devilhunterred
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There was a survey I don't know how long ago in Britain, people from every household are asked about which religion they are practicing. I think about 5% of the people answered Jedi or the Force
So why is Confucianism a relgion?
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There was a survey I don't know how long ago in Britain, people from every household are asked about which religion they are practicing. I think about 5% of the people answered Jedi or the Force
There was a survey I don't know how long ago in Britain, people from every household are asked about which religion they are practicing. I think about 5% of the people answered Jedi or the Force
I know. There are also people who call Scientology a religion. Seeing as it is in fact treated as a religion in many countries I best not speak ill of it. But still... despite my views, it is more rightly described as a religion than algebra. Jedi or the Force are entirely reasonable as religions, as is Pastafarianism (also known as FSMism) - the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
I suppose one thing about algebra that sort of excludes it from religions is that it requires no faith. It cannot be proved wrong.
Justy
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PaulisKhan
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When Civ 5 introduces and distinguishes between philosophies AND theist religions we can argue about how to classify things, but until then aren't we in agreement that including as much as possible from all major cultures is a good thing?
Why would someone want to see such a significant part of eastern culture excluded from the game in what is probably the only way it can be implemented under the current ruleset?
Why would someone want to see such a significant part of eastern culture excluded from the game in what is probably the only way it can be implemented under the current ruleset?
Because they can prove (or try to prove) they learned something in school. How it affects the game is not important.
But results that are correct by definition need not be verified. In that way, algebra and indeed most mathematics is not really a science either. Calling algebra a religion might as well be the same as calling logic a religion.
Dida
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This is the dumbest argument I have ever heard. So since belief in dharma and reincarnation can be trace to ancient Indian culture before Buddha, Buddhism is not a religion? Or, put it differently, belief in an all-powerful god can be traced to cultural traditions long before Jesus, Christianity is not a religion? As long as Confucianism includes these religious features it is a religion, no matter whether these features are originally Confucian. Also let me point out to you the shocking revelation that Confucianism did not start with Confucius, rather it is a continuation of a tradition that existed in China long before his time. Confucius himself professed to teach the "ways of the ancestors" and that he only describes the scriptures without adding anything of his own creation. Confucianism in Chinese means the way of the Ru. Ru first appeared in late Shang dynasty as those who specialized in funeral services.
Confucianism is most definitely a religion, complete with its own moral code of conduct, gods and religious rituals. Many deities are mistakenly labeled as Daoist because Confucianism and Daoism share a common root. Most deities worshiped in Chinese folk religion are actually Confucian, such as the very popular Guan Yu and Ma Zu, people do not think these deities as Confucian simply because Confucianism is so ingrained in Chinese way of life that it is not very often looked upon as a religion. Most essential to Confucianism in my opinion is not ancestral worship or worship of folk deity, but rather the emperor's worship of Heaven and Earth because this bodies Confucian belief about the relationship between heaven earth and people For more detail see the link: http://www.jstor.org/pss/592317
I hope people would cite to more legit sources, rather than laughable articles from Wikipedia.
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how about Haruhism
Don't. You. Dare.
Thank you. I completely agree that Whateverpedia is not a sufficient source to hold up an argument.
TheMeInTeam
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Thank you. I completely agree that Whateverpedia is not a sufficient source to hold up an argument.
What about dictionary.com and webster? Not good enough either
?
What about dictionary.com and webster? Not good enough either
lol actually I'm not a big fan of Webster. I don't see why it was necessary to create another version of the English language. I have to laugh when I install software these days that asks for me to choose the language. Often it looks like:
-U.S. (English)
-Francais
-Deutsche
-etc.
Also, since the role of a dictionary is to take the definitions that are acceptable to a wide number of people, it's hard for a dictionary site to be 'illegit', if you will.
TheMeInTeam
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That's good material then. Confucianism certainly fits several of the definitions of religion that exist in multiple dictionaries. I don't see the holes in the argument for its inclusion in civ IV then...it fits definition-wise and in terms of # of followers...and in terms of historic significance.
Part of me wishes they were all pushed up. Sure, "choose religions" can change which 2-3 religions dominate per game, but I'd like to see a greater variety in games...where say sometimes 2 religions take over as currently happens, but in other games even 5-6 are viable and cause a lot more hatred.
Part of me wishes they were all pushed up. Sure, "choose religions" can change which 2-3 religions dominate per game, but I'd like to see a greater variety in games...where say sometimes 2 religions take over as currently happens, but in other games even 5-6 are viable and cause a lot more hatred.
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what is wrong with Haurhism
it advocate for peace
Spoiler :
Actually, nothing really. I feel that particular anime is overrated (I watch way more anime than people who know me would typically catch me admitting). It was, nevertheless, a decent show and it made what would have seemed an awkward concept work.
Ah, but, the discussion has already gotten crazy enough without throwing in things from different sources/genres
.I belive in logic, hence i am religious?
Yes it's possible to argue that even the most basic of logical structures require some faith. Studying logic can be fascinating and at the same time confusing.
Honestly this discussion reminds me of the of the two 'Go God Go" episodes of South Park.
"We cannot tolerate the otters! Their science is flawed. Their answer to the great question is different from ours."
and such classics as...
"Careful, son. Just because their science leads them to a different answer to the great question doesn't mean we have the right to kill them all."
"No. Our answer to the great question is the only logical one. Our science is great. Let us not forget the great Richard Dawkins who finally freed the world of religion long ago. Dawkins knew that logic and reason were the way of the future. But it wasn't until he met his beautiful wife, that he learned using logic and reason isn't enough - you have to be a dick to everyone who doesn't think like you."
BarrageQueen
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I think Confucianism is an appropriate choice for a religion in the game.
A religion can be a personal belief only, without the congregational aspect of it. However, all the major religions of the world are congregational. Well, it makes sense doesn't it? The religious meme really couldn't propagate itself so well without the systematic gatherings.
The fella who got justifiably criticized above for saying that only those with churches are religions did make a valid point in this way, probably accidentally however. Confucian temples abound, and as a place of congregation naturally. So Confucianism really is a system of beliefs with a strong congregational aspect. And since the game that we play is Civilization, the social aspect of religion is indeed the pertinent barometer for inclusion in the game.
I quite like how the game does religion actually. Temples as places of gathering, bigger temples, and monasteries for training priests. It all makes sense. As for the original poster's point. I do understand that the notion of deity and afterlife may not be as strong in Confucianism as in other systems of beliefs. But calling it a religion like the other ones in the game is just simpler than saying "religion and Confucianism" !
A religion can be a personal belief only, without the congregational aspect of it. However, all the major religions of the world are congregational. Well, it makes sense doesn't it? The religious meme really couldn't propagate itself so well without the systematic gatherings.
The fella who got justifiably criticized above for saying that only those with churches are religions did make a valid point in this way, probably accidentally however. Confucian temples abound, and as a place of congregation naturally. So Confucianism really is a system of beliefs with a strong congregational aspect. And since the game that we play is Civilization, the social aspect of religion is indeed the pertinent barometer for inclusion in the game.
I quite like how the game does religion actually. Temples as places of gathering, bigger temples, and monasteries for training priests. It all makes sense. As for the original poster's point. I do understand that the notion of deity and afterlife may not be as strong in Confucianism as in other systems of beliefs. But calling it a religion like the other ones in the game is just simpler than saying "religion and Confucianism" !
i would have prefer religion and philosphy
