SM4 - The Great War

Only had a chance to look at the save, the wrold is up Philo on Inda and will trade it to us. Going to try to get The Wheel/HBR/and Philo firs thing. Will ge to this tonight for sure. Last night I had to go out late (ok I didn't *have* to...). My better half wants to watch a movie :sleep: Hopefully it doen't suck. Will get to this afterwards.

I looked at save, India doesn't have Philosophy, so we may trade it first, and then offer it to India for The Wheel and maybe other techs. Reselling techs is the key for scientific lead at this difficulty level.
 
Preturn:
Trades and Techs: If we don’t take advantage of MWs now, when will we?
Notice we are behind Every visible tech besides Lit which we have due in 29 (19 at 100% research, too long). Inca is the only civ with CoL and we can’t afford it.
Inca, Zulu, and Persia, are up Philo and CoL on India
Purchase Philo from Zulu for 386g and 2gpt.
Purchase The Wheel and 2g from India for 15gpt
We do have Horses between Oil Springs and Salmanca.
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Trade Philo and 2gpt to India for HBR and 3g
Our Treasury before trades 387g 19gpt, and now 6g +1gpt
End result, Philo, Wheel, HBR for 381g and 18gpt. Hope I did the right thing, what else to do with this money :)
France does not have HBR or Math

Notes:
Strange, we are UP writing on France… Enough ogling, nothing we can do to take advantage of this.
Oil Springs is right up against the Indian border. Horses are in Oil Springs immediate borders. Only having read and not played Diety level games I take it this will eventually flip, maybe pointy stick research award goes to India? (they have 14 cities).
France has 13 cities remaining.

Wake Grand River E-Archer and kill French R-Archer in a 2 stack. (1-0)
Change Salmanca to MW in 1. Settler was due in 2, growth in 7
Change Niagara Falls to Settler, grows in 5 due in 5.
Change Grand River to MW.
HIT ENTER

IBT
France requests an audience, they just keep doing that!?
India started MoM of course

1 – 975 B.C.
Salmanca MW->MW
Allegheny Archer->MW
Attack another 2 stack of French R-Archers with our Elite and win (2-0)
Chop gives Niagra shields, Settler now in 3, growth in 3
Attack 2 stack of R-Archer with V-Archer, win (3-0)

IBT
France is coming hard with Archers

2 – 950 B.C.
Attack 3 stack R-Archer with V-Archer and win (4-0)
Attack solo R-Archer with E-Warrior and win (5-0)

IBT
Two R-Archers attack Grand river and lose to E-spear (7-0)
Notice French Archer been fortified in Incan land to heal up (does this mean ROP? I really don’t know, would assume yes)

3 – 925 B.C.
Attack 2 stack R-Archer with V-Archer and win (8-0)
Mm some due builds to net +4gpt for a turn

IBT
R-Archer attacks Grand River and loses to E-Spear… now known as BIFF
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4 – 900 B.C.
Niagra Falls Settler->MW
Grand River MW->MW
Bring GL to Salmanca to make an army, only 2 MW atm to put in it. 2 more due in 2 turns. I could mm Salmanca to get it in 1 but we would run at –gpt so I don’t.
Attack R-Archer with V-Archer and lose (8-1) then finish him off with E-Archer (9-1)

IBT
Zulu attacks Inca!
BEFORE
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AFTER
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5 – 875 B.C.
Attack 2 stack R-Archer with V-Archer and win (10-1)
Take a 2 stack R-Archers out with E-Archer and V-Archer (12-1)
Move settler to Ivory city. Going to attack Dijon first in stead of Avignon. The French just come too fierce with Archers to extend our army that far yet.
This game is too much for my feeble brain… Too much to think about :eek:
Mm build that are due next turn for gpt again

IBT
Zulu moving in force across us toward Inca

6 – 850 B.C.
Salmanca MW->MW
Allegheny MW->MW
Ivory City Archer->Spear
Kill R-Archer with V-Archer (13-1)

IBT
Zulu completes Great Wall

7 – 825 B.C.
Attack Dijon with Army and of course
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Raze Dijon (16-1)
Kill R-Archer with V-Archer (17-1)
Move Settler toward new home with escorts.

IBT
People want to build Heroic Epic… Want Want Want! It’s all they do is Want!
Inca hooks us up
Incan_Embassy.JPG


8 – 800 B.C.
Actually uneventful.

IBT
Also uneventful

9 – 775 B.C.
Grand River MW->MW
Ivory City Spear->MW
France caught up to the rest of the world in tech, this means cats and horses and a greater need to attack Avignon next for sure (they have horses there)
Settle Flatbush
Clear our lands with the Army and a V-MV (21-1)
Spend 41g on Embassy with India, put it in SPoiler because it's big, and not everyone cares to see em.
Spoiler :
Dehli_Embassy.JPG


IBT
Inca Demands our gold lol, all 7 of it. We cave.

10 – 750 B.C.
Salmanca MW->MW
Niagara Falls MW->Worker
Allegheny MW->MW

That’s all Folks!
There’s a Spear near Alegheny, he’s going to Fortify there to free up the Archer or E-Warrior.
You have 8 MW and a MW Army (fortified in Grand River 5/14) to start off, Homeland Security consists of 7 Spears and 7 Archers. There are a couple Warriors, 2 Elite even. They just kind of flounder around. There is a R-Warrior that sat in a town my whole set, really wanted to disband him but I spared his life and deemed him Leach-boy.
17 turns left on GA. Lit in 19 at +28gpt. Tech still cost a bunch, nobody will budge.
Of course we need Settlers and Workers as always.

The Final Pic
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The Save
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/106808/SM4_Cyllus_750_BC.SAV

Side Note about RNG, the way the AI trickles troops in it's quite simple to keep it well in the human's favor. Don't get so down on it :goodjob:
 
wow, most excellent turn :goodjob:

getting us a few key techs, a MW army, the GA...but where is France???

By the way, once we took out France, who will be the next target? It should be in order how we met them...anyone kept track?
 
France is to our North and Northeast and probably out of room to grow pressed up against the North Shore.
 
The Hit List:
  • France (met in 3350 BC) WAR, not dead yet
  • Incas (met in 2950 BC)
  • Zulus (met in 2750 BC)
  • India (met by 1675 BC)
  • Arabs (met in 1475 BC)
 
lurker's comment: Minimap... :scan:
 
By the way, are we the only ones having ivory now? If that would be the case, Zeus would be terrific
 
Probably yes, judging from the fact that 4 ivories are outside ivory city and flatbush.
 
Unfortunately right, Incan Ancient Cavalry taking on Impi all over our lands atm.
 
Pre-turn: Moved one citizen in Flatbush and in Grand river to grassland for faster growth (1 food per turn is too low). Switched Grand River to settler since it have only 2 improved tiles anyway.

IBT: Arabia declared war on Inca. More Zulu units are coming to our territory...
French archer redlined our MW and it retried.
Oil Springs: Barraks -> MW.

Turn 1 - 730 BC: Attacked 2hp archer on plains with elite archer and... elite archer took only 1 hp from him :mad: [0-1].
Finished that archer with veteran MW [1-1].
Everybody except India are in Middle Ages and their goverment is Monarchy.

IBT: Niagara Falls: Worker -> MW.

Turn 2 - 710 BC: Spearman and 2 archers moved to the hill, I have to attack them since there are 3 workers around.

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Killed spearman and two archers with army on that hill [4-1]
Attacked archer on other hill and promoted MW to elite [5-1]

IBT: Salamanca: MW -> MW; Grand River: Settler -> MW.

Turn 3 - 690 BC: Disbanded regular warrior in Niagara Falls since it is just a waste of 2 gpt. Also there would be huge waste of shields in that city without 2 shields from disband - now MW will be done in 3 turns instead of 4.
Killed Spearmen on hill with Army, one MW was promoted to elite. Killed 2 more archers with army and veteran MW. One more archer was killed by our archer, and other by MW [10-1]
Moved settler, army and some units to cleared hill, I'm going to attack Avignon and build city there. Three more MW's will be healed in one turn in Grand River.

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IBT: Warrior won vs archer, promoted to elite [11-1].
Ivory City and Allegheny: MW -> MW.

Turn 4 - 670 BC:
Killed archer on hill E from stack and moved all units there. I can see 2 french swords... Killed 3 more archers [15-1]

IBT: Arabia wanted 25 gold - Ok... French swordsman killed our spear [15-2]

Turn 5 - 650 BC: MW retried attacking spear. Other MW killed french sword and promoted to elite. Other MW died and redlined french sword [16-3]

IBT: MW and warrior were killed [16-5]. Salamanca, Niagara Falls: MW -> MW.

Turn 6 - 630 BC: Killed spear, 2 archers, sword without any loss [20-5].
There are too much Zulu units in our territory and they are Annoyed - I decided to build embassy in their capital. They are in Golden Age too:

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IBT: Lost one MW, Oil Springs have built one more MW [20-6]

Turn 7 - 610 BC: Killed two archers near Flatbush, lost one archer [22-7]. Killed spear and swordsman near Avignon [24-7].
Built new town on hill, fortified Army there for healing.

IBT: Grand River, Allegheny: MW -> MW.

Turn 8 - 590 BC: Lost archer redlining sword [24-8]. Moving some units, in two turns I will be able to attack Avignon.

IBT: Zulu demanded 25 gold. Salamanca and Ivory City have produced MW's.

Turn 9 - 570 BC: Almost nothing...

IBT:: France And Zululand have signed MA against Inca. French Sword killed our archer [24-9]. Our gpt deals expired and now our income is 63 gpt.

Turn 10: Attacking Avignon! Killed 2 swords and 2 spears, and razed the city. We got 3 slaves. I didn't moved other units, next player will be able to do it. We can attack those swords on mountain with army, or move slaves not directly to Great Lake.
With our power and MWs we can start playing offensive :woohoo:


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Save: SM4_550BC.SAV
 
ok, got it, let's hope we can expand
 
lurker's comment: OMG!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS A LOT OF IMPIS IN ZIMBABWE!!!!!!!!!! :eek:
On a side note, Inca appear to be the Rogue State. The might be destroyed before you kill France. :lol: In which case, you'll have to fight the Zulu... :sad:
On another side note, you should probably send a MW out to explore. That is a very small world map.
 
played 4 turns last night and 3 this morning...will finish tonight...just a quick update.

Bought lit and traded for 2 more techs hoping to open up some trading opportunities, which never happened. The AI is in the MA and sending maces, defending with pikes :(

However, managed to take 2 French cities and planted another. I will keep the French cities for now, the flip risk is pretty low and maybe we can eliminate them beforehand.
 
save

Pre-Turn
swap Grand River to settler, we want to grab that dye lux
see that Inca have no lit, get it from India for 10gpt and 130gold
then get mysticism and maths for lit +25gpt

had hoped that someone is down a tech but no :(
spent so much money
defeat 3 swords

IT lose exposed MW to a spear

1.530BC
move towards Cherbourgh

2.510BC
Arabs finish Hanging Gardens, French come with more units, they are no pushover with 12 cities
RnG sems to hate me as we retreat a MW and hen lose another aginst a 2hp spear on flat

3.490BC
the AI continue to lose units against each other and France brings in more stuff, Civs start Sun Tzu, so we have to face pikes soon
take Cherbourgh, but redline army...kill 4 swords that climbed that mountain

4.470BC
avenge a sword that took out a MW, pretty quiet now, army healing

5.450BC
first French mace is sighted
move troops east and heal

6.430BC
move next to Marseilles, on a hill with pikes...

IT Inca's get some break as Arabs sign peace
Zulu finish the GL...

7.410BC
need to increase lux to 10%
take out 3 units and mamange to take Marseilles, keep it for now as to be able to bring back our army.
we snatch slaves as well

IT The war at our doorstep continues
GA is over

8.390BC
found Gimme horses to get us another source
have to attack some more units

9.370BC
nothing much, move units forward, defeat a spear

IT good news as India and inca sign alliance against France

10.350BC
defeat a sword next to Marseilles, move out army and spot Paris
defeat 4 spears there losing no unit and we capture it for now
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we should try and get currency once the other deals expire...

our empire for now
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lurker's comment: Hmm. If I count right, France started 13 tiles from you.
What are all those Arab warriors doing next to Paris? :shifty:
 
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