SGOTM7 - Team Obormot

[IroquoisPlisken]

Got it. Play tomorrow.

I was thinking, for all we know, America could be at war with a lot of people too. Maybe Abe won't hold the vote, and we'll be playing this game for another 100 turns... Does the AI ever not hold the vote?

 

[DBear]

Plisken--to my knowledge, the AI never takes the vote unless it knows it can win. If America doesn't build the UN, then they'll win by space or culture.

 

[markh]

I had a few games I let the AI build the UN as I knew that AI would never call for the vote as it was at war with everybody. But in these games I knew this. Here we do not know whether Abe had wars with the other ones, but anyway in our game it is very, very hard to stop Abe now. Whether he builds the UN or not.

 

[IroquoisPlisken]

Pre-turn – Do some MM and get an extra 2 gpt and shave 2 turns off the sip in…someplace…forget where now…oh well.
We’re at 29% land and 35% pop…there’s still time. <_< America’s no where near winning by Culture (36k out of 100k).

IBT – I see what you mean by teamwork, Dbear…Ankara is bombed and our sword army dies. Then the Vikings come in and capture it. It’s completely surrounded by our culture, though, so it’s easily retaken.

1430 (1) – Denizli musket->sip. Urfa musket->barracks. Found Iskenderun and get coal and furs. Start harbor. I take all units out of Ankara. If America’s going to keep bombing that city, no need to keep units in there to get killed.

IBT – Well, my plan didn’t work that great…Salonika is bombed now, destroying walls, 2 citizens, and injuring troops. Zulu ask for peace. Man, I’d love to, but the higher powers tell us we can’t. Sorry.
Xerxes is caught attempting to plant a spy in Istanbul. Shame on him!
4 Guerillas and 2 Infantry are dropped off next to Ankara…

1435 (2) – Bursa musket->sip. I bomb the American stack with everything on the island, and only 2 trebs hit. 1 Sip is lost taking out the 2 infantry. Take 2 losses reducing the 4 guerillas to 4/5 and 2/4, but I’m out of Sips. Fortify with 5 muskets and 2 sips. They’ll be bombed first, so I’m just making sure there’s enough to defend.

IBT – The mountain that was just railroaded is bombed. -_- Mugla is the one that is attacked. One musket dies, but another wins. Just a redlined guerilla left from that stack. Then Persia lands 2 cavs between Ankara and Salonika.

1440 (3) - Kill all 3 units. Industry due next turn. I load the galleon with the army and prepare to land next turn.

IBT – Whoa! I just noticed the Americans founded Detroit in northern Zulu land. A tank kills a barb then moves south into fog. 2 Tanks are landed by Ankara and Mugla. A Persian cav is landed by Karabuk.
Industry in, start on Nationalism. Mobilization, drafting, police officers, and rifles of course will all come in handy.

1445 (4) – Istanbul market->bank. Calcutta worker->lib. Sinop galleon->galleon. Izmit sip->barracks. Antalya sip->market.
Redline both tanks and kill them, getting an Elite. Kill the tank in the fog then destroy Detroit and get 17 gold with the army. Kill the Persian cav.
Land the Sip army and hope for the best.

IBT – Ankara loses all defenders from bombings, thankfully no Vikings attacked. 2 Arab Cavs land next to the city, though.

1450 (5) – Amazingly, the army captures Baghdad, but is redlined. Unload 4 more sips in the city. There’s another galleon that hasn’t moved. The next person can use it for whatever he likes.

Perhaps we should try to capture Medina with the 4 Sips in Baghdad.

I suggest rushing the harbor in Riza to connect the furs to the mainland.

 

[ThERat]

amazingly this game is still not over yet, maybe we can win by domination by trying to settle all the other land?

I agree with the path, nationalism and the espionage to steal techs.

 

[DBear]

Um, can we steal techs if we don't have embassies with them?

 

[IroquoisPlisken]

Yes. Spies are your friends.

And I agree. Start settling land like crazy. I switched one size 3 city in old Zulu land to settler on my last turn, I think. Maybe rush it after the harbor?

 

[Obormot]

looks like settling is the only hope left for us. I'm sure we can conquer any civs who don't know rep. parts with sips, the toughest part would be defending all the captured land from american tanks. We should transport workers to new islands to build rails quickly, that'll help with the defense. There is no point in keeping units in cities, they'll get killed by bombers, i suggest keeping some cannons and sips in one spot on each island connected by rails to all cities.
BTW, if we eliminate all other civs except america we don't have to be afraid of the UN any more
I hope we still have hope in this game

Markh - up
Obormot - on deck
Adjudicator -
Xothermik -
Rat -
DBear -
Iroquois -

 

[markh]

Got it. I will play in a minute.

 

[markh]

File is uploaded.

End of Iroquois turn : put science up and mm. Nationalism drops to 13

IBT: bombers kill the musketman in Ankara, no other damage
Vikings drop a rifle, MDI and crusader at Ankara
Arabs kill two sips at Baghdad
Lahore builds sipahi -> galleon
Urfa builds barracks -> sipahi

1455AD
sip kills MDI -> promotes to elite
eSip kills rifle
sip kills crusader
sip kills arab cav boarding galleon
ship army out of Baghdad, put on our homeland
sip kills boarding galleon
Abandon Baghdad. There are two many arab units that could attack IBT. We cannot hold that city.

IBT : Bursa loses marketplace and barracks to bombers
galleon carrying the two sips is lost to Zulu galleon
Edrine builds sipahi -> sipahi
Bursa builds sipahi -> barracks
America drops a settler, 3 infantries, 1 marine, 1 ca in former zululand

1460AD
galleon sink Zulu galleon -> promotes to vet
Army kills infantry

IBT : America burns iskenderun
bombers destroy units
They land another settler + infantry
Calcutta loses harbor to bombers

1465AD
sip kills American cav
Army kills infantry, getting us two new slaves

IBT: Now it gets funny
bombers destroy units in cities
America drops 2 tanks, 1 infantry at salonika
Persia drops 1 rifle, 4 cavs at salonika
Sinop builds galleon -> sipahi
Bingol builds sipahi -> sipahi
Izmit builds barracks -> sipahi

1470AD
army kills American infantry
army kills Persian rifle
esip kills tank
esip lost to tank
sip lost to cav
army kills tank
sipahi kills cav
sipahi kills cav
sipahi lost to reg cav
sipahi lost to reg cav
shifted units to the threatened cities, hoping the bombers will not hit too much

IBT : bombers kill our defenders at salonika, they destroy the barracks at bursa again
Persia takes salonika
Denizli builds sipahi -> knight

1475AD
I did not play this turn. I just bombed the rifle in salonika.

We have only one fully healed sip to strike salonika, there is one rifle and two wounded cavs in it. The army is yellow and in Bursa. Should be taken out there, otherwise it will die on the next bombing run. I would try to take out the rifle with the sip and then even consider to attack the wounded cavs with the remaining muskets we have on our homeland. It looks quite bad now. ships are on the way to former India to get reinforcements from there.

So Obormot is up!
ThERat on deck

 

[Obormot]

Got it, i'll play tomorrow.

 

[ThERat]

by the way the Roster is

Markh
Obormot - up
Adjudicator - on deck
Xothermik -
Rat -
DBear -
Iroquois -

 

[Obormot]

pre-turn
- With proper MM research of Nationalism cut to 5 turns from 7
- corrupt towns switched to settlers , uncorrupt to barracks and sips
- Salonika recaptured, loose 1 sip
- workers transported from India to Zululand to build rails for defense, workers in zululand reorganized

IBT
- loose lib in Bursa to bombers
- americans land 3 tanks in India

1480
- destroy american tanks, loose 2 sips
- can't build rails in zululand - no coal - rush harbour

IBT
- americans land TOW in India
- vikings land a crysader
- persians drop a cav

1485
- kill the landings except the TOW - too tough, let him attack
- raze New Orleans

IBT
- Americans loose their TOW attacking our musket
- Barracks in Edrine destroyed

1490
- settled town in zululand

IBT
- americans land a tank in zululand
- vikings capture Madras with a berserk, land a crusader and MDI near Bombay
- americans finished Hoover
- we build IW

1495
- recapture Madras and kill the landings except viking crusader and MDI, loose 1 sip and 1 musket (yes, a musket - i ran out of sips in India and used muskets to kill wounded persian cav).
- Istanbul switched to galeon - we need more units in India urgently
- Both our sip armies loaded on galeons to go to Arabia

IBT
- loose 2 muskets, but no towns
- new town pillaged by barbs
- last turn i MMed to save some money and that came out to be a bad idea - we lost some beakers because of troop movement and Nationalism is delayed.

1500
- Unload sip armies
- I failed to kill all arab landing, they'll capture Karabuk next turn

IBT
- Arabs capture Karabuk
- Americans start UN

1505
- We get Nationalism and mobilize. Electricity next in 20. We don't want spies - our economy is set up for research, not stealing - we have libs and unis and no banks.
- Medina captured, 4 more sips dropped in Arabia, 2 sips loaded to go to zululand to recapture Karabuk.
- There are no sips left on our home island . There were no landings there recently, so i decided to take this risk.
- Settler-of-war rushed in Cankiri (to allow sipahi transport in one turn)

IBT
- persians settle in zululand
- arabs loose an ansar attacking Medina
- barracks in Bursa destroyed

1510
- Mecca is captured, we loose 1 sip
- Sivas founded in zululand, sips dropped there, Karabuk liberated.

IBT
- American tanks destroy a barb camp in zululand

1515
- Anjar captured and the arabs are gone.

- I see an american tank in the mountains near Tunceli, i bombard it, but cannot even scratch it. Sips are useless here, i'll try to bait the tank with workers.

IBT
- The bait doesn't work, the americans capture Tunceli
- Persians kill our sip and capture Medina

1520
- Medina recaptured, one army is loaded to sail back to zululand, we need it to kill those tanks.
- American tank inside Tunceli bombarded and becomes yellow, i kill it with a sip and recapture Tunceli, see 2 more.
- I'll use empty Tunceli as a bait, the cannons standing just outside in the mountains (Tunceli renamed as Tanks Welcome).
- Yozgat founded
- 4 sips transported from home island to zululand

IBT
- Bad news - persians kill our army in Mecca, we are down to one army now - that'll be difficult. I had many elite wins, but no leaders in my turns. They kill one more sip, we have 1 sip left in persia.
- Americans raze Tanks Welcome and kill one sip with the other tank, and they kill another one with bombers.
- They also destroy harbour in Riza - we loose spices - i scroll to prevent riots.

1525
- Kill american tanks with the army.
- attack persian cav with sip and loose. We can't hold arabian cities, so we abandon them.
- rush new harbour in Riza

Notes:
- We have lots of settlers being built, that'll help us claim new land quickly, build more settlers in corrupt cities.
- Try to keep units in large stacks - like that they won't be killed, just injured.
- If americans blow barracks in a city, rebuild it immidiately.
- Sips are effective against tanks and infs only in armies - next player must get us a leader or two

This game is starting to get really fun: it would be a pity if the americans win by UN. If they don't get enough votes we may have a chance to get domination.

 

[Obormot]

If anybody feels that this game is too much for him - he can ask for a skip - no problem with that.

 

[markh]

I already mmed to get nationalism earlier. Hmm, obviously I still have to improve more on that . Sorry.
I just changed some builds from the previous player which would have taken much too long in my opinion.
So, we go with 10-turnsets again ?

 

[Obormot]

As i said before you can play 10 or 5, whatever you feel like.
As for the MM - everything is simple - the northern part of zulu island is totally corrupt, and i turned about 1/2 of population there to scientists - that's the standard procedure of getting beakers in IA. You had some citizens working mountains and hills just to get 2 spt instead of 1.
The builds were changed to settlers, cause you cannot build them in the core and we need lots of settlers to get domination (we cannot even build temples, cause we're mobilized). Actually i always build only settlers and workers in corrupt areas. Productive cities build sips, the only effective unit against tanks that we can build.
Fighting when you are constanty bombed is really difficult, we loose many units, but with mobilization we seem to be buuilding new sips fast enough to recover from that.
I really think we can win if the americans don't win the UN vote.
BTW, does anybody remember america being at war with any other civ? We shoul keep any civs that fought against america alive.

 

[IroquoisPlisken]

I really think we can win if the americans don't win the UN vote.
BTW, does anybody remember america being at war with any other civ? We shoul keep any civs that fought against america alive.

I've never seen anyone attack anyone else besides us and barbs. Besides, there's another half of a map we haven't seen. Maybe all the battles are happening there.

How many civs are left? Us, America, Persia, Vikings...is that it? We'll vote for us, America votes for themselves. How many votes would they need to win? 2 or 3? If they need Persia AND Vikings to vote for them, we have a good chance of them not winning the vote, I think.

 

[ThERat]

by the way who is up? Are the 2 players in front of me out of business for the moment?

If so, will play tomorrow

 

[Obormot]

There are 4 civs left: us, america, vikings and persia. To win the vote americans need 3 votes out 4, that means that if vikings or persians abstain, the game continues.
But i agree, even if it happens, it'd be very difficult to get domination before americans launch their ship.

 

[IroquoisPlisken]

There are 4 civs left: us, america, vikings and persia. To win the vote americans need 3 votes out 4, that means that if vikings or persians abstain, the game continues.
But i agree, even if it happens, it'd be very difficult to get domination before americans launch their ship.

Hmm, in that case, maybe we shouldn't take out any more civs. If there were 3 civs left, he'd only need 2 votes, which is actually easier.

Abe still has a lot to research before he can complete the spaceship. If we settle fast, we have a decent chance, I think.