RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
As you want, I wouldn't want to steal turns because I had problems with my connection... but if you want me to spice the save a bit before you play (for added challenge), feel free to move me
Short fun game (immortal)
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As you want, I wouldn't want to steal turns because I had problems with my connection... but if you want me to spice the save a bit before you play (for added challenge), feel free to move me
Shock (melee)?!
That's about the last promotion I would pick. Or did you mean Pinch (gunpowder)? Note that Combat promotions are relatively much better when the attacker has a bigger base strength than the defender. For example against a Longbow Combat and Cover give the same bonus for Cossacks.I agree if you meant Pinch, most C3->March, some Combat Pinch to spearhead after flankers (if we run into Muskets/Grens or the like) and some flankers.
Thinking now I think I'd go Chem->Astro->Scimet->Communism. Scimet gets a boost from having both Astro and Chem, and Astro gives us a boost in trade as well to reach those last few big techs. Building boats isn't that much of a priority but the trades and contact are nice. Could swap Astro and Chem as well, no strong feelings about that, then my thinking would exactly match shyuhes
I do think we should get both before Scimet, both have a significant effect while giving a significant tech discount.As for civics, I still think it's a no-brainer to go Slavery and Theo here with the GA. Since we're slaving, we won't need quite as much happiness. NSR culture I don't see really having any effect on the game
And as for diplo, IMO it's almost completely useless for us already (really, the only useful thing I can think of is OB with the islanders and that we're guaranteed to get with fair trade), EXCEPT with Churchill as we have a chance to peacevassal him once we get a bit more population and possibly power. So don't piss him off.
As you want, I wouldn't want to steal turns because I had problems with my connection... but if you want me to spice the save a bit before you play (for added challenge), feel free to move me
Steal turns? You gave each of us like 2 extra turnsets!
Good to have you back
shyuhe
Deity
Agree with Silu - I don't think we need shock. Maybe 1 or 2 stack defenders but I'd go mostly combat--march. We should also look for our healer chariot (I think I saw one) and move him towards the frontline in anticipation of our first healer GG. I would even consider a second healer GG so that we can open a second front sooner, rather than settling the GG's.
Fine then. I'm fine with theo... but I'd rather tech astro->chem->scimeth->communism.
Agree with medics.
I was talking about shock as the strongest defenders are pikes but you're right ofc, it's rubbish...
One more thing you guys didn't comment on was OB with gandhi for quicker war.... it speeds up conquest of chinese cities and will diminish resistance but will mean diplo -ves with churchill IIRC. Go ahead anyway?
Agree with medics.
I was talking about shock as the strongest defenders are pikes but you're right ofc, it's rubbish...
One more thing you guys didn't comment on was OB with gandhi for quicker war.... it speeds up conquest of chinese cities and will diminish resistance but will mean diplo -ves with churchill IIRC. Go ahead anyway?
The OB is an almost no-existent diplo penalty (if we don't need to refuse closing them), so go for it. We should only need it for ~2 turns after which we can close them if Church asks.
A couple of Shock dudes will actually help Cuirassiers somewhat if you run into Pikes, true... I was somehow already thinking about Cossacks, for them Combat is preferable almost always against crap base str units.
I'm fine with Astro first. Be sure to take the Compass trade.
A couple of Shock dudes will actually help Cuirassiers somewhat if you run into Pikes, true... I was somehow already thinking about Cossacks, for them Combat is preferable almost always against crap base str units.
I'm fine with Astro first. Be sure to take the Compass trade.
shyuhe
Deity
I don't think Churchill can ask us to close borders during the 10 turn window. We just have to remember to close the borders after 10 turns are up to avoid the risk of diplo demerits. Don't want to end up at war with Gandhi and him refusing to talk to us for closing borders by a rival's demand.
I think chemistry first is better than astro since it improves our workshops. Not too hung up about it though.
I think chemistry first is better than astro since it improves our workshops. Not too hung up about it though.
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
Stupid question D): how do I remove the "dotmap layer" in BUG? There are just to many things displayed when I open the save
edit: though I've seen enough to say this is already won no AI has gunpowder even 
team!
D): how do I remove the "dotmap layer" in BUG? There are just to many things displayed when I open the save edit: though I've seen enough to say this is already won
no AI has gunpowder even team!Stupid question
haha
alt+x (and right click on the obsolete ones), ctrl+x to hide it completely...
or deinstall BUG
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
Tx bestsss!
... and leave the team, stop playing XOTMs, HOFs, SGOTMs... are you crazy???
... and leave the team, stop playing XOTMs, HOFs, SGOTMs... are you crazy???
shyuhe
Deity
Well, we're starting the part of the game that I wanted to work on the most - efficient conquest Especially since we'll need boats for sure.
Especially since we'll need boats for sure.
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
OK, I agree with almost everything that has been said since Silu's set...
except maybe the civics during GA (I would do it more conservative, staying in caste seeing as the AIs are hopeless. might as well have a nice score
)... theo... why not? I hardly see that doing any differences (cuirrassiers/cossacks against LBs)
I also would go chemistry before astro as teching faster won't bring the end of this game faster... but perhaps Mysty has something in mind?
edit: yeah BUFFY 
except maybe the civics during GA (I would do it more conservative, staying in caste seeing as the AIs are hopeless. might as well have a nice score
)... theo... why not? I hardly see that doing any differences (cuirrassiers/cossacks against LBs)I also would go chemistry before astro as teching faster won't bring the end of this game faster... but perhaps Mysty has something in mind?
edit: yeah BUFFY
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
just to be sure... that's Mysty up right?
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
No pb... I was afraid you were all waiting for me
1280AD - 1410AD: Years of Battle
So then, here we are. Nicely set up by an army of cuirassiers by silu
IHT
Switch a merchant in st pete to engineer, thus triple-ing it's production (in order to finish the courthouse).
Trade for compass as discussed
OB with gandhi and sell corn too as we're trading with him for now anyways
I also set a reminder to cancel deals... Just ignore it...
Finally hit enter for the first time... And look what message my delighted eyes see:
Hehe, that went better than expected I just take the cap to avoid churchill changing his mind...
I give him phants for rice as we lack it and moscov is currently starving badly due to poisonned water.
Now, a great advantage of voluntary vassalage: We can tell churchill what to research and actually get to trade for those techs:
Churchill surprises me with his quite decent techspeed considering his smallish empire and techs chemistry in 8t, around when we'll finish rifling... Yay, free tech
1320AD
We get the news that some unkonwn civ circumnavigated the globe. Kinda strange since we didn't get to meet them yet... My guess is that they traded maps...
Now, the thing we've all been waiting for... DOW on mao
Since our units are in place and efficiently distributed, I manage to capture xian and guangzhou on the same turn.
1340AD
The journey to chengdu takes one turn more but falls just as easily
In the battle, our unpronouncable GG gets spawned...
1360AD
... who creates our first super medic
I visit mao whho looks kinda grumpy... but he won't capitulate. Sigh... Gotta wait two more turns to capture shanghai...?
1380AD
... thankfully, no. Mao suicided 2 chokos in the IBT which convinces him of the hopelessness of his resistance so he cracks. I decide to accept his cap now as 1) we must advance on gandhi ASAP 2) I want to avoid unnecessary casualties 3) shanghai would be our only city that might be stuck in revolts and 4) it will kinda help mao's teching (for us)...
1400AD
Notice how I forgot to make deals with mao. Do so now:
Note how I trade for wine... we atm recieve wine from gandhi (negotiated that later) but it won't be long until we lose that source...
1410AD
Most of our units are in place, the GM spawned and we're 1t from rifling... in theory (read: if we get the cash). Let's discuss...
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Firstly, the only really troubling news:
Too bad AI gandhi made no dumb choice for a change...
Some stats:
Our production is quite impressive, especially as we're about to enter a GA.
Power has steadily been increasing ever since we started *plop*-ing out cuirassiers but you can also see what rifling did to gandhi's power in just one turn...
Now on to the military overview...
I prepared 3 stacks to attack 3 cities simultaneously. Starting with gandhi's SOD:
As you can see he has an ok mixed stack with plenty of siege which is good for us thanks to flanking. There are 32 units total while 12 are siege, it will take a few turns to take this city down. I'm not sure our 15 cuirassiers suffice since defences are 80% and the city is on a hill (I marked all hillside cities with a "h"). However it will prevent gandhi from using his SOD on us but will have to use it for defence...
Eastern stack. Not much to say, shouldn't be too hard.
Western stack. I stationned it in chinese land to save gold. Should suffice. Gandhi just built the islam shrine a turn ago or so...
Generally, we can't capture any city on the very first turn due to gandhi's usual great cultural pressure. This means gandhi has time for more rifleman-upgrades...
On the domestic side, we have our GA ready to be kicked off:
So now... on to the discussion...
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So then, here we are. Nicely set up by an army of cuirassiers by silu
IHT
Switch a merchant in st pete to engineer, thus triple-ing it's production (in order to finish the courthouse).
Trade for compass as discussed
OB with gandhi and sell corn too as we're trading with him for now anyways
I also set a reminder to cancel deals... Just ignore it...
Finally hit enter for the first time... And look what message my delighted eyes see:
Hehe, that went better than expected
I just take the cap to avoid churchill changing his mind...
I give him phants for rice as we lack it and moscov is currently starving badly due to poisonned water.
Now, a great advantage of voluntary vassalage: We can tell churchill what to research and actually get to trade for those techs:
Churchill surprises me with his quite decent techspeed considering his smallish empire and techs chemistry in 8t, around when we'll finish rifling... Yay, free tech
1320AD
We get the news that some unkonwn civ circumnavigated the globe. Kinda strange since we didn't get to meet them yet... My guess is that they traded maps...
Now, the thing we've all been waiting for... DOW on mao
Since our units are in place and efficiently distributed, I manage to capture xian and guangzhou on the same turn.
1340AD
The journey to chengdu takes one turn more but falls just as easily
In the battle, our unpronouncable GG gets spawned...
1360AD
... who creates our first super medic
I visit mao whho looks kinda grumpy... but he won't capitulate. Sigh... Gotta wait two more turns to capture shanghai...?
1380AD
... thankfully, no. Mao suicided 2 chokos in the IBT which convinces him of the hopelessness of his resistance so he cracks. I decide to accept his cap now as 1) we must advance on gandhi ASAP 2) I want to avoid unnecessary casualties 3) shanghai would be our only city that might be stuck in revolts and 4) it will kinda help mao's teching (for us)...
1400AD
Notice how I forgot to make deals with mao. Do so now:
Note how I trade for wine... we atm recieve wine from gandhi (negotiated that later) but it won't be long until we lose that source...
1410AD
Most of our units are in place, the GM spawned and we're 1t from rifling... in theory (read: if we get the cash). Let's discuss...
---
Firstly, the only really troubling news:
Too bad AI gandhi made no dumb choice for a change...Some stats:
Our production is quite impressive, especially as we're about to enter a GA.
Power has steadily been increasing ever since we started *plop*-ing out cuirassiers
but you can also see what rifling did to gandhi's power in just one turn...Now on to the military overview...
I prepared 3 stacks to attack 3 cities simultaneously. Starting with gandhi's SOD:
As you can see he has an ok mixed stack with plenty of siege which is good for us thanks to flanking. There are 32 units total while 12 are siege, it will take a few turns to take this city down. I'm not sure our 15 cuirassiers suffice since defences are 80% and the city is on a hill (I marked all hillside cities with a "h"). However it will prevent gandhi from using his SOD on us but will have to use it for defence...
Eastern stack. Not much to say, shouldn't be too hard.
Western stack. I stationned it in chinese land to save gold. Should suffice. Gandhi just built the islam shrine a turn ago or so...
Generally, we can't capture any city on the very first turn due to gandhi's usual great cultural pressure. This means gandhi has time for more rifleman-upgrades...
On the domestic side, we have our GA ready to be kicked off:
So now... on to the discussion...
- Civics. We seem to be agreed on theo/slavery. Right?
- DOW. Should we declare now and hope to catch gandhi off-guard (kinda) or delay it until we have rifling as well as sufficient funds to upgrade our cuirassiers to cossacks? I'm not sure on this... Waiting will greatly increase gandhi's army of rifleman, otoh we get better units... I'm not sure at all what's better. I think I'd just attack now, with cuirassiers, and sell some tech to gandhi to reduce the amount of money he has available for upgrades and upgrade our cuirassiers during the war.
- Techpath. I set mao to tech astro for us. Since we'll get chemistry from churchill in time, next tech on our list would be sci meth. I'm not sure we can get astro from mao, but it would be very nice if we can... since we'll turn off research for a while for the upgrades.
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