Moscow and dies.
2 310BC
Moscow builds Horseman, Horseman started. China starts building GL and Iroqouis start building pyramids. Battle of Calcutta. Spearman and Warrior killed, 2 Workers from a captured Settler. 1 redlined Horseman retreat after wounding Spearman. Two additional Horsemen wounded but no losses. Elite Horseman attack new Indian Archer near Bombay and Ivan the Terrible steps up to greet the victorious Horseman! Next target is Bangalore since Madras is only size 1 and has no culture. Two Horsemen sent to disconnect Iron.
IBT: Indian Galley appears. Barb.Galley attack our western explorer and dies. Our Galley promotes to Veteran w. 2 HP remaining.
3 290BC
Indians start building GL again? Would have thought they need to focus on military. Indian Galley sunk! Barb.Camp dispersed. Barb.Galley sunk. Another GH discovered in the extreme west.
4 270BC
Moscow builds HM, HM started. Horseman kills Indian Swordsman.
5 250BC
Japanese starts building HG. Iron disconnected.
6 230BC
Moscow builds HM, HM started. Mongols and Indians starts building GL.
7 210BC
Indian Archer killed. GH spotted by western explorer.
IBT: Western explorer sunk by Barb. Galley! Indian Archer attack and kill HM.
8 190BC
Moscow builds HM, HM started. Bangalore falls, no killed HMs, but one retreated and two wounded. Killed Archer outside Delhi, HM promoted to Elite.
9 170BC
Construction researched, Currency started. Hopefully the Scout will pop one of the Governments in a couple of turns.
10 1000BC
Moscow builds HM, HM started. Iroquois starts building HG. Mongols starts building GL. Battle of Delhi, we capture it after some losses. Two HM fall at the gates. Scout lands next to GH!
After action report:
Research: Have changed to Currency. Only one turn yet so no fret if we want to pursue anything else.
India: Important decision to make. I have not taken it on my own but have checked the diplo screen for what Gandhi would offer us. Since they will give us Madras, Karachi, Lahore, Jaipur, WM and 37 gold for Peace the question is rather academic since it will probably be a snowballs chance in hell we will be able to capture those cities since India keep rushing Archers from them . They will just have Kolhapur (new Capital) and Hyderabad left.
Our new Capital: Karach is my suggestion! We build FP in Delhi and jump palace to Mecca when the time comes for it. And then we drop Karachi. So move enough HM to Karachi to make it the new Capital when we abandon Moscow.
Moscow: Building a Horseman every second turn with 16 shields first turn and 14 the second turn. Move a citizen between Fish and forest.
Have been selling WM every turn to anyone prepared to pay at least 1 gold for it and gained enough to put a surplus of 100 gold into our account even though the economy is running at a deficit. Suggest we keep doing this, it is tedious but will gain us 1 gpt from each tribe with gold.
Construction: Since we are the third tribe to get it, it will probably be sold off to the other tribes by Iroquois or Zulu. We can get almost 400 gold from selling it to everyone with at least 20 gold.
Firaxis: 246
Have played it now and am rather satisfied with the result hope you find it worth waiting for.
Turn log
0 350BC Pre-flight
Dman left a Horseman next to the Barb.Camp? I attack and it disperses. Move all 5 Horsemen in Babylon(Bombay
) towards Calcutta. Bombay to build a Scout. Bought two more Workers from America for WM and 206 gold. I hope to slow down Americas expansion by doing this.1 330BC
Bombay builds a Scout, Barracks started (prebuild for anything). Archer attack Indian Warrior -> Archer dies, Warrior redlined. Horseman attacks and kills Warrior, promoted to Elite!
IBT: Barb.Horseman attack our Archer near Moscow and dies.
2 310BC
Moscow builds Horseman, Horseman started. China starts building GL and Iroqouis start building pyramids. Battle of Calcutta. Spearman and Warrior killed, 2 Workers from a captured Settler. 1 redlined Horseman retreat after wounding Spearman. Two additional Horsemen wounded but no losses. Elite Horseman attack new Indian Archer near Bombay and Ivan the Terrible steps up to greet the victorious Horseman! Next target is Bangalore since Madras is only size 1 and has no culture. Two Horsemen sent to disconnect Iron.
IBT: Indian Galley appears. Barb.Galley attack our western explorer and dies. Our Galley promotes to Veteran w. 2 HP remaining.
3 290BC
Indians start building GL again? Would have thought they need to focus on military. Indian Galley sunk! Barb.Camp dispersed. Barb.Galley sunk. Another GH discovered in the extreme west.
4 270BC
Moscow builds HM, HM started. Horseman kills Indian Swordsman.
5 250BC
Japanese starts building HG. Iron disconnected.
6 230BC
Moscow builds HM, HM started. Mongols and Indians starts building GL.
7 210BC
Indian Archer killed. GH spotted by western explorer.
IBT: Western explorer sunk by Barb. Galley! Indian Archer attack and kill HM.
8 190BC
Moscow builds HM, HM started. Bangalore falls, no killed HMs, but one retreated and two wounded. Killed Archer outside Delhi, HM promoted to Elite.
9 170BC
Construction researched, Currency started. Hopefully the Scout will pop one of the Governments in a couple of turns.
10 1000BC
Moscow builds HM, HM started. Iroquois starts building HG. Mongols starts building GL. Battle of Delhi, we capture it after some losses. Two HM fall at the gates. Scout lands next to GH!
After action report:
Research: Have changed to Currency. Only one turn yet so no fret if we want to pursue anything else.
India: Important decision to make. I have not taken it on my own but have checked the diplo screen for what Gandhi would offer us. Since they will give us Madras, Karachi, Lahore, Jaipur, WM and 37 gold for Peace the question is rather academic since it will probably be a snowballs chance in hell we will be able to capture those cities since India keep rushing Archers from them . They will just have Kolhapur (new Capital) and Hyderabad left.
Our new Capital: Karach is my suggestion! We build FP in Delhi and jump palace to Mecca when the time comes for it. And then we drop Karachi. So move enough HM to Karachi to make it the new Capital when we abandon Moscow.
Moscow: Building a Horseman every second turn with 16 shields first turn and 14 the second turn. Move a citizen between Fish and forest.
Have been selling WM every turn to anyone prepared to pay at least 1 gold for it and gained enough to put a surplus of 100 gold into our account even though the economy is running at a deficit. Suggest we keep doing this, it is tedious but will gain us 1 gpt from each tribe with gold.
Construction: Since we are the third tribe to get it, it will probably be sold off to the other tribes by Iroquois or Zulu. We can get almost 400 gold from selling it to everyone with at least 20 gold.
Firaxis: 246
Super!!!! Wotan the Terrible (in good sense of cource ) has produced us Ivan the Terrible 
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Seriously, good job. I didn't expect to have so many Indian cities.
I say it's time for a palace jump.
EDIT: I see a GL on the southern peninsula. Where are you going to send it to? It can't buid neither big nor small wonders, so an Army is pretty much only the use of it.
) has produced us Ivan the Terrible .Seriously, good job. I didn't expect to have so many Indian cities.
I say it's time for a palace jump.
EDIT: I see a GL on the southern peninsula. Where are you going to send it to? It can't buid neither big nor small wonders, so an Army is pretty much only the use of it.
Oh, S**T, the leader. Forgot about him... Should have turned him into an army when Bangalore was captured. Then I might have had a second leader emerge from one of the three elite attacks I did on Delhi...
RE. the Army. Keep it empty until we land in Arabia. With only Galleys we can only move them if the hold a max of one unit. It might also be a plan to hold back until we have Knights...
I only took three cities... But I might take credit for 7 since the peace offering of four additional Indian cities happens during my turns. I just wanted the team to have a say in it. Although it is an offer we cannot refuse. So, Smackster, the first thing to do is to make peace with India and take what they have.
RE. the Army. Keep it empty until we land in Arabia. With only Galleys we can only move them if the hold a max of one unit. It might also be a plan to hold back until we have Knights...
I only took three cities... But I might take credit for 7 since the peace offering of four additional Indian cities happens during my turns. I just wanted the team to have a say in it. Although it is an offer we cannot refuse. So, Smackster, the first thing to do is to make peace with India and take what they have.
smackster
SGOTM
Great turns, I can't believe we got Delhi and Bangalore, was just thinking Calcutta would be nice. The regent AI really is proving to be a regent AI.
Yes the peace deal is right. But what next, assume we want to build for an attack on America. Not sure about Karachi, I mean I just see a mass of jungle there. I know we want to disband that, but how long before we can do that. I see that we can probably build the FP in Delhi pretty quickly. Hmmm, ok will think about this, will play tonight. I'm sure its time to jump either way, we want that FP build starting with minimal corruption.
Can't load it up right now, so will provide more comment later.
smackster
Yes the peace deal is right. But what next, assume we want to build for an attack on America. Not sure about Karachi, I mean I just see a mass of jungle there. I know we want to disband that, but how long before we can do that. I see that we can probably build the FP in Delhi pretty quickly. Hmmm, ok will think about this, will play tonight. I'm sure its time to jump either way, we want that FP build starting with minimal corruption.
Can't load it up right now, so will provide more comment later.
smackster
smackster
SGOTM
What do we think about phoney AI wars. I want to get the main continent fighting to slow their tech pace down. I'd really like to fight most wars against spearmen.
smackster said:
Getting the AI to fight eachother is always nice. Hopefully with so many civs there wont be one or two that turns into a too big threat. I mean, if they gain too much land of the others.
A bit of a bummer that the leader didnt build an army right away, we might have had another one, but then again I guess we should be pleased with how this went anyway.
And any idea where Hyderabad is situated?
JJ
We are fighting a "regent" game so the AI will be a pushover from now on. The major obstacle in this game was to get a beachhead somewhere. And to some extent the number of AIs, a faster tech race than in a game with fewer AIs.smackster said:
Oh, yes we like it!smackster said:
Maybe use the "construction deals" to pay for some of it? Get the low gold AI's to pay for it by DoW's?Next target: America!
@jj: The leader had to wait until we had four cities. I should have moved him to Bombay immediately after Bangalore was taken. But all in all, it was 3 Elite attacks so not the end of the world. I would advocate not loading any units into the army until me are on Arabian soil.
Phony Ais wars will help us... just make sure those wars stay phony wars .
I think the short term plan of action should be:
1. Peace with India.
2. Palace jump (I see major disagreement between Smackster and Wotan on this, so you guys decide between two of you where you want to move it to
).
3. Building infrastructure in new Russian land (mostly barracks) +FP.
4. as soon as we have a little bit of military start expanding again.
We really should fight on both continents simultaneously to achieve maximum effect. It will be especially easy to do once we have FP in Delhi and palace in Mecca. But we should not wait until that happen. This is a regent level we won't need dozens and dozens of units.
EDIT: Our score graph is moving up nicely. So far we are ahead of all the others, BUT.... no major mistakes allowed from now on...
.I think the short term plan of action should be:
1. Peace with India.
2. Palace jump (I see major disagreement between Smackster and Wotan on this, so you guys decide between two of you where you want to move it to
).3. Building infrastructure in new Russian land (mostly barracks) +FP.
4. as soon as we have a little bit of military start expanding again.
We really should fight on both continents simultaneously to achieve maximum effect. It will be especially easy to do once we have FP in Delhi and palace in Mecca. But we should not wait until that happen. This is a regent level we won't need dozens and dozens of units.
EDIT: Our score graph is moving up nicely.
So far we are ahead of all the others, BUT.... no major mistakes allowed from now on...smackster
SGOTM
I'm stuck on the palace jump location, I don't understand the Karachi idea.
Although I realise we are only going to use this new palace until we get Mecca, I do believe that is going to be 20-30 turns minimum, and want those turns to be most productive. So I would sacrifice Calcutta/Bombay for that cause. Because of its proximity to Delhi, I chose Bombay as the capital. With Bombay as capital, Delhi is rank 1, otherwise its rank 2, I don't know if that makes any difference.
So I need the view points from others (not just Wotan) before I act.
My vote is jump to Bombay.
Although I realise we are only going to use this new palace until we get Mecca, I do believe that is going to be 20-30 turns minimum, and want those turns to be most productive. So I would sacrifice Calcutta/Bombay for that cause. Because of its proximity to Delhi, I chose Bombay as the capital. With Bombay as capital, Delhi is rank 1, otherwise its rank 2, I don't know if that makes any difference.
So I need the view points from others (not just Wotan) before I act.
My vote is jump to Bombay.
smackster
SGOTM
Now having looked more, I do want to trade construction. I see that I can also get Monarchy, before I get more cities, how about that trade, revolt to Monarchy and then get the Indian cities. No point palace jumping until we are Monarchy.
I don't really like Karachi is a capital not because of jungles but because it is too far from "better" indian cities and that means we will have city with more corruption than i'd like to see. and it will take much longer to build FP in Delhi if capital located in Karachi vs. Bombay.
i want new capital to be as close to Delhi as possible, i want that FP to be built fast. Bombay works better than karachi for that matter.
As for Monarchy... I am not sure about trading details, but we should revolt before we make peace, since that way we are likely to have less turns in anarchy. But if you can make it the same turn, e.q. trade monarchy, revolt, make peace.
i want new capital to be as close to Delhi as possible, i want that FP to be built fast. Bombay works better than karachi for that matter.
As for Monarchy... I am not sure about trading details, but we should revolt before we make peace, since that way we are likely to have less turns in anarchy. But if you can make it the same turn, e.q. trade monarchy, revolt, make peace.
It seems like Bombay is a good idea for a new temporary capital, and Dehli for the FP.
There will be more production in Bombay from the start compared to Karachi and it also seems to be better placed relativlely to Dehli and the future capital of Mecca.
JJ
There will be more production in Bombay from the start compared to Karachi and it also seems to be better placed relativlely to Dehli and the future capital of Mecca.
JJ
smackster
SGOTM
Well I don't know I'd like to hear from Wotan on Karachi. There is some virtue in keeping the Indian lands largely intact. In the long run, with the FP in Delhi that are can be used for horses/Knights fighting west, with Mecca fighting east. A little bit of short term waste may be worth it over the course of the rest of the game.
My secondary opinion, I can understand the reluctance re. Karachi. It is less productive in the short run. So lets compromise, I would then look at the Calcutta/Bombay pair as an alternative too. Between them Bombay is at distance 5 from Delhi as are Madras and Bangalore. With the FP there and a palace in Mecca all three will be at rank 1 together with the ring around Mecca. Calcutta OTOH is at distance 6! So I guess Calcutta is my choice for interim Palace.smackster said:
But my money is still on a less productive Karachi. I was hoping the jump to Mecca would occur as soon as we have finished the FP in Delhi. Karachi is the location in the Indian core I would be least sorry to lose, that is my main reason for chosing it as a palace site. We are after all sacrificing the palace as soon as the FP is up and running. No reason to use a productive location like Calcutta/Bombay if we can use a dud like "Karachi". And Bombay have horses!
Palace jump values: Calcutta, Delhi:8 Bombay:7 Madras:7 (our citizen)Bangalore:6 Lahore:6(our citizen) Karachi:5 (our citizen) Then add 1 to the value for each unit in the city.
Isn't there a risk India will be less "giving" if we have different governments? If in Anarchy will India give us as many cities in the peace agreement?dmanakho said:
I have checked the trade options and I guess my favourite is with Japan Constr. + 174 gold for Monarchy. then sell Construction to France for 100god+WM, Egypt for 38gold+2workers+WM and to Scandinavia for 47gold+4gpt.
Then sue for peace with India and finally revolt into anarchy. I do not want us to risk a lower offer from India due to differing governments...
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