shyuhe
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RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
I am gonna make a break because I am too tired and it's a bloodbath.. those rifles don't wanna die...
Here is a screen of the next battle... I wonder if we should retreat to heal or make an assault right now (note the brave english stack next to Vijayanagara).
I can continue a bit tomorow or give it to next player (played 8 turns iirc)
Report tomorow in both cases though...Iirc Churchill just finished constitution, so we need to find him something else to do.
Thoughts?
Ras
7-8 turns has been about the norm I think for whole turnsets - like 10 turns on Normal.
Quite the bloodbath Maybe we should queue Theatres in the key cities to double the culture slider efficiency. Could also gift MT to Biz in hopes of him trading it to Gandhi And to make him build Cavalry instead of Rifles... His Horses are an import from Gandhi, need to trade him one of ours if we take that... Actually Gandhi doesn't even have Horses right now! What an idiot Or maybe he's smarter than we think
Maybe we should try to aim for the weakly defended cities instead of the next in line? Like Bombay here only has 3 Rifles instead of the 6 in Vijay. If he moves garrisons we can kill them on the field with little losses. Quick speed makes this harder, though...
Quite the bloodbath
Maybe we should queue Theatres in the key cities to double the culture slider efficiency. Could also gift MT to Biz in hopes of him trading it to Gandhi And to make him build Cavalry instead of Rifles... His Horses are an import from Gandhi, need to trade him one of ours if we take that... Actually Gandhi doesn't even have Horses right now! What an idiot Or maybe he's smarter than we think Maybe we should try to aim for the weakly defended cities instead of the next in line? Like Bombay here only has 3 Rifles instead of the 6 in Vijay. If he moves garrisons we can kill them on the field with little losses. Quick speed makes this harder, though...
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
^^ Yeah I start queueing theaters in big cities (done in Moscow and a couple of other cities). We shoud build them only in unhappy cities, no point to build them for culture (wheat gold city for instance) as Bis will soon join our club...
Don't think we should do anything about MT. He could very well upgrade both maces and HAs (if he has any remaining)... I missed the fact he had traded his horses so I think this is moot anyway. Makes him harder to cap also.
I am OK with someone else finishing Gandhi... I am a bit disappointed by the fact I couldn't do more in those turns but i spend quite a while waiting for Gandhi to move its stack... oh well c'est la vie
I agree with redirecting the troops toward lightly defended cities also. I think he isn't far from capitulating now, maybe one more will be enough. (btw, I vetoed some coliseums because of that - I was thinking maybe one more cossacks will put us above the power threshold - at one point I was at 60 % culture slider because of that)
Anyway, I will write down a report after work
Ras
Don't think we should do anything about MT. He could very well upgrade both maces and HAs (if he has any remaining)... I missed the fact he had traded his horses so I think this is moot anyway. Makes him harder to cap also.
I am OK with someone else finishing Gandhi... I am a bit disappointed by the fact I couldn't do more in those turns but i spend quite a while waiting for Gandhi to move its stack... oh well c'est la vie
I agree with redirecting the troops toward lightly defended cities also. I think he isn't far from capitulating now, maybe one more will be enough. (btw, I vetoed some coliseums because of that - I was thinking maybe one more cossacks will put us above the power threshold - at one point I was at 60 % culture slider because of that
)Anyway, I will write down a report after work
Ras
shyuhe
Deity
Took a look at the save. I agree that it's better to go strike at some of the other cities first. We should try to raise some cash to upgrade our troops to cossacks too. I'd backsell some of our techs to our vassals for techs + cash.
We can also pick up whales from Mao and marble from Churchill. Roos also has some resources that we can trade for to alleviate WW.
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OK Had a look at the save. Some points that caught my attention:
edit: Didn't see your last post shyuhe...
Shame on you for not having autosaves every turn ras 
- We can't see gandhi's power graph. A look at the esp screen tells me that we're merely 1t of focusing on him short. Might be quite interesting to see that, especially to guesstimate how long until he capitulates.
- F5 tells me we have 24 cuirassiers. 24 * 59g = 1416g total required for upgrading. Why did you not *just* produce enough beakers to finish astro, ras? Also, we don't need 30% culture; 20% suffices. Then we have 1
in 2 cities and 2 in 1 (not counting recent aquisitions 
). Most of these cities don't even have theatres/coliseums! And I don't think having 1-2 in only a few cities is enough to raise the slider like that. BTW, we're making +14g running 20% culture (and 80% wealth)... I am aware that we're about to get a GM (most likely at least) but I'd rather upgrade as much as possible as soon as possible to have our cossacks ready for battle before gandhi gets even more rifles... - ... which is the main reason I wouldn't sue for peace now. We have a decent number of cossacks and I'd rather keep the pressure on gandhi.
- I would make a move on bombay (even if it's on a hill), well, I would've made that from the get-go (I positionned units there)... However, I would leave the stack with the GG medic move on towards vijay to have gandhi focus his forces towards that city. We can tell churchill to attack that city as well, he might help a little more with bombarding defences. The stray units as well as newly-built or healing units may form the stack going after bombay. The GG should be attached to a cuirassier and join the bombay-stack. There is a cuirassier at 6/5 xp in the vijay-stack that will be at 26 xp afterwards -> combat, medic I+II+III, morale.
- I'm glad you started some galleons
- We are running lots of engineers. I'd rather change them to merchants where base production is high anyway to speed up cossackupgrading
- Our moai city isn't far from -cap which will suffer more from more warring but still set on max growth... Better work some mines and avoid .
- Several cities are building cossacks/galleons at 2xp or so... In other words, lacking rax/stable. Especially galleons would want to get their 5xp for the navigation promo, and faster supply of reinforcements afterwards (you can spot this stuff easily on F1).
- We can demand gold from biz now, we won't attack him in the next 10t I guess...
- Don't forget a pic of varanasi in your report, ras
another reason not to hurry with sci meth; we get to enjoy the GL and parth for some more turns... versailles indeed is very nice, too - Note to next player: It might help to improve our road-network in the southeast a little to get to biz' cities more easily. We can capture 3 cities on the very first turn of war so good infra is necessary for logistics.
- We can get whale from mao which would make our markets give +3 . Also we can get another 18gpt in trade from roosie + biz.
- Why is mao teching PP when we have that already? We should use our vassals to get techs we don't have ourselves... Mao is teching faster, he can get MS in 8t for military academies. And we can get constitution from churchill for jails... Is there a reason not to make (lopsided) trades with our vassals? Especially since we get valuable gold for upgrades as well...
- De Gaulle is in WHEOOH, his worst enemy is churchill so he might declare on us sometime... Just wanted to mention it ha-ha
edit: Didn't see your last post shyuhe...
Shame on you for not having autosaves every turn ras
shyuhe
Deity
If we trade for Roos's happy, we should be able to push the culture slider down some more - probably 10% ish. That and we can pick up constitution from our vassals and then whip out jails to deal with WW. I'd tech SM to near completion then stockpile gold, so that we can burn right through SM and communism. We shouldn't need anything after that, I hope...
shyuhe
Deity
Oh right, we're near broke I forgot about that detail. We should probably hire some merchants instead of scientists once we get constitution (and swap to representation).
I forgot about that detail. We should probably hire some merchants instead of scientists once we get constitution (and swap to representation).
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
Only those?
I agree, kept the EPs on Bis because 1) thought it would be usefull to revolt one or two cities in next war (spies heading there), 2) we had enough points to see his power till one turn or two (last ratio was 1.4 on our favor).
[*] F5 tells me we have 24 cuirassiers. 24 * 59g = 1416g total required for upgrading. Why did you not *just* produce enough beakers to finish astro, ras? Also, we don't need 30% culture; 20% suffices. Then we have 1
I just thought upgrading cuirassiers would be a waste when we are producing 4 cossacks a turn... but I should have asked first what the team thought...
about the culture: I built theaters in in a few cities where there were really needed. Others (farm) cities got whipped or forgotten. I might have forgotten to lower the slider on the last turn too
peace? what peace? We haven't any universities so I do think we better stay in "troop-spam" mode...1) Churchill is useless (seriously look at his stacks) 2) Bombay wasn't on my initial plan (despite the positionnong of your stack I know
), but nobody objected... better to whine before than after 3) agree about the plan though[*] I'm glad you started some galleons
Me too... I thought Mao would be faster on the research of astro but...Agree, didn't adjust specialists when cities were reaching the "one unit/turn" threashold. Though no big deal while we don't loose overflow.
[*] Our moai city isn't far from
That's why I was against slavery
But when in slavery, you might as well use it. Micro should be changed once we reach happy cap (iirc we have still room), I agreeHonnestly the cossacks without stable were on purpose, look at the difference against a rifle and you will get it. i prefered more cossacks... For the galleons, well I don't have any excuse in stock, just forgot the navigation promo
good point
[*] Don't forget a pic of varanasi in your report, ras
Yeah, as usual, plenty of pics in the incoming report
Stopping research a bit sounds good too.
Agree
[*] We can get whale from mao which would make our markets give +3
Pff +1 sloppyness from me...
1) Mao: I just forgot (though he got astro last turn)
2) Churchill got Constitution THIS TURN (and he was doing it because we asked): relax!
[*] De Gaulle is in WHEOOH, his worst enemy is churchill so he might declare on us sometime... Just wanted to mention it ha-ha
tx to state the obvious
p)... Just hadn't time to write the report before you open the save Ras
Haha, I'll only comment a few things
I just meant to say, I got so used to having my vassals doing most of the teching for me after I went full-warring mode so I instantly noticed that stuff
There was some discussion about "taking peace, regrouping, upgrading, healing" etc...
If he bombards the defences down (as I wrote) it'll be quite useful considering the amount of units in there...
I just meant to say, I got so used to having my vassals doing most of the teching for me after I went full-warring mode so I instantly noticed that stuff To quote some AI phrase I always like to see: "Always happy to help"
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
Sum up: yeah not the best round ever... I will try to play earlier in the night from now on (nah kidding)... and not make another civ break ever ... now i will go hide in shame... and change that damn autosave setting
edit: More seriously, I doubt Churchill can defend his siege stacks alone, so do u propose we protect them for him? I think it will be faster to take cities with sheer numbers than wait for Churchill to lower defenses anyway. though I am opened to anything ofc
... now i will go hide in shame... and change that damn autosave setting edit: More seriously, I doubt Churchill can defend his siege stacks alone, so do u propose we protect them for him? I think it will be faster to take cities with sheer numbers than wait for Churchill to lower defenses anyway. though I am opened to anything ofc
Got it. No time to look at the save 'till tonight. Gandhi's no pushover, huh? The guy's haunting us.
I was merely meaning that churchill is atm bombarding defences for us. Many horsies are damaged and there's a super medic in the stack. If we wait 2-3 turns on the same tile as churchills cats we have a nice healed stack and fewer defences to overcome when trying to finish off gandhi's stack.
Galleons 5XP? How do Raxes and Stables help with Galleons? We don't even have Steel for Drydocks. Or did you mean building them in faithless cities and losing the Theo bonus? Pretty sure we'll never get 5XP Galleons so I don't see much point in worrying about their XP Also IMO at this point Cossacks without Stable is fine if there's faith to give them 2 promos. ROI on Stables will suck if the city in question will only end up producing a few Cossacks.
Upgrading Cuirs; we could do that to speed up things. Maybe use the GM for a trade mission and use that cash on upgrades? Mass upgrading directly after Rifling could also have been possible but continuing teching helps too (at least this far, SciMet we could delay)... Don't think that was a mistake especially when we could only upgrade a few units a turn. Remember, upgrading is nerfed on Quick because there's a flat 20g base cost in addition to the hammer-dependent cost.
EP for Gandhis demo would be "nice" to see but in fact totally useless. It won't change our gameplay at all, no decision depends on it. He's going down, period
Waiting for Church to bombard defenses is a joke IMO, it will take *forever* and is only partially effective for our gunpowder based units EDIT: if we go there to wait bombard and heal, I bet Gandhi will reinforce the crap out of that city, making it much harder to overcome than now. Better to run around catching underdefended cities.
IMO changing single-civics (like Repr) is a huge waste here, at least before Gandhi is capitulated. We need troops, not research. After we've tackled that big big-nosed hurdle we can start being cute with specs and stuff. Though if we'd swap, I'd much pref FM for great intercont trades and this diminishes the benefit from Repr. I think swapping anything is quite unnecessary
Also IMO at this point Cossacks without Stable is fine if there's faith to give them 2 promos. ROI on Stables will suck if the city in question will only end up producing a few Cossacks.Upgrading Cuirs; we could do that to speed up things. Maybe use the GM for a trade mission and use that cash on upgrades? Mass upgrading directly after Rifling could also have been possible but continuing teching helps too (at least this far, SciMet we could delay)... Don't think that was a mistake especially when we could only upgrade a few units a turn. Remember, upgrading is nerfed on Quick because there's a flat 20g base cost in addition to the hammer-dependent cost.
EP for Gandhis demo would be "nice" to see but in fact totally useless. It won't change our gameplay at all, no decision depends on it. He's going down, period
Waiting for Church to bombard defenses is a joke IMO, it will take *forever* and is only partially effective for our gunpowder based units
EDIT: if we go there to wait bombard and heal, I bet Gandhi will reinforce the crap out of that city, making it much harder to overcome than now. Better to run around catching underdefended cities.IMO changing single-civics (like Repr) is a huge waste here, at least before Gandhi is capitulated. We need troops, not research. After we've tackled that big big-nosed hurdle we can start being cute with specs and stuff. Though if we'd swap, I'd much pref FM for great intercont trades and this diminishes the benefit from Repr. I think swapping anything is quite unnecessary
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
Waiting for Church to bombard defenses is a joke IMO, it will take *forever* and is only partially effective for our gunpowder based units
exactly my thinking...
about civic: I checked in the last turn of the GA but there were no way to trade for constitution at time. No point changing now, I agree. maybe after communism, maybe never (mercantilism is quite good with a lot of cities AND vassals).
I have some RL stuffs to do then will put a report up.
We can get 14 ~fully healed Cossacks to hit Bombay in 2 turns, and as many 10+ str Cuirs - it will fall for sure. Alternatively 13 Cossacks and better health Cuirs for Vijay, here the outcome isn't as certain. Since the capitulation is probably much more about land and pop than power here (oops, guess it affects something on some level ), we should aim to get fast (read: weakly defended) cities IMO. Meaning a mass converging upon Bombay As a bonus if we get lucky he will try to reinforce it giving us ~free Rifle kills. Stopping to heal is, once again, nerfed by Quick speed Since our Cossacks aren't damaged I wouldn't worry about unit health too much right now.
), we should aim to get fast (read: weakly defended) cities IMO. Meaning a mass converging upon Bombay As a bonus if we get lucky he will try to reinforce it giving us ~free Rifle kills. Stopping to heal is, once again, nerfed by Quick speed Since our Cossacks aren't damaged I wouldn't worry about unit health too much right now.I merely meant that churchill bombarding the city for us is a nice addition which we might use to a bigger extent if healing. What's the super medic for then, eh?
I'm not completely familiar with civic changes and anarchy but in my last game (normal speed) I found out that sometime, changing 2 civics result in 2 turns of anarchy... since we want the money now, not the beakers, 3+ free beakers per city means more gold, means more cossacks.
I think the cap is about the "battle stats" as well; killed:lost units but I'm not sure on that.
The GM is supposed to be used for cashbomb, be that now for upgrades or deficit research - I'd have upgraded before teching astro as it doesn't help us right now... I'd rather have more cossacks sooner.
I'm not completely familiar with civic changes and anarchy but in my last game (normal speed) I found out that sometime, changing 2 civics result in 2 turns of anarchy... since we want the money now, not the beakers, 3+ free beakers per city means more gold, means more cossacks.
I think the cap is about the "battle stats" as well; killed:lost units but I'm not sure on that.
The GM is supposed to be used for cashbomb, be that now for upgrades or deficit research - I'd have upgraded before teching astro as it doesn't help us right now... I'd rather have more cossacks sooner.
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