Should players be allowed to *build* a puppet city?

[OTAKUjbski]

I feel penalized for wanting to peacefully build a great civilization.

As the game stands now, peacefully expanding isn't really an optimal growth strategy. Even if there is good land to move into, doing so too much ultimately slows [if not stops] Social Policy advancements. This seem to be the case even more so on Huge maps.

The best option is conquering and puppeting neighbouring cities.

MY SUGGESTION:

Allow players to build a new city but set it as a Puppet.

I believe for [at least] player-built Puppet cities, they should ...

• ... affect Social Policy cost by 65% of normal.
• ... incur a -20% growth penalty.
• ... allow citizen management via the governor (not tile-by-tile).

Any thoughts?

 

[Col Mustard]

I agree that this is a problem but I'd like to use the current puppet rules. They may not be the best rules but I think that they would be a good starting point.

 

[Camikaze]

I'm not sure about the pros and cons in terms of balance of such a change, but it would definitely seem realistic to be able to build a puppet city.

 

[Slowpoke]

Personally, I think fixing culture costs itself is a better idea. Removing puppet culture, and 10% more per city sounds more reasonable than the current 30%

 

[DaveGold]

Puppet states shouldn't be so good that people would want to build them.

 

[OTAKUjbski]

Puppet states shouldn't be so good that people would want to build them.

Is that to say the current situation is better -- that regular cities are so undesirable we generally don't want to build them?

Or am I just mistaken? Have I missed out on something that explains why a regular city is just as (or more) desirable to build than a conquered Puppet?`

 

[killmeplease]

Or am I just mistaken? Have I missed out on something that explains why a regular city is just as (or more) desirable to build than a conquered Puppet?`

because puppets are overpowered.
my suggestion:
puppets give no commerce, no science, but traderoute and 50% of resources from their territory (minimum is 1, e.g. 1 gold). no unhappiness from population also, only 2 unhappiness from city itself.
ps: creating puppets from own cities is a good idea. they could be called "colonies".

 

[YoHo]

This would be interesting in sort of a "colony" analog.
I would want there to be restrictions though.
So, maybe you can only do it if it is a different continent from your capital. So you start this colony which acts on it's own behalf as a "puppet."
But then, I think that puppet should have the ability to revolt against the main civ if it isn't being treated well.

 

[Camikaze]

Yeah the puppet concept would seem to set up quite a good basis for a colony feature to be well developed. Presumably colonies would provide slightly more benefits than puppets, however.