Simpsons Mafia (Game Thread)

[Optical]

I can't say I've seen too many good leads, but I'd say:
Red Spy, if he turns up just in time not to get WOG'd. I have seen him in othe parts of the forums, so why he's not here is a bit of a mystery. Since there's been a lot of inactivity this game though, he's one of a few.
Gone 3 the Celt: I dont know what the heck he's been doing. He's either an unhelpful townie, or a scum.
I couldn't really pull out any other names right this minute TBH.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I can't say I've seen too many good leads, but I'd say:
Red Spy, if he turns up just in time not to get WOG'd. I have seen him in othe parts of the forums, so why he's not here is a bit of a mystery. Since there's been a lot of inactivity this game though, he's one of a few.
Gone 3 the Celt: I dont know what the heck he's been doing. He's either an unhelpful townie, or a scum.
I couldn't really pull out any other names right this minute TBH.

I'm about 55/45 on this vote. I'm not comfortable with it really, but these are targets I find too easy. Not sure if there's real suspicion here or if these are two names General Olaf can get away with pointing the finger at.

Convince me otherwise.

Hospitalize General Olaf

 

[Optical]

I don't know how to convince you, to be completely honest. They look like easy targets. Maybe they are. That's not really the point, though. Until somebody comes up with an actual lead, we're stuck, and Hospitalise: Gone 3 the Celt's behaviour strikes me as odd. Red Spy's been inactive, and I don't like that. Admittedly, it's not a strong lead, and meither are my suspicions on G3tC, but they're all I've got. You asked who I suspected, and I answered.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't know how to convince you, to be completely honest. They look like easy targets. Maybe they are. That's not really the point, though. Until somebody comes up with an actual lead, we're stuck, and Hospitalise: Gone 3 the Celt's behaviour strikes me as odd. Red Spy's been inactive, and I don't like that. Admittedly, it's not a strong lead, and meither are my suspicions on G3tC, but they're all I've got. You asked who I suspected, and I answered.

Yes, and I like having your response on record. I lean scummy on that response, but it's a whole lot better than these inactive folks. That's why if there were any exculpatory evidence or reason not to vote for you, I'd probably switch.

That said, I have found in the past, and I've played a looooot of games, that mafia like to pick uncontroversial targets to vote for, especially if the odds of their voting you in kind are low. I felt both of your picks were in that camp and thus, my judgment leans scummy on your answer.

I don't think it's them, then again I don't know.

Someone else got an actual case?

 

[BigTin]

I feel that askthepizzaguy is pretty scummy for he has been leading us this whole time, mostly to lynch innocents, without being cleared himself. I may be wrong but as much as I can remember atpg is still unclear and we are letting him lead. He is not testing the lurkers to be mafia as they are likely his allies. Instead he is going after some of the more vocal players in the game who imo are less scummy than the lurkers. If atpg is clear you can ignore this whole comment, but I am pretty sure he is not.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I feel that askthepizzaguy is pretty scummy for he has been leading us this whole time, mostly to lynch innocents, without being cleared himself. I may be wrong but as much as I can remember atpg is still unclear and we are letting him lead. He is not testing the lurkers to be mafia as they are likely his allies. Instead he is going after some of the more vocal players in the game who imo are less scum than the lurkers. If atpg is clear you can ignore this whole comment, but I am pretty sure he is not.

I can't remember you being either cleared, or giving a darn who we lynched.

Ah, the vultures are circling. May you die a slow, painful death, BigTin.

 

[BigTin]

I was placed in jail and proven to be cleared atpg. I even announced before my jailing who I was. You have no proof that you are clear, less than me. You also have consistently attacked those who spoke out against you with all of those people being town. Sorry but atpg you appear very scummy to me.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I was placed in jail and proven to be cleared atpg. I even announced before my jailing who I was. You have no proof that you are clear, less than me. You also have consistently attacked those who spoke out against you with all of those people being town. Sorry but atpg you appear very scummy to me.

Yes, I remember that. I just reviewed the events leading up to that as well.

You seemed rather anxious to get jailed, you loudly protested that you were the reverend and that you were innocent. Then, we come to realize, through a scumbag named Zack, that our "results" from the jailing are utter BS.

That was all a tactic to "establish" your innocence, wasn't it, Master BigTin?

You knew you'd be released from jail and promptly forgotten.

Die, you filthy, nasty, disgusting slimeball.

Unvote,
Hospitalize: BigTin the mafia scumbag.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=10952229#post10952229

Read what transpired from this point onward.

Up until the point where Earthling says "Many citizens were dismayed at the result of knowing who they sent to jail, and some questioned how thorough the police's investigations would really be."



Yeah. Hello. Got a live one on my line here.

Zack was right, and he knew it from insider knowledge. The jailings aren't reliable, and the scum KNEW it in advance. They knew they could "get lynched", survive, and mess with the town.

I call shenanigans on this whole stinking conspiracy. I smell evil incarnate, and for once, it isn't emanating from ME.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sorry but atpg you appear very scummy to me.

Also I hate it when people apologize to me. It's a sign of weakness.... and guilty conscience.

I am telling you by voting me you will waste a day, and will then just have to release me from jail the following day.

Ah, the clincher. As soon as I'm shown as innocent, release me immediately.

Oh yes, quite right. We wouldn't want to actually rot in jail, we need to get back to doing evil things.

 

[BigTin]

I currently have no time to respond to you as I have to leave for school but atpg I will continue this argument later. Just one thing if I were a mafia would you not think I would have pleaded to be released from jail instead of waiting. And I was not anxious to go to jail until I realized it was the only way at the time to prove my innocence.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pre-Zack's brilliant "revelation", pre-Zack being revealed as scum.

No, hospitalizing is nonsensical. Jailing lets us know whether BigTin was telling the truth or not.

Ho ho ho ho ho ho ho....


Remember, Zack as scum already knows that jailing gives us FAKE INFO. Because he was scum at the time.

Later, he reveals that it gives us fake info, as if it's a startling revelation.

Later, he's revealed as scum.

Which means Zack, RIGHT HERE, is saying No nonononononono DO NOT LYNCH BIGTIN FOR REALZ.... but lynch him and get the FAKE results I know he will get.

Yes, don't actually kill him.... get the fake results, and then let him live.

Pooooooor BigTin. Ohhh it was such a brilliant fake. So good. Mmmmmm. You're going to get away with it too. I just bloody know it.

Good. I like it when smart/aggressive evil defeats apathetic/lazy good. Just know you didn't fool me and I'm not even really paying much bleeping attention. hahahahahaaaaa

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

FOS: General Olaf.

I think BigTin stepped in it deep trying to get suspicion on me after I rattled General Olaf.

Classic triangulation. Yes, I do have the stench of guilt and death on me, don't I, especially with the townies sitting around with a thumb up their collective butts. Perfect time to strike against Pizza.

I'm aware of that. That's because I've been mafia countless times, if I were mafia, THIS is the round I'd try to lynch Askthepizzaguy, especially if he's voting my scummy slimeball partner.

Something prompted BigTin into making a BigMistake. I think it was my vote on Olaf.

The question is, are there any townies in the audience today, or am I just going to shame the mafia into submission by myself?

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Don't even care if my being cocky gets me lynched, either. My final words will be "I told you so" followed by a big fat raspberry.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

LIVING (15)
Askthepizzaguy
BigTin
CivGeneral
classical_hero
General Olaf
Gone 3 the Celt
Jarrema
johnhughthom
landlubber
mayor
mechaerik
NinjaCow64
Red_Spy
RRRaskolnikov
Winston Hughes

Yes of course, because when I'm mafia, I like to leave people who have been basically absolutely confirmed to be townies alive all danged game for no bloody reason.



Now that it's all revealed, I can't believe we fell for it. I blame the forum crashing repeatedly, disrupting our train of thought and hurting our interest/enjoyment of the game. Plus Capo.


Gosh, should I try to find out who BigTin's co-conspirators are just by reading who proposed him for the lynch and finding out which of them are still alive?

Could it BE THAT SIMPLE???

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Gah... that's confusing! Suspicion of Suspiciously Suspicious Suspiciousness: BigTin

Choxorn is hospitalized thereafter.

Jail: BigTin for "I am mafia and will wait to make a safe vote".

Baseball

Zack points a pointed finger at him. Being a scumbag and all. And of course, jails, not hospitalizes.

Safest bussing ever? Yeah, methinks so.

Jail: Zack for voting for me, and to prove him wrong.

"To prove him wrong" Now *that's* hanging a lampshade on it. You bussed each other, didn't you? This was your plan, to point fingers at one another?

Zack came up with this idea, didn't he? Tell me I'm right.

Jail: BigTin, for the OMGUS.

Vote: Baseball, its America's national pastime?

Mechaerik, who is alive and well.

Abstaining, voting someone for abstaining, OMGUS, and then voting someone for OMGUS'ing.

Cliche! These are mafia CLICHES!!! This isn't even a forged exchange with much effort put into it, this is the most fabricated reasoning to vote each other ever... you didn't even TRY to build a case beyond abstain and OMGUS.... that's, that's just insulting my intelligence now.

Was it really that easy? God it.

Then I see a bunch of folks who joined the wagon and got hospitalized later. And red_spy who is still alive, and Olaf is pointing fingers at.

Red Spy, if he turns up just in time not to get WOG'd. I have seen him in othe parts of the forums, so why he's not here is a bit of a mystery. Since there's been a lot of inactivity this game though, he's one of a few.

Oh yes, if he turns up in time to not get wogged.

Here's my issue with this: This could be either distancing from Red_Spy, or fomenting suspicion on a townie that is not going to defend himself. And the anticipatory reasoning also doesn't sit well with me, that comes from a brain which is trying to puppetmaster the events of the game.

Townies react, here, General Olaf is predicting and preventing, or setting up. This is proactive, and hints of hidden knowledge, and certainly an entirely different view of the game than a townie would have. Foreknowledge, and leading the town in a direction based on future events, instead of looking at the past and seeing who manipulated us then.

I smell more than just a hint of it from General Olaf now. This line of reasoning is decidedly not something a townie would give as a reason to vote for someone: what they MIGHT do in the future. No.... that's incorrect.

I award you no points, and may Earthling have mercy on your soul.

 

[Jarrema]

Could it BE THAT SIMPLE???

No, I think it could not.
I feel somwhere inside me, that your arguments are wrong, ATPG. Not incorrect, but WRONG, even EVIL.
Unfortunatelly, I do not have enough time for elaborating why I feel it, so in a few short words:
1. it is only feeling
2. it seems to me like classical attempt to make a case on someone, taken by a scum
3. I just cannot believe that info we get from jailing people is absolute BS
Anyway, I want to jail: ATPG

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Anyway, I want to jail: ATPG

WHATS THE POINT? HOSPITALIZE.


You're either insane or mafia yourself, Jarrema.

Jailing doesn't do . That's why you get the results immediately! That's why you can let them go! It's on the surface, infinitely superior to hospitalizing, where you get SLOW results and can't let people go!

It's obvious! The game setup would not have this "obviously" inferior system of lynching unless the "obviously" better system of lynching is a SCREWWWWWWWJOB. Like being a naive investigator. That kind of screwjob. And don't think it would slip Earthling's brain to put that in the game. There's no reason ANYONE would hospitalize. Why not just systematically jail and release everyone? How bleeding simple is that?

And who has been saying DONT RELEASE VERARDE, who is actual scum, and who is saying HOSPITALIZE, HOSPITALIZE, HOSPITALIZE???

Why, me of course. Yes, that's why you find me "scummy".



Lack of murders? Town must be doing quite well then, eh?

But there's cults. They don't have to murder anyone, they can just assimilate people. They're going to win this game. That's why you've got few murders in the game. That's why seemingly disparate people are involved in the Scratchians group.

It makes perfect sense. And all the neutrals.... the neutrals are the recruitables, aren't they?

Cult, recruits neutrals.... "clears" themselves via the incompetent police detection system embedded into the "superior" and safer lynch method. Few murders happen at night. We go for quite a while and here we are, 14 rounds into the game, with 15 people still alive, and a bunch of murdered Scratchians.


Gah it's so simple. I should have figured this stuff out 5 bloody rounds ago.


Anyone who is actually a townie still, raise your hand please. I want to know if I should even bother, now that I see the deck is stacked. There's no winning hand here, is there? Even knowing the game is rigged?

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Couldn't recruit me because I wasn't neutral, eh?

Double-voter, for the town? Makes sense. You'll need it. Especially once the cult gets bigger.

Yes, I am your biggest threat mister cultists, aren't I? Now I see why you're willing to risk it all to make me die today. I got the voting power and I'm actually solving this thing.

Die, die, die die die.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

paulwhoisaghost (Scratchy)
Kennigit (Rich Uncle Skeleton)
Zack (Poochie)

Scratchy, I understand. Cult leader, perhaps.

Poochie? Rather odd character to be included in a Simpsons-based mafia game, given he was a one-shot character, but all right. A Scratchian mafia has to have someone in it besides Scratchy.

Rich Uncle Skeleton? Thats a cartoon, in-universe created by the same person who created Itchy and Scratchy. AFAIK that thing was seen ONCE, for a few seconds.

That character makes no sense. That smells like a recruit. It's too weird to be a starting character; that feels like a character that a normal "neutral" character got turned into by the Scratchy cartoon cult.

I'd bet you Kennigit started the game as a normal neutral non-cartoon character, and got turned into a cartoon by some sort of cult mechanism, probably literally a machine that alters people into cartoons. It's perfectly unexpected and diabolical enough to base a mafia game off of.

I wonder if Frink had something to do with this.

Professor Frink WOULD invent something that could turn real people into cartoons, because it is exactly that ridiculous.

Am I way out on a limb here? These are just guesses.