So Inflation Is Killing Me - Video In Thread

[Dancing Hoskuld]

In science you have in increasing order of certainty "hypothesis", "law" and at the top "theory". Hypothesis are things you want to test. Laws and Theories have passed all the tests so far.

Finding cases which don't match Laws or Theories gives rise to hypothesis that are tested and may lead to modifications or new ideas. None of these match reality but move closer to it all the time.

Newton's Laws of gravity work and are applicable in most day to day stuff it is only as you approach the extremes of mass and velocity that Einstein's theories make any difference to calculations. Newton's Laws of gravity have not been replaced just supplemented by Einstein's theories.

 

[DC0]

Or woman could be raped or something, because there is no law and justice system

Oh no, no, no. There is law and justice in free society. As

Freedom for everyone means the strong will eat the weak for breakfast. The weak has no other choice just to form communities to defend themselves. The communities have rules so the members of the communities are not free. They have to obey the rules of the community. And if the community is strong enough it will prevent the strong individuals to harm the weak.

The difference of law and justice system between societies:
In free society, law and rules are equally applicable and enforced on every member.
In all other societies following rule overrules everything else: anything for friends of top leader, laws for the rest. That's exactly what is happening in contemporary Russia (Putin's accomplices effectively above the law). Same is happing in contemporary USA (Clintons, Obama above the law).

If you don't want money for single mothers from taxes, then how you will protect child future?

Same way it was done during entire human history: local community charity. Only local community can distinguish between genuine misfortune (woman was raped and gave birth to a child) and irresponsible behavior (women is a lowlife who_re, who spreads her legs for everyone for a drink of alcohol).
In first case community would support a child and a mother.
In latter case community would take away child from such mother and give him to adoption. At least child will get a chance to survive. And mother would be isolated from her bad habits into monastery, for example. To prevent her causing more troubles and expenses to the community.

 

[raxo2222]

Raxo this is all Old hat. It's been cussed and discussed for many many years. Your proclamation is no different than a BS Creationist or an Alien worshiper. So don't claim superiority when you can not prove it. And the fact is you can not prove any of what you are saying no matter how many Others you quote. Why? Because they can not do it either. So it becomes a belief system all based on conjecture, hypothesis, and theories. Just like the belief system for those others you put down.

Our Science is not proven nor perfect in any way. In fact time will expose most of what your are "preaching" as here say and be discounted as not knowing enough to know better.

Ah so I guess you just don't trust archeology and paleontology, when they declare, that something happened x years ago?
What would be good proof for you? Traveling back in time?
What about astrophysics, that declare Universe started 13.7 billions years ago or Earth was formed 4.5 billion years ago?
Generally if science says it happened X years ago, and no one finds even older samples matching description, then scientists stay at that date.
Actually its more of x+-10% or x+-50% years ago depending how many samples you managed to gather for analysis.

On other hand creationists and alien worshipers have NO proof at all.

I thought 200 000 BC (start of game) and 50 000 BC (date when calendar in game slows down) are based on anatomical and behavioral modernity of humans.
Behavioral modernity happened like in 50 000 BC. (40 000 - 50 000 BC)
Anatomically modern humans were existing in 200 000 BC. (200 000 - 300 000 BC)
Wikipedia articles are just repeating what science says.
Basically first one happened several tens thousands years ago and second one happened few hundred thousands years ago.
Agricultural revolution was like 10 000 BC +- 3000 years
Later end approaches to 6000 BC as date for Ancient era start in game.

Math is hardest of sciences.
Proving a^2 + b^2 = c^2 for example is one of easiest things to prove here.

 

[DC0]

There is no such thing as real communism, communism comes in all shapes and form

Your comments about how communism is this or that, and how you imply that communism is somehow related to the "quality of the soul", sounds to me like McCarthyism in practice.

The paragraph above would be very similar if I had been talking about any other kind of -ism than communism.

That's very marxist of you. Abstract rhetoric with no real life meaning.

Discard any argument as "personal opinion", which is "or so subjective".

Discard any real life example (a fact!) as "oh it was not real ...-ism".

And imply something your opponent said which he actually didn't. Like would you please quote where I write "communism is related to the "quality of the soul"?

What I say is marxism is harmful for real life. It's like having a relationship with inflatable sex doll instead of a woman. Compete waste.

 

[Usul13]

Oh no, no, no. There is law and justice in free society. As

The difference of law and justice system between societies:
In free society, law and rules are equally applicable and enforced on every member.

Again, it is a utopia. It sounds good in theory but you can't do it in practice.

The rich can pay big sums for an elite lawyer or multiple lawyers the poor can't so the rich can get off with much bigger offenses than the poor. A beutiful girl smiles on a young police officer, she can get away with things while an ugly fat guy can't. One police officer is dumb and aggressive so he will use brutal force in a situation where a smart and sophisticated police officer would be efficient with a couple of words. One judge is prejudiced against certain human types or against certain kind of criminals so he will do his work differently than another judge. I could go on.

People are flawed, people are different and there is no perfect system. One way or another some people are screwed. We should be equal but some people will always be more equal than others. We should try to build as just a system as we can but we should expect the worse because at the end probably only the power is what matters.

 

[Tajo]

Again, it is a utopia. It sounds good in theory but you can't do it in practice.

The rich can pay big sums for an elite lawyer or multiple lawyers the poor can't so the rich can get off with much bigger offenses than the poor. A beutiful girl smiles on a young police officer, she can get away with things while an ugly fat guy can't. One police officer is dumb and aggressive so he will use brutal force in a situation where a smart and sophisticated police officer would be efficient with a couple of words. One judge is prejudiced against certain human types or against certain kind of criminals so he will do his work differently than another judge. I could go on.

People are flawed, people are different and there is no perfect system. One way or another some people are screwed. We should be equal but some people will always be more equal than others. We should try to build as just a system as we can but we should expect the worse because at the end probably only the power is what matters.

Good post. It is very foolish to say the least to expect perfect systems from flawed humans. That's why world as a whole is not fair and never was. Likely it never will be.

 

[Usul13]

Same way it was done during entire human history: local community charity. Only local community can distinguish between genuine misfortune (woman was raped and gave birth to a child) and irresponsible behavior (women is a lowlife who_re, who spreads her legs for everyone for a drink of alcohol).
In first case community would support a child and a mother.
In latter case community would take away child from such mother and give him to adoption. At least child will get a chance to survive. And mother would be isolated from her bad habits into monastery, for example. To prevent her causing more troubles and expenses to the community.

You can't build a system on local communities only. Local communities won't be equal either.

There will be strong local communities, there will be poor local communities. There will be local communities where you have great agriculture but poor industry and vice versa. There will be local communities who would think that a thief should be punished with 10 days of jail, others would think that chopping off their hands would be better.

There will be lots of ways for the communities to hate each other and lots of reasons forces them to cooperate. This cooperation needs rules and avoiding wars between communities needs rules too and suddenly you have a country.

 

[Toffer90]

That's very marxist of you. Abstract rhetoric with no real life meaning.

Discard any argument as "personal opinion", which is "or so subjective".

Discard any real life example (a fact!) as "oh it was not real ...-ism".

All ideologies are abstract concepts. I disagree that the political system of the USSR and NK own and define communism. Communism is not a concrete political structure, the only real life examples of communism exist in peoples heads. The real life meaning of Marxism is quite evident in almost all countries today, especially in Europe. Many different ideologies define countries, but no country define any ideology.

And imply something your opponent said which he actually didn't. Like would you please quote where I write "communism is related to the "quality of the soul"?

You imply it here:

You base your arguments in favor of communism on idea of "ideal" man, deprived of any evils of the soul, who lives in ideal society, comprised of the same ideal people. Who are all the same.

I disagree with this characterization of what I've said. I even disagree in that I've expressed any favour of communism, Capitalism has its merits too imo, though I do personally lean more towards communism than capitalism.

What I say is marxism is harmful for real life. It's like having a relationship with inflatable sex doll instead of a woman. Compete waste.

We are all entitled to our opinions.
Scandinavians are quite happy with how Marxism has heavily influenced their societies, communistic political philosophy is used in political debates in Norway all the time.

 

[raxo2222]

Are there any real examples of anarchocapitalist countries, or at least ones with very lax economic regulations and almost nonexisting welfare?
Wasn't Somalia anarchocapitalist at certain period?

 

[DC0]

You can't build a system on local communities only.

Somehow our ancestors managed to do exactly that.
Difference in communities is natural, as all people are different.
For example, people inhabiting very fertile lands with warm and moist climate tend to be very lazy. Because nature does all work for them. I can call Abhazia and Montenegro right of top of my mind.

Wasn't Somalia anarchocapitalist at certain period?

Somalia cannot be a capitalist society. Not until average IQ rises at least to 95. They have somewhere around 75 now.
Such low IQ prevents people from honoring deals, deprives the ability to plan and defer gratification. Therefore they can't invest.

 

[DC0]

Are there any real examples of anarchocapitalist countries, or at least ones with very lax economic regulations and almost nonexisting welfare?

My guess USA right after they got independence is the closest.

 

[Usul13]

Somehow our ancestors managed to do exactly that.

Except our ancestors wasn't able to send thermonuclear weapons to the other side of the planet. Our ancestors didn't spill thousands of tons of chemichals into the air, water or ground. Our ancestors didn't use communication satellites or didn't try to send people to the Moon or Mars. Our ancestors didn't design and didn't make huge commercial airplanes, aircraft carriers, nuclear power plants, super tankers etc.

There are things that you can't do locally, there are problems that you can't solve locally.

I think I reached the point where there is no sense to continue the conversation so I'm out.

 

[tmv]

My guess USA right after they got independence is the closest.

I think the most libertarian (big) country so far was France from 1830 to 1848 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_Monarchy).

 

[JosEPh_II]

I think I reached the point where there is no sense to continue the conversation so I'm out.

I think the whole thread has reached this point. It needs to be closed. It is no longer relevant to the OP's question.

 

[Noriad2]

The problem with abstract ideologies is that they either cannot be implemented, or they are used as a distraction to beautify or hide the real agenda.

 

[raxo2222]

Tl;DR: Abstract ideologies doesn't work in real life.
Well maybe except international radical centrism.

Thread can be closed.

 

[DC0]

Except people are still able to help other locally through private charities.
And except some private company recently launched it's owner's car into space. Locally.
You are obviously out of arguments, so yes, thread can be closed

Oh. And it's not people, who start the wars. It's always governments.

 

[raxo2222]

Shame that Anarcho Communism doesn't exist
It is one of Libertarian Socialism ideologies.
Anrcho-capitalists would be pure libertarians and communist would be authoritarian socialist.
USA is firmly on Authoritarian Capitalist side.
European countries would be scattered across political center.
You can be Democracy/Republic even if you are Authoritarian.

Politics are in two dimensions at least.

 

[Tajo]

through private charities

If one wants to do charity, best possible way is to give straight to the one that is close and really in need. No middlemen leeches, no bs, no very likely possibilities of scamming. The big players and facets that try to tempt you with pictures of large eyed hungry children in tv... don't fall for those. Always a scam.

 

[Usul13]

Except people are still able to help other locally through private charities.
And except some private company recently launched it's owner's car into space. Locally.
You are obviously out of arguments, so yes, thread can be closed

Oh. And it's not people, who start the wars. It's always governments.

I'm no out of arguments. I just see that we can't learn anything from each other so it's a waste of time.