Skaven development thread

[Stormrage]

Even mrtn is back to "making" units Weeeee!

 

[mrtn]

You don't think the 3 I posted last month is enough to be counted as active, then?

 

[Stormrage]

I forgot, sorry

 

[DJ Bonebraker]

LMR: If you're referring to the Kamen Natril guy, I believe that was made by using the "gargoyle" morph for Mike 3 (part of the Head and body morph pack, which I DO have)... As for adding rodent teeth... I should be able to do that by using two modded cylinders or cubes, so, yeah.. now all I'd need to do is figure out what for texture to use, and see about maybe buying the DAZ M3 Monk robe...

 

[LMR]

thanks a lot Hikaro

short fur would be perfect for the texture, if that's possible

good conversion mrtn

now, should the brown clanrat upgrade to the grey clanrat, or vice versa? j/k

 

[aaglo]

Nope, I haven't had time to work with the rat tank lately (business trips and miscellaneous fun winter activities), but I'll get there in the not-so-distant future

In my opinion, there's only one "gripe" about the stormvermin/C'n'P-temple-guard: The weapon doens't look correct

 

[LMR]

well, YOU could make one if you wanted too!

can't wait for the rat tank!

 

[aaglo]

Concerning the stats of Skaven units (especially their -1HP-issue).
I agree with mrtn. Rather than decreasing their HP's, why not just decreasing their defense-value.
Nightrunner: 2-1-2
Clanrat: 2-3-2
Gutterrunner: 5-2-2
Rat swarm: 1-1-3, only -1HP

 

[mrtn]

I think that the "spearman skaven" should have 4 defense, I think it would be too unbalancing otherwise (a 6 attack swordsman wins 68% of the time over a fortified 3 defender, compared to 54% over a 4 defender). We could however decrease their attack value, make them 1/4/2.
I'd also like to base the Gutterrunner on the swordsmen, i e give it 6/3/2 instead.
This is assuming that it doesn't have a bow, does it?

 

[LMR]

the gutterrunner that i made was based on aaglo's Sneaky Git, so it is armed with two wickedly curved blades, especially designed for problem-free maiming and general carnage

 

[LMR]

i have the assassin set to the same stats as the dark elf assassin (6 attack, defence, special "assassin" flags)

so if the gutterrunner had 6/3/2, it would be upgraded to 6/2/3. is this a problem.

don't worry about the clanrat having -1 HP. it would make everything too unbalanced.

i still believe that the nightrunner should have -1 HP and be a scouting unit. -1 for the rat swarm is fine.

 

[aaglo]

I don't think it's a good idea for a basic warrior to be upgradeable to an assassin unit. It's just not cool at all.

 

[LMR]

so the assassin should be by itself?

Nightrunner (2/1/2, -1 HP ) > Gutterrunner (6/3/2) at Military Training
Clan Eshin Assassin (6/2/3, stealth attack etc.) at Assassination

i just thought of something. will the skaven have access to dragons?

 

[mrtn]

I don't think it's a good idea for a basic warrior to be upgradeable to an assassin unit. It's just not cool at all.

I agree.

Yes, they should get dragons, unless they have some other, similar unit they can get (like Chaos get demons...). Game balance, again.

I posted a brown clanrat.


Here are the Photoshop pallettes I made, they may be of some use for someone.

 

[LMR]

the skaven should get the vermin lord (see first page, several posts down)

they are kinda daemonic giant rat ogres

 

[LMR]

Okay, here's a comparision of the old stormvermin (dark grey) with the new (hint of brown)

whaddaya think (especially mrtn )

 

[Kyriakos]

Would you be interested in a Skaven city set?

 

[mrtn]

Okay, here's a comparision of the old stormvermin (dark grey) with the new (hint of brown)

whaddaya think (especially mrtn )

I think it should be both more brown (i e increase the saturation) and darker. The biggest reason I want it darker is that you see some spots in the tail, and those look very reptilian.

BTW, do you have any idea on how to make a Vermin Lord, or is that just a wet dream ATM?

 

[Stormrage]

Well, actually, the tail is the biggest issue with these skaven, for me atleast. Those are not rat tails... Rat tails are nekkid...

 

[LMR]

Vermin Lord could be made by C'n'Ping the Ushabti

@ varwnos: i made these cities for a upcoming scenario, but feel free to do your own if you want to