AndrewN
Prince
Its been 24 hours and no responce from Kaiser_Berger, shall I take it
SOR01 - Special OCC
- Thread starter soren
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AndrewN
Prince
Got it 
AndrewN
Prince
Inherited turn. We get TOG next turn and can swap to Newtons.
Looking round Korea, Aztecs and India are up Navigation.
IBT
TOG in, start Mag in 7 @100%
1) 1140AD
Swap Constantinople to Newtons wasting 23 shields.
Use worker to clear last forest.
IBT
We complete Newtons
Constantinople Newtons -> barracks
2) 1150AD
We now make 368 beakers at 100% science, mag due in 5.
Constantinople now has 78 culture per turn. I make that another 168 turns to complete which by my rough calculation is 1866AD. Wew still have a number od buildings to double which will bring victory closer
3) 1160AD Nothing
IBT
Constantinople grows barracks -> knight
4) 1170AD
There is some money about. I want it
Physics to Korea for Silks, Incense, Navigation, 90gpt and 60g
Physics to Aztecs for Dyes, WM, 35gpt and 11g (all their money)
Physics to India for WM, 140g and 15gpt
Physics to Portugal for WM, 34g and 9gpt (all their money)
Inca and Babylon have no money so they don't get anything.
IBT
Polution strkies Constantinople
5) 1180AD nothing
IBT
Aztecs and India sign peace treaty
Koreans start Smiths
6) 1190AD
Mag due next turn, science down to 10%
Economics is now know by all 4 civs in second place.
IBT
Korea declare war on India.
India starts Smiths
Mag in and we enter next age. We learn steam as our new tech. I start Industrialization due in 9
Constantinople knight -> worker
Palace expands. Its a bit small so I add a new wing.
Portugal starts Bach's and Magellan's
7) 1200AD
Coal. As expect we have none. A look round the map shows Korea has 2, Inca has 1, Aztec has 3 and thats it. At least we can trade for it.
IBT
Constantinople worker -> worker
Inca start magellan's
8) 1210AD
We are actually paying unit upkeep
IBT
Constantinople worker -> Bach's (prebuild)
Aztecs and Portugal start Smiths
9) 1220AD nothing
It suddenly occurs to me that Constantinople is now size 12. That was stupid
IBT Inca want to talk - TM for TM. OK
10) 1230AD nothing
IBT
India wants to talk - Alliance v Korea and ROP. I offer to swap TM instead.
11) 1240AD
For the first time a ship appears. It is India come to vist
12) 1250AD nothing
13) 1255AD
Pollution cleared and Constantinople grows.
IBT
India starts Magellan's
14) 1260AD nothing
IBT
Aztecs come round for a drink. They offer Economics for TOG. Sorry but no.
We lose our supply of spices, wines, iron and horses.
15) 1265AD
Industrilisation due next turn, science down to 50%
IBT
Industrialization in, set to Electricity in 10 @100%
16) 1270AD
You need iron for a factory. Doh! Industrialization was one turn too late
Aztecs and Inca already have mag so mag goes to Korea for iron, econ, WM and 17g.
Constantinople set to Factory and hurried for 436g
IBT
Factory in, start US (prebuild for TOE)
17) 1275AD nothing
IBT
India and aztecs advance to the Industrial age. Neither are scientific but Korea are. Have to see what tech they come up with when they advance
18) 1280AD nothing
IBT
Aztecs decalre war on Portugal
19) 1285AD nothing
20) 1290AD
Constantinople grows
Notes:
I cant remember the last time I played a turn so badly. If I hadn't let Constantinople shrink to size 12 then we may have got industrilization 1 turn earlier and then not had to trade again for iron. It also occurs to me I could have brought Iron rather than trading a tech for it.
Korea has salt (at last). I haven't done the deal but they will accept 9gpt for it. We can then upgrade our spear to musket. We can't get cavarly as nobody has the tech.
We are up only 2 techs on India and Aztecs and 3 on Korea. The others are further behind.
Constantinople is size 14 and grows every 5 turns. We make 28spt and 400 science per turn. It will not be until we hit size 19 that any unhappy people will appear. According to my rough calculations the prebuild will be about 600 shields just as we get TOE. We could then go AT, Electronics and start Hoover dam.
We now have over 6000 gold in the bank and make +149gpt from other civs.
SAVE
Looking round Korea, Aztecs and India are up Navigation.
IBT
TOG in, start Mag in 7 @100%
1) 1140AD
Swap Constantinople to Newtons wasting 23 shields.
Use worker to clear last forest.
IBT
We complete Newtons
Constantinople Newtons -> barracks
2) 1150AD
We now make 368 beakers at 100% science, mag due in 5.
Constantinople now has 78 culture per turn. I make that another 168 turns to complete which by my rough calculation is 1866AD. Wew still have a number od buildings to double which will bring victory closer
3) 1160AD Nothing
IBT
Constantinople grows barracks -> knight
4) 1170AD
There is some money about. I want it
Physics to Korea for Silks, Incense, Navigation, 90gpt and 60g
Physics to Aztecs for Dyes, WM, 35gpt and 11g (all their money)
Physics to India for WM, 140g and 15gpt
Physics to Portugal for WM, 34g and 9gpt (all their money)
Inca and Babylon have no money so they don't get anything.
IBT
Polution strkies Constantinople
5) 1180AD nothing
IBT
Aztecs and India sign peace treaty
Koreans start Smiths
6) 1190AD
Mag due next turn, science down to 10%
Economics is now know by all 4 civs in second place.
IBT
Korea declare war on India.
India starts Smiths
Mag in and we enter next age. We learn steam as our new tech. I start Industrialization due in 9
Constantinople knight -> worker
Palace expands. Its a bit small so I add a new wing.
Portugal starts Bach's and Magellan's
7) 1200AD
Coal. As expect we have none. A look round the map shows Korea has 2, Inca has 1, Aztec has 3 and thats it. At least we can trade for it.
IBT
Constantinople worker -> worker
Inca start magellan's
8) 1210AD
We are actually paying unit upkeep
IBT
Constantinople worker -> Bach's (prebuild)
Aztecs and Portugal start Smiths
9) 1220AD nothing
It suddenly occurs to me that Constantinople is now size 12. That was stupid
IBT Inca want to talk - TM for TM. OK
10) 1230AD nothing
IBT
India wants to talk - Alliance v Korea and ROP. I offer to swap TM instead.
11) 1240AD
For the first time a ship appears. It is India come to vist
12) 1250AD nothing
13) 1255AD
Pollution cleared and Constantinople grows.
IBT
India starts Magellan's
14) 1260AD nothing
IBT
Aztecs come round for a drink. They offer Economics for TOG. Sorry but no.
We lose our supply of spices, wines, iron and horses.
15) 1265AD
Industrilisation due next turn, science down to 50%
IBT
Industrialization in, set to Electricity in 10 @100%
16) 1270AD
You need iron for a factory. Doh! Industrialization was one turn too late
Aztecs and Inca already have mag so mag goes to Korea for iron, econ, WM and 17g.
Constantinople set to Factory and hurried for 436g
IBT
Factory in, start US (prebuild for TOE)
17) 1275AD nothing
IBT
India and aztecs advance to the Industrial age. Neither are scientific but Korea are. Have to see what tech they come up with when they advance
18) 1280AD nothing
IBT
Aztecs decalre war on Portugal
19) 1285AD nothing
20) 1290AD
Constantinople grows
Notes:
I cant remember the last time I played a turn so badly. If I hadn't let Constantinople shrink to size 12 then we may have got industrilization 1 turn earlier and then not had to trade again for iron. It also occurs to me I could have brought Iron rather than trading a tech for it.
Korea has salt (at last). I haven't done the deal but they will accept 9gpt for it. We can then upgrade our spear to musket. We can't get cavarly as nobody has the tech.
We are up only 2 techs on India and Aztecs and 3 on Korea. The others are further behind.
Constantinople is size 14 and grows every 5 turns. We make 28spt and 400 science per turn. It will not be until we hit size 19 that any unhappy people will appear. According to my rough calculations the prebuild will be about 600 shields just as we get TOE. We could then go AT, Electronics and start Hoover dam.
We now have over 6000 gold in the bank and make +149gpt from other civs.
SAVE
soren
The Existentialist
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If Kaiser_Berger doesn't respond within 24 hours, then the next player, Grimjack, will play next. If Kaiser_Berger does show up, he'll play and Grimjack play play after him. We skipped KB last time since he was on break or something, and it's possible he still is. I just want everyone participlating, but I don't want to lag on.
K. Will wait.
Getting workers out is more important than having an extra tech. If we miss a wonder because of getting pollution, we will feel somewhat miffed I guess.
Also, we cannot really count on getting the wonders unless we keep our monopoly on the techs, as the AIs may start to get SGLs about now.
Grimjack
Getting workers out is more important than having an extra tech. If we miss a wonder because of getting pollution, we will feel somewhat miffed I guess.
Also, we cannot really count on getting the wonders unless we keep our monopoly on the techs, as the AIs may start to get SGLs about now.
Grimjack
AndrewN
Prince
The AI has already started getting techs before us, they got Navigation and Economics first and I assume they will get Mil Trad as well.
We are certain to get TOE first as they can't research the tech fast enough to stop us (with the pre build) and the boost from this should get us Hoovers (if we take AT and Electronics) as again we are far enough ahead they can't get the tech in time.
After this it is getting difficult as the tech leaders will probably have caught up by then so we need to look at securing the UN. If we get the chance we would win the vote as everybody
us, but if we don't build the UN it won't matter as we will not even be on the ballot.The main problem is every time one of the AI's gets a new tech it sells it around before we can do anything. We have enough cash to see us through but getting the other techs is going to get more and more difficult
AndrewN
Prince
I did think of this, but as I am not an expert in either OCC or tech stealing it seems increadbly risky which is why I didn't mention it.
Plus, of course, our city is set up for science not cash. Wew still haven't built our market place yet.
As far as I can see the only wonder we must get is the UN and apart from building TOE and Hoovers we can drift to the victory buying the techs we need at last or swapping with the lagging AI's.
yoshi74
Tourist from Mars
Being communist would cut our income in half. Not a good thing to eigther do self research or buy something. And spy missions are dangerous (and expensive).
Sor01-1290AD SHort and Longterm plans: Get as close to UN as possible. Do not entangle in unnecessary warfare.
1300AD I will let workers continue to build fortresses until such a time as wehn I can let them build rails.
1305
1310 Babs start Smiths and Magellans, We lose three luxes, but our population do not care very much.
1315 Aztecs complete Magellans, Aztecs not surprisingly went the Nationalism way. We would want this tech somehow, but Steam is not enough.
1320 As we get ELectricity, we nail UN, as Geminus appears. He will be fortified in glorious Constantinople, waiting for his time to appear.
I get Nationalism + 4 gpt and 11 gold for STeam from Aztecs.I also buy coal from him for 166 gold.
1325 I could sell Industrialization to Korea for 244 gpt, but I see no reason to hurry their tech pace.
I will wait until we have Theory before selling techs.
1330
1335
1340
1345 Portugal and Aztecs sign peace.
1350 Believe it or not, but our breakthrough in Medicine spawns Empedocles the great dam builder. Thats Hoovers in a sack as well
Game over as long as we do not go to war, and likely even if we only have peace for another 15 turns.
I will hand over the game here, so you other people can play as well
I have not looked for workers this turn.
Just pay techs for resources after you have secured Theory. We can be really really rich.
Save is here.
Grimjack
1300AD I will let workers continue to build fortresses until such a time as wehn I can let them build rails.
1305
1310 Babs start Smiths and Magellans, We lose three luxes, but our population do not care very much.
1315 Aztecs complete Magellans, Aztecs not surprisingly went the Nationalism way. We would want this tech somehow, but Steam is not enough.
1320 As we get ELectricity, we nail UN, as Geminus appears. He will be fortified in glorious Constantinople, waiting for his time to appear.
I get Nationalism + 4 gpt and 11 gold for STeam from Aztecs.I also buy coal from him for 166 gold.
1325 I could sell Industrialization to Korea for 244 gpt, but I see no reason to hurry their tech pace.
I will wait until we have Theory before selling techs.
1330
1335
1340
1345 Portugal and Aztecs sign peace.
1350 Believe it or not, but our breakthrough in Medicine spawns Empedocles the great dam builder. Thats Hoovers in a sack as well
Game over as long as we do not go to war, and likely even if we only have peace for another 15 turns.
I will hand over the game here, so you other people can play as well
I have not looked for workers this turn.
Just pay techs for resources after you have secured Theory. We can be really really rich.
Save is here.
Grimjack
yoshi74
Tourist from Mars
Got it. Looks great this far
[edit] one exeption: the link is dead and i cant find the save in the upload folder. Can you check this, Grimjack?
[edit2] its in the upload7 folder, so i have it now. The uploader still says he put things into upload6, which is wrong!
[edit] one exeption: the link is dead and i cant find the save in the upload folder. Can you check this, Grimjack?
[edit2] its in the upload7 folder, so i have it now. The uploader still says he put things into upload6, which is wrong!
AndrewN
Prince
Did I read this correctly? We got 2 SGL with consecutive techs [dance]
We should be able to get Hoovers with a pre build, should we consider rushing something else like Bach's? It won't make much difference to our position but I will bring the win closer.
We should be able to get Hoovers with a pre build, should we consider rushing something else like Bach's? It won't make much difference to our position but I will bring the win closer.
yoshi74
Tourist from Mars
Wonderfull times or Three in a row 
@AndrewN: adready done!
Heres the log:
Preturn check:
Universal Suffrage done in 10 turns.
Scientific Method done in 9 turns.
Two SGL sitting ready for action.
Seems like i will build 3 wonders in 20 turns, Thanks Grimjack!
I'am slightly worried by the mood of our neigbour india. I think i will be a little bit generous and gift him our WM and 100gp. Don't hurts us much. We cant build military for the next 12 turns at least.
I also buy spices from him for 50gp (No, not gpt, only 50 gp) He is gracious with us!
Do some WM trading
Hit enter
1 - 1360AD railroad further
IBT - India completes Smith Trading Company in Delhi
Portuguese are building JS Bachs
The Koreans too
2 - 1365AD zzzz
IBT - iron lost
3 - 1370AD make a new iron deal with wang. Iron for 300gp.
Worker continue railroading
Railroading already shows its merits. US is one turn faster, on par with Scientific Method
IBT Hammurabi comes and demand Magsetism. Well, take it. You're far behind anyway.
4 - 1375AD zzzz
5 - 1380AD continue RR
6 - 1385AD zzzz
7 - 1390AD continue RR, science to 50, still in shedule
IBT - pollution on a food square.
8 - 1395AD zzzz
IBT Scientific Methode comes in, i set research toward electronics, tech to 0%
US is build -> hmmm, JS Bachs is still availiable. It adds three times as much culture as hoover.
However it would save us only 3 turns from the nearly 100 we have to go. But getting Bachs and ToE now and Hoover in ~30 turns it would save us ~5 turns in total. And we have some time to build a rifleman each two rounds. And Hoover won't get us much in terms of production since most units we want to build cost 80, and hoover won't give us the additional 38. So i decide to go for Bachs first and then ToE. We loose a turn on research, but this shouldn't be a problem
The people love us, i start a new wing, and some pillars.
9 - 1400AD Gemnius has a brilliant idea how to speed up the build of JSBachs
continue RR
IBT Inca want trade their WM for our WM and Theory of Grav. I trade our WM for their TM
JS Bachs completes. Now ToE is next
10 - 1405AD Empedocles of Acragas has also a genius idea for wonder speedup. Go on, lad!
IBT India wants a MMP and and RoP. I gift him our WM instead.
The ToE comes in, and with it Atomic Theory and Electronics. I set reseach to Rep.Parts with 80% done i 10 turns.
Start building rifleman (At last some defence)
The people love us even more, i add the penthouse
11 - 1410AD continue RR
IBT Korea comes and ask for a MMP and RoP. Here's our WM.
12 - 1415AD zzzz
IBT Aztecs declare war on the Inca
The coal deal with the aztecs runs out
13 - 1420AD We have our first rifleman. Soon we will be able to defend ourself! I order another one.
I buy coal for the next 20 turns for 200gp. Talk about cheap special offers.
Order worker to pick up some litter.
14 - 1425AD zzzz
15 - 1430AD rifleman->rifleman
IBT Korea and Aztecs sign against Inca.
16 - 1435AD zzzz
17 - 1440AD rifleman->rifleman
worker continue RR
science 70%
18 - 1445AD zzzz
IBT Aztecs want a MMP and RoP with us. They seem to be impressed by our 3 rifleman. How about a WM?
Portugal and India signed against Korea. I like this. Keeps them busy And the tech pace low.
19 - 1450AD rifleman->rifleman
continue RR
IBT - The spices deal with india runs out
20 - 1455AD
I buy spices from india for 100gp. We don't need them, but it greatly improves their attidute towards us. Also i think the AI have a quite good reputaion this far and maybe want to keep it this way.
We should have at least one deal with every big one all the time. Keeps them happy and its real cheap.
Science to 60%
Notes for the next one:
We get a rifleman and Rep.Parts next turn. We than have a whopping military of 5 rifleman, 2 knights and a spearman. We should build at least 5 artillery before anything else. I doubt we have rubber inside our territory, and we won't be able to trade for it a long time (hopefully)
We can continue building militay -> guerillas, artillery and some rifleman (for the time we get rubber)
We also can build the Hoover Dam, but it would save us only ~2 turns in total, and the production bonus wont be really significant (we make 45 shields at the moment, need 80 for one turn military units)
Military seems more usefull at this stage of the game. We can support ~160 units with no research (and have time build ~40-50), so money should not be a problem.
I didn't traded any tech. It just wasn't needed.
Should be easy to bring it at home from now on.
The SAVE
@AndrewN: adready done!
Heres the log:
Preturn check:
Universal Suffrage done in 10 turns.
Scientific Method done in 9 turns.
Two SGL sitting ready for action.
Seems like i will build 3 wonders in 20 turns, Thanks Grimjack!
I'am slightly worried by the mood of our neigbour india. I think i will be a little bit generous and gift him our WM and 100gp. Don't hurts us much. We cant build military for the next 12 turns at least.
I also buy spices from him for 50gp (No, not gpt, only 50 gp
) He is gracious with us!Do some WM trading
Hit enter
1 - 1360AD railroad further
IBT - India completes Smith Trading Company in Delhi
Portuguese are building JS Bachs
The Koreans too
2 - 1365AD zzzz
IBT - iron lost
3 - 1370AD make a new iron deal with wang. Iron for 300gp.
Worker continue railroading
Railroading already shows its merits. US is one turn faster, on par with Scientific Method
IBT Hammurabi comes and demand Magsetism. Well, take it. You're far behind anyway.
4 - 1375AD zzzz
5 - 1380AD continue RR
6 - 1385AD zzzz
7 - 1390AD continue RR, science to 50, still in shedule
IBT - pollution on a food square.
8 - 1395AD zzzz
IBT Scientific Methode comes in, i set research toward electronics, tech to 0%
US is build -> hmmm, JS Bachs is still availiable. It adds three times as much culture as hoover.
However it would save us only 3 turns from the nearly 100 we have to go. But getting Bachs and ToE now and Hoover in ~30 turns it would save us ~5 turns in total. And we have some time to build a rifleman each two rounds. And Hoover won't get us much in terms of production since most units we want to build cost 80, and hoover won't give us the additional 38. So i decide to go for Bachs first and then ToE. We loose a turn on research, but this shouldn't be a problem
The people love us, i start a new wing, and some pillars.
9 - 1400AD Gemnius has a brilliant idea how to speed up the build of JSBachs
continue RR
IBT Inca want trade their WM for our WM and Theory of Grav. I trade our WM for their TM
JS Bachs completes. Now ToE is next
10 - 1405AD Empedocles of Acragas has also a genius idea for wonder speedup. Go on, lad!
IBT India wants a MMP and and RoP. I gift him our WM instead.
The ToE comes in, and with it Atomic Theory and Electronics. I set reseach to Rep.Parts with 80% done i 10 turns.
Start building rifleman (At last some defence)
The people love us even more, i add the penthouse
11 - 1410AD continue RR
IBT Korea comes and ask for a MMP and RoP. Here's our WM.
12 - 1415AD zzzz
IBT Aztecs declare war on the Inca
The coal deal with the aztecs runs out
13 - 1420AD We have our first rifleman. Soon we will be able to defend ourself! I order another one.
I buy coal for the next 20 turns for 200gp. Talk about cheap special offers.
Order worker to pick up some litter.
14 - 1425AD zzzz
15 - 1430AD rifleman->rifleman
IBT Korea and Aztecs sign against Inca.
16 - 1435AD zzzz
17 - 1440AD rifleman->rifleman
worker continue RR
science 70%
18 - 1445AD zzzz
IBT Aztecs want a MMP and RoP with us. They seem to be impressed by our 3 rifleman. How about a WM?
Portugal and India signed against Korea. I like this. Keeps them busy
And the tech pace low.19 - 1450AD rifleman->rifleman
continue RR
IBT - The spices deal with india runs out
20 - 1455AD
I buy spices from india for 100gp. We don't need them, but it greatly improves their attidute towards us. Also i think the AI have a quite good reputaion this far and maybe want to keep it this way.
We should have at least one deal with every big one all the time. Keeps them happy and its real cheap.
Science to 60%
Notes for the next one:
We get a rifleman and Rep.Parts next turn. We than have a whopping military of 5 rifleman, 2 knights and a spearman. We should build at least 5 artillery before anything else. I doubt we have rubber inside our territory, and we won't be able to trade for it a long time (hopefully)
We can continue building militay -> guerillas, artillery and some rifleman (for the time we get rubber)
We also can build the Hoover Dam, but it would save us only ~2 turns in total, and the production bonus wont be really significant (we make 45 shields at the moment, need 80 for one turn military units)
Military seems more usefull at this stage of the game. We can support ~160 units with no research (and have time build ~40-50), so money should not be a problem.
I didn't traded any tech. It just wasn't needed.
Should be easy to bring it at home from now on.
The SAVE
Nad
Known Troublemaker
got it, will play straightaway
Nad
Known Troublemaker
SOR01
Played 20 turns, not a whole lot to report as we coast to victory.
Got replacable parts and we have rubber!
Built Hoover Dam. Researched Radio and Corporation. Made various deals when techs became known or to keep the AIs sweet and gracious.
The Inca have been destroyed by the Aztecs. It is 1555AD and we are 66 turns away from victory at the present cultural grwoth rate.
Enjoy!
THE SAVE
Played 20 turns, not a whole lot to report as we coast to victory.
Got replacable parts and we have rubber!
Built Hoover Dam. Researched Radio and Corporation. Made various deals when techs became known or to keep the AIs sweet and gracious.
The Inca have been destroyed by the Aztecs. It is 1555AD and we are 66 turns away from victory at the present cultural grwoth rate.
Enjoy!
THE SAVE
yoshi74
Tourist from Mars
We've got rubber [dance]
Now building some artys and some more inf and we will safely survive even when we declare on everyone (not that i advise this)
I really like the look of our science at the city screen. >500, nearly kicking the left monitor side
Maybe we can irrigate some more for more grow. We could also get to 80 spt. But i doubt we need a unit every turn, unless we try a conquest victory during the next 66 turns
Now building some artys and some more inf and we will safely survive even when we declare on everyone (not that i advise this
) I really like the look of our science at the city screen. >500, nearly kicking the left monitor side
Maybe we can irrigate some more for more grow. We could also get to 80 spt. But i doubt we need a unit every turn, unless we try a conquest victory during the next 66 turns
