SKNES: Architecture of Aggression

To the Kingdom of Scotland
From Brythonia

You have several choices given to your brand new nation. Stay as you are and fight a massive Empire and Britain becomes less independent, stay as you are and fight the Holy Roman Empire, stay as you are and fight the Islamic nations of the South, or join in a union with your only free neighbors purely devoted to the Independence of our Islands. It is your choice. We do not require for you to change your religion, we do not require you to step down. In this time of bloodshed though, we would require control of your armies for around 100 years. This is to unite Scotland better, unite Britannia, and maybe even settle in other locations. What say you?
 
We do not require for you to change your religion
Either you will reject the lies of Loki
When the followers of Forn Sithr cannot agree on on their views of your beliefs, who is the liar here? When their ambassadors cut each other off; who is the lair here? When one claims you can keep your beliefs while the other will slay you for doing so... WHO IS THE LIAR HERE?

Are they truly united if their diplomacy is so very divided? Would you think yourself safe in such a union, where while one preaches brotherhood, the other aims for your back?

More relevant diplomacy sent via PM.
 
When the followers of Forn Sithr cannot agree on on their views of your beliefs, who is the liar here? When their ambassadors cut each other off; who is the lair here? When one claims you can keep your beliefs while the other will slay you for doing so... WHO IS THE LIAR HERE?

Are they truly united if their diplomacy is so very divided? Would you think yourself safe in such a union, where while one preaches brotherhood, the other aims for your back?

More relevant diplomacy sent via PM.
What you christians do not understand is that people can think differently. My version of Forn Sithr could be very different from their version. You clump us together out of pure spite. Brythonia is an independent nation that makes it's own situations and has it's own diplomacy. I will not have inbred christians cutting into my negotiations. Your aggressive behavior would be like the Empire of Midgard cutting into negotiations between Byzantium and Armenia.
 
What you christians do not understand is that people can think differently. My version of Forn Sithr could be very different from their version. You clump us together out of pure spite. Brythonia is an independent nation that makes it's own situations and has it's own diplomacy. I will not have inbred christians cutting into my negotiations. Your aggressive behavior would be like the Empire of Midgard cutting into negotiations between Byzantium and Armenia.
1) And you think I do not understand this because? I've negotiated with Muslims, Pagans, Forn Sithr, Idiots, Dolts, Cultists, and a number of others. All in a day's work.
2) Hmmm... how different would it be, exactly?
3) No, not out of spite, out of ignorance. It is rather hard to learn more about you when the only contact we have is of redneck peasants shouting slurs in public about the great united and unified Forn Sithr.
4) Indeed. So you are saying they should ally with you instead of directly with the Dominion? I wonder how the Empress will see this, as she is, as you say, seperated from your diplomatic choices.
5) Calling me inbred hurts. In my bloodline includes illustratious men from as far afield as Mesopotamia and the Baltic sea. (see backstory)
6) My behavior is in no way aggressive. How is asking a King to use his mind aggressive. Would thus asking him to NOT think count as not aggressive? You assume that all Christian actions are aggressive. Tell me this; Jutland attacked us aggressively to protect Forn Sithr within Aquitaine borders. But those Forn Sithr were actively inciting rebellion and revolt. They are supporting those who are seeking to destroy our nation, and felt justified in doing so. But these actions are defensive. Look upon Savoy and how they brutally crushed their Catholic citizens year after year; it was their citizens who swore loyalty to us and called us in aid. It was only when they were CRUSHED that they sought aid; not the other way around with the Forn Sithr in Aquitaine. Look upon Castile's aggression, which broke a treaty which denied aggression. In the end, their own people overthrew them. Look upon Byzantium and her murder of thousands, if not tens of thousands of Christians. And you call us aggressive to protect our brothers. You call us aggressive when we're FORCED to act in DEFENSE. You call us aggressive, you who murdered or scared nearly half of your people into submission on a wim.

Sure, I will fix our "aggression" right now.

To Scotland
Brythonia tells us that asking you to use your judgement is an aggressive action against their interests. Therefore, they advise us to tell you that you should not use your judgement. They feel that your judgement is contrary to their cause and their diplomatic efforts. Apparently truth can have many different versions, or so the Brythonian Wisdom says.
 
1) And you think I do not understand this because? I've negotiated with Muslims, Pagans, Forn Sithr, Idiots, Dolts, Cultists, and a number of others. All in a day's work.
2) Hmmm... how different would it be, exactly?
3) No, not out of spite, out of ignorance. It is rather hard to learn more about you when the only contact we have is of redneck peasants shouting slurs in public about the great united and unified Forn Sithr.
4) Indeed. So you are saying they should ally with you instead of directly with the Dominion? I wonder how the Empress will see this, as she is, as you say, seperated from your diplomatic choices.
5) Calling me inbred hurts. In my bloodline includes illustratious men from as far afield as Mesopotamia and the Baltic sea. (see backstory)
6) My behavior is in no way aggressive. How is asking a King to use his mind aggressive. Would thus asking him to NOT think count as not aggressive? You assume that all Christian actions are aggressive. Tell me this; Jutland attacked us aggressively to protect Forn Sithr within Aquitaine borders. But those Forn Sithr were actively inciting rebellion and revolt. They are supporting those who are seeking to destroy our nation, and felt justified in doing so. But these actions are defensive. Look upon Savoy and how they brutally crushed their Catholic citizens year after year; it was their citizens who swore loyalty to us and called us in aid. It was only when they were CRUSHED that they sought aid; not the other way around with the Forn Sithr in Aquitaine. Look upon Castile's aggression, which broke a treaty which denied aggression. In the end, their own people overthrew them. Look upon Byzantium and her murder of thousands, if not tens of thousands of Christians. And you call us aggressive to protect our brothers. You call us aggressive when we're FORCED to act in DEFENSE. You call us aggressive, you who murdered or scared nearly half of your people into submission on a wim.

Sure, I will fix our "aggression" right now.
What is the point of even talking to Christians? They never understand a thing and twist everything you say.
 
The point of talking to Christians is that we are not seeking to take anything from you; not your military rights, nor your religion, nor anything at all. Instead, we merely wish you to use your judgement. We are truly unbiased observers whose only desire is that you make a choice of your own.

@ Brythonia

Then explain.

How can I not understand how people can think differently when I do that all my life?
How can "Truth" have more than one version?
How can I separate you from the dominion when you are considered a full member (see stats)?
How can I be inbred if we have one of the most diverse bloodlines in history?
How can we be aggressive when we did nothing but defend the right to think? The right to brother hood? How can we be aggressive when all our actions are merely reactions to aggression?

Answer these questions and prove yourself a man of thinking ability. Or not and prove youself exactly like the town drunk who is sure he is right, and dismisses all who try to sober him up.
 
How can I not understand how people can think differently when I do that all my life?
How can "Truth" have more than one version?
How can I separate you from the dominion when you are considered a full member (see stats)?
How can I be inbred if we have one of the most diverse bloodlines in history?
How can we be aggressive when we did nothing but defend the right to think? The right to brother hood? How can we be aggressive when all our actions are merely reactions to aggression?
Then explain your statement that all Forn Sithr are the same.
OOC: Terrance -> SK screwcked up. He fixed me on the map. I specifically stated in my orders to not be clumped in with them yet he put me in anyways.
Never actually cared enough to look it up honestly.
How can we be aggressive when we have only crushed those who have attacked us?
How can we be aggressive when all our actions are in response to aggression?
 
OOC: Well then, that's me being confused and wasting over an hour writing diplo based on that confusion. :/ Fix the stats!

Still, answer my question, or I will challenge you to a duel. To the death.
 
OOC: Well then, that's me being confused and wasting over an hour writing diplo based on that confusion. :/ Fix the stats!

Still, answer my question, or I will challenge you to a duel. To the death.

Common confusion. Jutland even threw us in and treated us as a part of their conjoined empire. After we told them we wouldn't join. Too much unfinished business and conflicting interests.
 
In Brythonia, Forn Sithr started the rebellion against the Celtic Leadership. Started, as in, you know, aggressive actions? They did not fight until you started the fight. Indeed, they were for all intents trying to stay nuetral.
In Aquitaine, the Forn Sithr started revolts and rebellion against our rule. Started even before we begun targeting their dissidents directly. Started, as in, you know, aggressive actions? We are perfectly fine with religious minorities. But when the members of the Forn Sithr started taking advantage of the Jizya to brutally attack and convert our local Gallic Animists, with whom we had an understanding with, we of course have to respond.
Ask the people of Ireland of Jorvik. They were brutally attacked and converted to Forn Sithr, who started by invading them and taking their stuff and killing all who resisted. They didn't even know the EXISTANCE of forn sithr until its adherence started (to kill them), as in, you know, aggressive actions.

So, according to you, your aggressive actions are merely reactions to aggression.

How can a kingdom trying to stay nuetral and avoiding conflict committ aggression against you when they were in all aspects helping the Forn Sithr?
How can a religion that attacks the members of another religion using a loophole in the law, when that other religion is merely trying to survive without trouble not count as aggressive? How can a religion that is law abiding and does not murder for the lolz be aggressive enough to warrant religicide?
How can people who don't even know who are attacking them commit aggression against their previously unimagined attackers?

We've explained your desired answer; mere clerical errors. Now answer our questions, which as of now number 8.
 
In Brythonia, the Forn Sithr were attacked by the other faiths just because of their existence. So, Forn Sithr struck back. The leader of Brythonia, converted to Forn Sithr and the kingdom rose against him. To state that we started the aggressive behavior is a total lie.
The Celtic Nation that we recently destroyed? They declared war on us and attacked us during our civil war. The least honourable thing a nation can do. They forged deep into Southern Brythonia so, with the new armies built to crush the rebellion up North, we ambushed the Celtic armies deep inside Brythonia. So, we wiped out their army, and counter attacked without mercy.
What you are stating everywhere else is not the actions of my own kingdom, but the actions of others. You are basing your opinion of us off of the actions of OTHER kingdoms led by OTHER kings and OTHER peoples who are united now under ONE banner that doesn't include us.
 
Right then. VMs being dropped to those who have yet to send orders. Try to send them sometime this weekend - I'm not starting on the update until tomorrow.
If you didn't figure this out already, Update 7 will mark the beginning of a 3-4 week hiatus.

Orders in
Aquitaine (Terrance888)
Armenia (Lokki242)
Axum (DC123456789)
Badajoz (Mickzter97)
Brythonia (Gem Hound)
Jutland (thomas.berubeg)
Maghreb Caliphate (momo1000)
Poland (spaceman98)
Sicily (mythmonster2)
Taman (Bair_The_Normal)
Vandals (Grandkhan)
Venice (SamSniped)

Orders I need
Byzantium (Amon Savag)
France <nuke>
the Pope (erez87)
Tatars (Julius Gandi)
Zengids (TheLizardKing)

@Gem Hound: I read "vassalized" as "joining." Sorry about that.
 
So mythmonster does indeed get to retake Sicily, after I just took him out of it? Pretty crappy that I get my conqueror's rights trampled on.
 
So mythmonster does indeed get to retake Sicily, after I just took him out of it? Pretty crappy that I get my conqueror's rights trampled on.

Well, since there are/have been other players playing as vassals (Brythonia right now, Aquitaine for a while), I'm going to rule that mythmonster does get to play as Sicily. Plus what Terrance said in post 1031.
 
Any post of terrance's is smothered in failsauce.
 
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