So long CiV

[clif9710]

I play them both, and love them both. They're both strategy, but they're both VERY different kinds of strategy...

Abraxis, thanks for your comparison of the two games. It's posts like yours that really help those of us who are considering other software. I confess I hadn't even heard of the other game and will have to check it out.

I sure don't need more immersion. Civ puts me into another time dimension where hours go by like minutes. I was up until 4:30am three times this week...but I won! Then I resolve to get my life back only to find, about a day later, myself getting the itch to play, because each game is a new situation. Fortunately, I'm retired, or I'd have to uninstall Civ.

 

[reddishrecue]

Well thanks for letting us know guys. Please do keep us updated about which other games you are playing on this Civilization forum. In other news, I had an orange today for breakfast and I may have either an apple or another orange for breakfast tomorrw. Don't wanna derail the thread, so I'll make a different thread when I do choose

I didn't mean to say that I was leaving. However, I did mean to say that I also play other games sometimes and different genres. I had an orange this morning too.

 

[LoneRebel]

Well, if one makes a thread with a name like this, some people are really going to think one is trolling. For the record, I play Paradox games a LOT, especially Hearts of Iron and Victoria, and I never felt the need to post that on this forum. Until now anyway.

 

[Sharples]

To me it's like Fate Of The World, It's hard to understand with all the information.

But otherwise fun and interesting with an army of knowledge.

 

[isau]

I tried EU4. Have never been so underwhelmed by a game interface that is seemingly completely uninterested in explaining what is going on moment to moment or what the player is supposed to be doing. Maybe there's a great game in there, but 10+ hours of play later I don't even know what kind of game it's supposed to be. From my perspective it might as well be called Sheer Brick Wall the Game. In the time it takes to figure out what is going on I could have learned a new programming language. Civ is not a perfect game but it's at least apparant to most people fairly quickly how it is supposed to be played.

 

[JustinianIV]

Currently trying Crusader Kings 2, which is practically the same game mechanics wise. At first I thought it made CiV look like a kids game, but it has given me a new appreciation for civ. I'm not saying that one is better than the other, but boy do they fulfill different needs. There is indeed overlap, but they each feel organic in their own way.

 

[Walter R]

I tried EU4... it might as well be called Sheer Brick Wall the Game.

He He - I'd never heard of EU4 but this comment had me chortling!

 

[JustinianIV]

I didn't mean to say that I was leaving. However, I did mean to say that I also play other games sometimes and different genres. I had an orange this morning too.

The title of "so long..." does imply that you are not to play CiV again. Still, it would be nice if we had an off-topic forum where we can discuss other games and how they relate to Civ.

 

[Heretiv]

Yes, well done.

The EU games will keep you busy.

Also try Crusdaer Knights

And 'Victoria'

for mind- melding levels of detail in your strategy game.

then come back and play Civ for something that looks great and has a smoother UI

 

[Mudrac]

It's nothing like that at all . You're just looking at the screen, seeing numbers you don't understand and getting intimidated. To be honest, Civ probably requires more mathematical predilection than EU does. The numbers are really just there because the game goes out of its way to be transparent in that regard. You could probably replace every positive number with the word "More" and negative number with the word "Less" and still be able to play the game just fine.

For me EU 3 was that. EU IV has a beautiful map and interface. It ain't very hard to understand. You should see some of their older games. Oh boy...

Although I know what you are referring to. You mean it's better to have a game with nice UI, easy to access and easy to understand, but hard to master. I also love those kind of games definitely. But EU IV is not like that, concealing it's simple nature under a lot of numbers, it isn't that kind of game. It surely is not that complex as it looks like, once you get grasp of things, but it still is a deep game, just like Civ 5 is.

 

[Civking5]

I also recently started playing paradox games EU4 and CS2 after I burned out myself with civ5 ( over 2000 hours of game play), and I found both EU4 and CS 2 very good games. I also have to give a big tumps up to EU4's music, really good stuff! Also especial thanks goes to steam sales, probably I wouldn't get these games with all dlcs if it wasn't for steam sales.

 

[PrimoXanthous]

Eh. It looks good, but it's too complex for a n00b to just jump into it

^ this. that's the very reason why after 5 hours of trying to know how to play it, I quit.

 

[Mudrac]

I also have to give a big tumps up to EU4's music, really good stuff! Also especial thanks goes to steam sales, probably I wouldn't get these games with all dlcs if it wasn't for steam sales.

Especially the opening theme, really sets the epic tone of the game.

 

[Autoclave]

In civ i can see clearly the choices i am being subjected to. And identifying the opportunity costs isnt't so much difficult. In EU i dont understand crap, there is little intuitive stuff with tons of variables that overwhelm me jst for the sake of overwhelming.

 

[Abraxis]

For me EU 3 was that. EU IV has a beautiful map and interface. It ain't very hard to understand. You should see some of their older games. Oh boy...

Although I know what you are referring to. You mean it's better to have a game with nice UI, easy to access and easy to understand, but hard to master. I also love those kind of games definitely. But EU IV is not like that, concealing it's simple nature under a lot of numbers, it isn't that kind of game. It surely is not that complex as it looks like, once you get grasp of things, but it still is a deep game, just like Civ 5 is.

That is precisely what I meant, you're pretty eloquent for an Orc.

Glad somebody agrees though

 

[Mudrac]

you're pretty eloquent for an Orc.

Yo, mate you are talking to Warchief Thrall, leader of the Orchish Horde. The one that brought new land and prosperity to his people. I am not some simple Peon.

 

[feelfreetodie]

i bought sengoku for $2.50 steam sale, tried ck2 demo. i didnt like the idea of only controlling 4 or 5 provinces and watching the game play itself. dont really know if eu4 is the same. not my thing.
civ5? cant wrap my head around this game either. i like war games and find civ5 to be too negative towards war.
loved totalwar games, too bad they screwed the pooch with rome2.
galciv2 was also another great game. cant wait for 3rd installment later this year.

 

[reddishrecue]

You could say so long civ but then you could come back, so there's no use in saying so long civ since you can come back.

 

[pezit]

Funny thing is that EU4 is far easier than civ5 imo, it just seems complicated when you're new.

I think CK2 is the far better game if you like paradox games(with ck2+).

 

[s8g]

Currently trying Crusader Kings 2, which is practically the same game mechanics wise. At first I thought it made CiV look like a kids game, but it has given me a new appreciation for civ. I'm not saying that one is better than the other, but boy do they fulfill different needs. There is indeed overlap, but they each feel organic in their own way.

This. Although CK2 is quite different, it's more of an RPG...